Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade

[thebuzzardman]

"Brunson, Deuce, Kolek, too small, can't win with that"
Becky Hammond

[R-DAWG]

Maybe the answer to maxing Randle and Brunson without running into the second apron is to trade Josh hart

I don’t think this happens this year, but I think Hart is one of the few paths you have to a roster balancing trade if you need to add more size or another ball handler.

[R-DAWG]

Maybe the answer to maxing Randle and Brunson without running into the second apron is to trade Josh hart

I’d rather have Hart than max-out Randle

This team needs Randle and his ability to create offense and put up points.

[Chanel Bomber]

Randle is the odd man out if we can't keep this core together.

If he can't play the 5, the team needs him less than the other key "big-contract" players on the team.

I think the FO should be proactive here. We can't lose him for nothing, but we can't risk losing other key players because of his next contract either.

OG, Bridges, Brunson, Hart (relative to his contract size) are more valuable than him. Even Mitch and Divo (relative to their contract size) are more valuable than him with the current roster construction.

[3toheadmelo]

Randle is the odd man out if we can't keep this core together.

If he can't play the 5, the team needs him less than the other key "big-contract" players on the team.

I think the FO should be proactive here. We can't lose him for nothing, but we can't risk losing other key players because of his next contract either.

OG, Bridges, Brunson, Hart (relative to his contract size) are more valuable than him. Even Mitch and Divo (relative to their contract size) are more valuable than him with the current roster construction.

no

[Riot Randolph]

People have a lot of faith in there opinion declaring whose the odd man out of an offense when the ensemble hasn’t played a minute together…Randle is integral, he will be a key cog this season…he brings physical intimidation and toughness

[F N 11]

I had my history with Randle but even though the team is tough, a lot of stuff will not be flying in the playoffs if Randle was there and he provides that downhill aspect we need. He will be better with better players imo. This is what he wants I think not to carry. He can buy into getting assist again we got snipers.

Plus he worked himself through all the noise to becoming a better player. Last year Randle was Prime I want to win a chip Randle. Get him in good spirits coming off this can be good. Body should be fresh.

[3toheadmelo]

knicks were 11-1 with og randle brunson and nasty folks want to break that up already. wow

[KnicksGadfly]

I had my history with Randle but even though the team is tough, a lot of stuff will not be flying in the playoffs if Randle was there and he provides that downhill aspect we need. He will be better with better players imo. This is what he wants I think not to carry. He can buy into getting assist again we got snipers.

Plus he worked himself through all the noise to becoming a better player. Last year Randle was Prime I want to win a chip Randle. Get him in good spirits coming off this can be good. Body should be fresh.

Prime Randle, win a chip Randle only showed up in the bubble. That was the one and only time where he was locked in to a championship degree. He had the defense, he had the shot. Didn’t have the team. Basically a contract year for him back then so maybe we’ll see him again.

Randle has given us five years of data. I think chances are that he stays so we should be developing contingencies. If he stays, strengthening the bench so we can bench him in case. I feel his support system is as good as he’s ever gonna get. You can make the case that he needs a stretch 5, but if he’s the type of player who needs 2 all NBA wing defenders and a unicorn stretch 5 who can cover his defensive deficiencies, I’m looking for him to take a pay cut or he's gotta be that type of superstar.

If he goes, being ready to find replacements. The small sample size from last season…eh. At least we didn’t get our third or fourth eat crow thread?

[R-DAWG]

Randle is the odd man out if we can't keep this core together.

If he can't play the 5, the team needs him less than the other key "big-contract" players on the team.

I think the FO should be proactive here. We can't lose him for nothing, but we can't risk losing other key players because of his next contract either.

OG, Bridges, Brunson, Hart (relative to his contract size) are more valuable than him. Even Mitch and Divo (relative to their contract size) are more valuable than him with the current roster construction.

If we are being honest - either OG or Hart is going to be the odd man out in 2 years when the Bridges contract rolls.

Randle might not be the long term solution (which creates issues since the assets left to upgrade from him are between limited and non existent) but this team will hit its apex if Bridges is the #3

So I think deadline conversations will be Randle + Hart or OG + Randle to grab a 1A type.

[Juco24]

knicks were 11-1 with og randle brunson and nasty folks want to break that up already. wow

I think people forget that Randle made Bullock look fairly decent with the kickouts. Now imagine Mikal in that role, who's also a cutter.

Speaking of which - Randle took Eldrid-19, Bullock, RJ and Mitch to the playoffs. Now he's willingly taken a backseat to Brunson and the Knicks have made TREMENDOUS upgrades. Besides that, Randle gets along great with the guys (see the Roommates podcast) and played previously with Josh. Why anyone would want to discard this:

3× NBA All-Star (2021, 2023, 2024)
All-NBA Second Team (2021)
All-NBA Third Team (2023)
NBA Most Improved Player (2021)

Is beyond my comprehension

[3toheadmelo]

knicks were 11-1 with og randle brunson and nasty folks want to break that up already. wow

I think people forget that Randle made Bullock look fairly decent with the kickouts. Now imagine Mikal in that role, who's also a cutter.

Speaking of which - Randle took Eldrid-19, Bullock, RJ and Mitch to the playoffs. Now he's willingly taken a backseat to Brunson and the Knicks have made TREMENDOUS upgrades. Besides that, Randle gets along great with the guys (see the Roommates podcast) and played previously with Josh. Why anyone would want to discard this:

3× NBA All-Star (2021, 2023, 2024)
All-NBA Second Team (2021)
All-NBA Third Team (2023)
NBA Most Improved Player (2021)

Is beyond my comprehension

and randle also wants to win a chip here more than anyone on this team. dude made the knicks relevant again which rarely his critics acknowledge.

i dont really understand the hate for him. the timing of cutting ties with him right now makes no sense either since we saw how dominant we were when he played with og and brunson. that 11-1 stretch was the best basketball ive seen by the knicks since 2013. and now we get to bench donte for mikal. this is the perfect fit for randle. like we're arguably the best team in the league now and now people want to get rid of randle because they hate him. some of these guys are the same people that wanted to trade randle for batum. the hate is so strong they dont even care if getting rid of randle for trash like batum makes the team worse. they just want him gone.

[Moose]

Why are we talking about breaking up a team that we just built?

In order to give this a proper run, we're going to be at the second apron. Along with most other competitive teams trying to win a title. We may even get the multi-year penalty.

We can add some / change some pieces along the way, like perhaps Kessler, but we should accept that this is the core for next next handful of seasons.

[N Y K]

All this talk about losing McBride depresses me, but not as much as going into the season without more depth behind Mitch and Randle. The idea of Mitch and (to a lesser degree) OG being out for any significant amount of time gives me heartburn.

Got to get Precious and trade for Richards or Kessler.

[ezmoney707]

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This is very Green Satan of me posting this but yeah here you go

[dukeknicksirish]

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Honestly, I like this Better than them getting DFS.

Brunson can guard Martin or Eric Gordon on defense. That Miami shooting magic doesn’t translate to other teams

Miami however… May be time to blow it up soon Pat

[aggo]

actually, looking at the 25-26 cap space, we might actually be able to max both brunson and randle without hitting the second apron

[WaltFrazier]

People have a lot of faith in there opinion declaring whose the odd man out of an offense when the ensemble hasn’t played a minute together…Randle is integral, he will be a key cog this season…he brings physical intimidation and toughness

And scoring. It's an offensive league, gotta have guys who can score and create their own. The team has lots of defensive role players but needs Randle as a #2 option with Brunson. Unless you trade Randle for another scorer.

[knicksstuff]

Paul Reed just got waived .. maybe that’s our backup center answer

[omerome]

Paul Reed just got waived .. maybe that’s our backup center answer

He's trash though.