Around the nba part 6

[TheBigBoss]

I want Boston, mostly because I think beating Boston would give the team the confidence to spark a run through the playoffs. Kind of like in 99, after beating the Heat, it gave the team a swagger that carried them all the way to the Finals. I don't see beating Milwaukee or Atlanta doing that. I think this team finally getting past Boston would be exactly what they need to accomplish our goal of winning a championship.

[Rasho Brezec]

Boston is not getting ahead of Atlanta with Garnett out, they're 4-6 in their last 10 games and Atlanta is 6-4. If JJ Redick gets his head out of his ass and Larry Sanders can find a way not to get ejected, they might catch up with Boston. They have a harder schedule remaining, though.

[Leaguepass]

I want Boston---I take a 4-3 win against Boston over a 4-0 or 4-1 against Milwaukee any day of the week. I can only shake my head at people not grasping what a great chance this is at getting payback vs. the team that would constantly beat the **** out of us and hold garden party after garden party.

The only team I'm vary of in the first round would be Chicago---not only due to some obvious matchup issues, I'd also want them to take down Brooklyn and then play a tough,physical series against Miami.
I get almost zero satisfaction out of beating Milwaukee or Atlanta.


If a team wants to truly grow, to truly get closer together and get to that next level, to truly gain confidence and take a giant leap towards a title it is best to face one of your biggest demons of the past , face it, fight it and go through it....instead of trying to avoid it.

[j4remi]

Boston is not getting ahead of Atlanta with Garnett out, they're 4-6 in their last 10 games and Atlanta is 6-4. If JJ Redick gets his head out of his ass and Larry Sanders can find a way not to get ejected, they might catch up with Boston. They have a harder schedule remaining, though.

I took a look...Milwaukee has 5 games against playoff teams out of 10...Boston has 3 out of 9 against playoff teams. Advantage Boston. It's also 5 road games for Milwaukee versus 4 for Boston.

Not looking great. That said, I think Boston is a 5 game series tbh. KG has to come back and be Herculean for that team to compete with us.

[K_ick_God]

Bucks would be easier than Celtics for sure. There are some matchup issues there too though. And BJ at MSG could get dicey.

[Rasho Brezec]

No, I genuinely want Marbury 2.0 to be destroyed by a team he trash talked when we didn't want to draft his scrubiness.

It's not his fault that we should have taken him. I mean, at the very least, he'd be something of a trade chip. That's better than what we ended up with.

BJ is erratic, I get it. People want black & white arguments. Meaning if I say I like BJ's talent and upside, it means I a) endorse all the things he does and b) think he's perfect? No. The truth is always more gray. Of all the guys who have shown flashes but are not there yet, he'd be high on my list of prospects. That's all.

Do you think Dragic has arrived as a great player? No, but you like him and his talent, etc.

I'll take Jordan Hill 10 times out of 10. D'Antoni hates undersized SG's with bad temper and it'd just be a disaster waiting to happen.


But he doesn't have that perceived talent or upside after 4 years. It might have been there once, but after 4 years, it's just hype. The only thing he improved in that time are his efficiency numbers, and yet he still shots below 40% FG which is absolutely dreadful. His numbers bottomed in his 2nd year and it took him three seasons to get back to his rookie numbers.

[K_ick_God]

No, I genuinely want Marbury 2.0 to be destroyed by a team he trash talked when we didn't want to draft his scrubiness.

It's not his fault that we should have taken him. I mean, at the very least, he'd be something of a trade chip. That's better than what we ended up with.

BJ is erratic, I get it. People want black & white arguments. Meaning if I say I like BJ's talent and upside, it means I a) endorse all the things he does and b) think he's perfect? No. The truth is always more gray. Of all the guys who have shown flashes but are not there yet, he'd be high on my list of prospects. That's all.

Do you think Dragic has arrived as a great player? No, but you like him and his talent, etc.

I'll take Jordan Hill 10 times out of 10. D'Antoni hates undersized SG's with bad temper and it'd just be a disaster waiting to happen.


But he doesn't have that perceived talent or upside after 4 years. It might have been there once, but after 4 years, it's just hype. The only thing he improved in that time are his efficiency numbers, and yet he still shots below 40% FG which is absolutely dreadful. His numbers bottomed in his 2nd year and it took him three seasons to get back to his rookie numbers.

It's just not that clearcut though, because he's shooting a very good percentage from 3.

17.6, 6.8, 3.1 on 0.373 3FG ... is not a bad player. 0.395 is a bad overall FG%. It's his weakness and it's a big one. But you keep portraying him as a flop.

18, 7 and in the playoffs as your team's best player ... is a mixed bag at worst. And on the side of good. There was a legit reason he was reasonably considered for the All-Star Game.

Give Felton that job in Milwaukee and he and they don't do as well, plain and simple. Same as Goran.

Milwaukee really isn't that good. Ellis has been crap. They have some decent pieces. He's the guy there.

[GONYK]

It's just not that clearcut though, because he's shooting a very good percentage from 3.

17.6, 6.8, 3.1 on 0.373 3FG ... is not a bad player. 0.395 is a bad overall FG%. It's his weakness and it's a big one. But you keep portraying him as a flop.

18, 7 and in the playoffs as your team's best player ... is a mixed bag.

Give Felton that job in Milwaukee and they're not as good, plain and simple. Same as Goran.

Milwaukee really isn't that good. Ellis has been crap. They have some decent pieces. He's the guy there.

Don't tell him that...

[K_ick_God]

It's just not that clearcut though, because he's shooting a very good percentage from 3.

17.6, 6.8, 3.1 on 0.373 3FG ... is not a bad player. 0.395 is a bad overall FG%. It's his weakness and it's a big one. But you keep portraying him as a flop.

18, 7 and in the playoffs as your team's best player ... is a mixed bag.

Give Felton that job in Milwaukee and they're not as good, plain and simple. Same as Goran.

Milwaukee really isn't that good. Ellis has been crap. They have some decent pieces. He's the guy there.

Don't tell him that...

I mean, I'm saying something that I don't think is too controversial. Brandon is the best player in Milwaukee. Like it or not, good or bad, he is their best player and they're a mediocre team but that's better than bad right.

[Rasho Brezec]

Monta Ellis is undoubtedly their best player. That's not something any fan of their team would want to hear, but that's just how it is. They suck and their FO makes sure of that every season.

[K_ick_God]

Monta Ellis is undoubtedly their best player. That's not something any fan of their team would want to hear, but that's just how it is. They suck and their FO makes sure of that every season.

Eh it's close I guess. Didn't realize Monta has 19 PPG. Monta has taken a step back this year, poor %'s all around. He's worse but still putting points and assists on the board. I guess this one is closer than I originally thought.

You're still being extreme. It's not "undoubtedly." They're 1A and 1B.

[Rasho Brezec]

They should just trade Ellis, Gooden and Sanders to Hornets for Gordon and Lopez in the offseason. It makes sense for both teams.

Then, have Marbury 2.0 pick up the QO and ship him to the Raps for Lowry. Apparently, he's friends with some Toronto celebrities or something.

[Knicks_Fan2]

Monta Ellis is undoubtedly their best player. That's not something any fan of their team would want to hear, but that's just how it is. They suck and their FO makes sure of that every season.

Eh it's close I guess. Didn't realize Monta has 19 PPG. Monta has taken a step back this year, poor %'s all around. He's worse but still putting points and assists on the board. I guess this one is closer than I originally thought.

You're still being extreme. It's not "undoubtedly." They're 1A and 1B.

Recency bias definitely supports Monta though--as does Brandon being a God awful shooter--as Monta has been unreal the last month or two of the season.

[Bruteque]

Leaders on the worst teams:

Cleveland: Kyrie Irving 23 PPG, Dion Waiters 14.7 PPG (Sideshow Bob 14.1 PPG)
Charlotte: Kemba Walker 18.7 PPG, Gerald Henderson 15.2 PPG (Ramon Sessions 14.4 PPG)
Minnesota: Kevin Love 18.3 PPG, Nikola Pekovic 15.8 PPG
New Orleans: Eric Gordon 16.8 PPG, Ryan Anderson 16.5 PPG
Orlando: Aaron Afflalo 16.5 PPG, Tobias Harris 16.3 PPG
Detroit: Greg Monroe 15.7 PPG (Brandon Knight 13.5 PPG)
Phoenix: Dragic 14.5 PPG

Dragic dead last. And worse than ALL BUT ONE of the bad teams' SECOND-best scorer.

Have a good rest of the weekend guys.

Phoenix Suns are absolute without a doubt the least talented team in the entire NBA by far. I'm not surprised Dragic is the lowest leading scorer on a team considering how hard it has to be for him to score with such a sorry excuse for teammates. The Suns' roster is flat out disgusting.

I remember PHO's starting lineup last year: Gortat, Frye, Jared Dudley, and Shannon Brown. That was a .500 team with a PG who knew how to run a team. This year, Gortat - still there, Dudley - still there, Brown - still there, Frye - lost to an enlarged heart but they add Scola/Beasley. PHO is now competing for the worst record in the NBA. Players just have a way of looking like talentless hacks playing next to Dragic.

The thing about Dragic, he was putting up excellent box scores starting for HOU, too, but he had a losing record there, and led HOU from the 7th spot to a still much lamented epic late season collapse straight out of the playoffs after Lowry sat out some games with a bacterial infection. The funny thing is, Scola started to look like dogpoo in HOU right after Dragic took over, and now Scola is in PHO playing next to Dragic again. LOL.

[Dr. Detfink]

Monta Ellis is the BEST starter in garbage time. That being, when the team is losing...he'll chuck to make his quota.

Last night, you see when Detroit puts Monroe and Drummond together...VERY hard to get inside on those monsters. Knight still doesn't look 100% but Detroit is inching its way back to being a contender.

[Rasho Brezec]

The thing about Dragic, he was putting up excellent box scores starting for HOU, too, but he had a losing record there, and led HOU from the 7th spot to a still much lamented epic late season collapse straight out of the playoffs after Lowry sat out some games with a bacterial infection.

I saw this nonsense passed around last year, too. Lowry had Dragic to back him up, Dragic had Courtney Fortson, Jonny Flynn, and Earl Boykins. How is that a fair comparison?

As for Phoenix, they went from a stretch PF who is not a complete stiff to a post up PF who can barely jump. They also replaced Grant Hill with Michael Beasley. I don't think it's Dragic's fault that Gortat is soft as a marshmallow when he's not completely spoonfeed a wide open dunk or that Shannon Brown is not in his contract year anymore. He's no Steve Nash, but neither are 85% of the PG's in the NBA.

[spaceballer]

They should just trade Ellis, Gooden and Sanders to Hornets for Gordon and Lopez in the offseason. It makes sense for both teams.

Then, have Marbury 2.0 pick up the QO and ship him to the Raps for Lowry. Apparently, he's friends with some Toronto celebrities or something.

Teams are not allowed to trade a player who signs a 1 yr contract (such as a QO) without that player's permission. Those players can veto any trade.

[Rasho Brezec]

That's why sending him to Toronto where he has his buddies makes sense.

[spaceballer]

That's why sending him to Toronto where he has his buddies makes sense.

He's not going to compromise his career prospects for the sake of some celebrity friends in Toronto. Player's don't pick up QO's unless it's above what they can get in the free market. Given a choice, they will always look for longer term deals, even if it's slightly less money per year, because it ends up being more money in total when you add up the years. Also, because it offers job security in the event that they become injured and need time to rehab or have to retire altogether. Look at Tyson Chandler and the 1yr Dallas offer he turned down. He's not going to pick up a 1yr QO and endanger his career's future (injury risks, etc.) just because he has celebrity friends in Toronto.

Also, if he picks up a QO, he can't be traded till December or January anyway, since teams are required to hold onto newly signed (or re-signed) free agents for a while before trading them. Why would the team (and Toronto as well) waste time spinning their wheels with a lame-duck PG just so they can make the exchange sometime later in the season? Losing the benefits of training camp, team chemistry building, fine-tuning rotations, etc. Have they and Toronto both decided to tank next season away already?

[Rasho Brezec]

Brandon Jennings intends to leave the Milwaukee Bucks if he is unable to come to terms with the franchise on a long-term deal this summer as a restricted free agency.

"If I take the qualifying offer and become an [unrestricted] free agent there is no way I am coming back," Jennings told Yahoo! Sports on Friday after practice. "There is no way."

Jennings turned down a four-year, $40 million offer before the season.

Jennings would make $4.5 million if he plays the 13-14 NBA season under the qualifying offer.

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