2018/2019 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.)

[Kampuchea]

Who the **** is ScoopB and why would we care what crap he threw in the trade machine? “Sources”

Wanna up your followers? Make up some **** about the Knicks!

[3toheadmelo]

Bumping this for the misinformed

it's obvious to me a lot of people here do not watch mavs games. so i am just going to leave this here. this is what a Mavs board Mod quoted me on the GB. he basically says what i have been saying about DSJ this whole season.

Don't give up on him. He is far far better than twitter world portrays him. I've always got a kick out of you defending him so much vs those who preferred Frank "better fit".

Improved his defense after that debacle vs the Knicks. Has steadily improved his 3 point shooting. It sucks that he has missed many games this year with some injuries.

Never showed signs of being bothered by a phenomenon hitting Dallas this year and actually looked like he deferred to him plenty with no issue. Still, I imagine that perhaps his camp believe he can be featured more elsewhere perhaps. It won't be easy in Dallas --- he will always be the easy scapegoat. The guy subject to the cheap stereotypes, I have read "cancer", "attitude" thrown up... when there has never been any signs of issues with him. It's actually hilarious how much he is thrown under the bus. For the bad play at the end of the NO game, there is this...

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

Won the game.

Or this...

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

And the game winner vs Rose/Wolves

I know individual plays can make anyone look good, but here's a perfect example of a low iq, ball hog...

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

Plenty more here that may dispel certain stereotypes

He is hesitant. Holds the ball up at times. All true. And there is no doubt that Luka needs the ball in his hands and team will and will always be better with him running things. But he has flashed potential in various areas and makes various plays that reveal passing ability, vision and instincts. No reason to simply give up into moulding him and hope he gets more consistent. Even if it fails, it likely will be better than hypothetically giving him away for cheap now.

While a defensive minded guard is seen as best next to Luka, you don't really want Luka to be James Harden for the Mavs, he'd be gassed all the time. Just manage rotations differently, have one of them on the floor at all times and see what you have in DSJ. The Mavs have not really done that yet this year. With Barea going down, it seemed like the perfect opportunity to actually do it.

Not knowing if it's the team wanting to trade or if it's the player wanting a change of scenery makes it difficult to have an opinion. And of course, every player is available, depends on the return. Now, from a generic perspective, DSJ should not be sold off as a "failed pick".

The one thing that intrigues me is how much misinformation there has been around this guy all year. And for a team that has always been deprived of young talent, feels odd that their 9th pick gets this kind of treatment - the subject of trade rumours and ideas all year, no matter what he did on the court.

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[Jeff Van Gully]

aaaand merged.

[thebuzzardman]

Is there anyway the Knicks could trade Frank, maybe with CLee, and keep Mudiay and THJr?

I mean, those are "Fiz" kind of players, and DSJr would give him another.

Throw in Mitch too. And Dotson.

It's time to go all in on players that fit with the coach.

Clearing out Dot would open up some more playing time for Burke and Mario.

Was this meant to be in green font?


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It started that way.

But Fiz doesn't really value defense and really enjoys players that take it one v one.

Knicks should get players that match the coach's style of play.

So, not really kidding. Only a little. Wish I was kidding.

Of course, not all those guys need to be moved for Matthews and DSJr. They can organize some other trades to move Dot and Mitch.

[thebuzzardman]

There are other Mavs forums with more discussion going on.

Mavs fan dont want to trade DSJ. The argument I see the most is DSJ is actually playing and producing while Frank can't produce on a 10 win team.

Well, they are getting the superior THJr in the trade, so that should even it out

THJ is an upgrade over Matthews.

Yup. THJr > Matthews, DSJr > Frank. Even trade. They take on $ and years. Knicks might have to throw them a 2nd rounder.

Or they could put Dotson in the trade; not sure if that throws the #'s off.

[WargamesX]

If for whatever reason Kyrie leaves Boston (if Boston underperforms in the playoffs), is there a better roster for Kyrie to go to besides the Knicks?

Starters
Kyrie
Timmy
Knox
KP
Mitch

Bench
Frank
Dotson
Kornet
Trier
1st round pick.

That's a starting unit full of scorers and a defensive big that he can pass to along with a bench with contributors on each side of the ball.

Also, Kyrie is young enough to let the team develop a bit if needed, and he would automatically be the man when he got here. Boston's players seems hesitant to give him the full reins because of how well they did without him last year.

Anyhow, I am not saying he would come here..... but we should all be rooting for Boston to have a bad season more than we normally would due to them being Boston.

[iLovethosedamnknicks]

1st trade: timmy and frank for dsj and wes
2nd trade: lance and kanter for zbo kosta kufus and mclemore
3rd trade: lee and dotson for alec burks


offseason draft zion

sign kyrie and jimmy butler

kyrie dsj
jimmy trier
knox
zion vonleh
kp mitch kornet

[ny-n-md]

We have excitement over mediocre play from Mudiay. At least DSJ is an exciting young player who hasn’t really scratched the surface of his potential. He has plenty of time to get better and be developed into the type of PG Fiz likes. He’s just as young as Frank and is only in his 2nd year. Is he that polarizing?

[Clyde_Style]

tell me about it...I would have never stretched Noah- just waived him...And would just wait it out- sign KP- dump hardaway,
Lee and go after the greek freak...

Yeah, and it should be said Perry is still cleaning up past mistakes including those of Mills. Much as I have turned on Fiz (who probably will still be a lousy play calling coach even with a strong team), much of this season is transitioning from the past into the present. Now that the trades for the crappy vets happen (or don't), it should be greenlit to play the youngest ones the rest of this season. IOW, this season was going to be messy no matter what. It really is a process year if there ever was one for the Knicks. Some guys just want instant pudding though; KD jumping out of their birthday cakes and somehow that will = voila! a ring appears! Nah

Would you give up Frank just to get rid of Tim for an expiring contract and a second round pick?

No, because I think Frank is going to be a glue guy you need to win, but if the club is going to keep playing Mudiay or goes back to playing Burke and icing out Frank, then I'd like to see Frank get a shot with a club that actually has a clue

[ny-n-md]

I wish we could trade Mudiay for DSJ. He’s a Texas native too.

[FemaleDogPlease]

Yeah, and it should be said Perry is still cleaning up past mistakes including those of Mills. Much as I have turned on Fiz (who probably will still be a lousy play calling coach even with a strong team), much of this season is transitioning from the past into the present. Now that the trades for the crappy vets happen (or don't), it should be greenlit to play the youngest ones the rest of this season. IOW, this season was going to be messy no matter what. It really is a process year if there ever was one for the Knicks. Some guys just want instant pudding though; KD jumping out of their birthday cakes and somehow that will = voila! a ring appears! Nah

Would you give up Frank just to get rid of Tim for an expiring contract and a second round pick?

No, because I think Frank is going to be a glue guy you need to win, but if the club is going to keep playing Mudiay or goes back to playing Burke and icing out Frank, then I'd like to see Frank get a shot with a club that actually has a clue

What if Frank turns out to be a bum?

This is what a rebuild looks like. Cycling through guys until you find guys you can build around.

[thebuzzardman]

If Mudiay is the kind of PG Fizzle/the FO values, they might as well get DSJr to pair with him.

At which point, I won't lie, I'll be rooting for KP to take a 1 year option so he can be an UFA, and he joins Frank, so I can see the KP, Donic & Frank team I always wanted to see.

Might change my username to thebuzzardman_TKF and everything

[Newyorknick94]

Not only is Dsj a poor fit/ poor defender he’s also torn his acl what twice? Three times?

[FemaleDogPlease]

Not only is Dsj a poor fit/ poor defender he’s also torn his acl what twice? Three times?

DSJ is a poor fit for what? The entire Knicks roster is in flux. KP is coming back from a acl injury and I dont see Perry being stupid enough to offer a max deal to a 7 footer coming off acl surgery. We really dont know how things will play out.

[Knicksfan1992]

Not only is Dsj a poor fit/ poor defender he’s also torn his acl what twice? Three times?

He only tore it once and he actually had an extra acl in his knee so his recovery was way smoother than a normal ACL tear since they didn't need to have to put part of another muscle in it's place...

Now can we please stop with spreading misinformation about DSJ.... I won't go into the fit issue or defense that you described because I don't have the energy today, but god damn some of you guys just run with strereotypes of players without having watched them play significantly or looked at the numbers at all.

[thebuzzardman]

Damn, why didn't KP get a backup ACL too? Hell, he looks so tall and injury prone they should have put in 2 backups in there, so he has 3 ACL's total.

Knicks medical staff always behind the curve.

[Clyde_Style]

Would you give up Frank just to get rid of Tim for an expiring contract and a second round pick?

No, because I think Frank is going to be a glue guy you need to win, but if the club is going to keep playing Mudiay or goes back to playing Burke and icing out Frank, then I'd like to see Frank get a shot with a club that actually has a clue

What if Frank turns out to be a bum?

This is what a rebuild looks like. Cycling through guys until you find guys you can build around.

This ball club has had incompetent coaches. If this were a competent club, you would be able to answer that question conclusively by the end of Frank's 2nd season, but we won't be able to because Jeff dicked him around like an idiot and Fizchump started the season declaring he was a forward. So, no, this is not a fully competent rebuild. The only one I think who has a clue is Perry and even then we don't fully know how much of Fizdale's rotations are dictated by the front office.

In sum, this club gets a stone cold F grade for how they've handled Frank.

[blueNorange]

DSJ has his issues, but he can still be a really good player. The talent is there.

Compared to Frank? They are totally different players so it’s hard to compare. I wouldn’t be surprised if either one ends up better in the end. Frank is further away at this point. DSJ still has upside though.

The Wes for Timmy part? That is a landslide and the tipping point.

knicks need a pg, not another undersized combo guard.

[br7knicks]

Frank is a much more selfless and team oriented player. He also plays great defense. He's only 20 and he's still developing and learning the NBA game. Frank will eventually blossom. You certainly don't give him up for Derrick Rose, Jr.

Someone else gets it.

Frank has been benched multiple times this year due to his play.

If you can take him and move Timmy, you do it.
His defense has been mediocre at best this year.

Almost everyone has been dog housed at some point, except Timmy - for some weird ass reason.

I see his defense as prett good (not great) but he's not as smart as I thought. He gets into foul trouble too quickly and easily

[blueNorange]

Bumping this for the misinformed

it's obvious to me a lot of people here do not watch mavs games. so i am just going to leave this here. this is what a Mavs board Mod quoted me on the GB. he basically says what i have been saying about DSJ this whole season.

Don't give up on him. He is far far better than twitter world portrays him. I've always got a kick out of you defending him so much vs those who preferred Frank "better fit".

Improved his defense after that debacle vs the Knicks. Has steadily improved his 3 point shooting. It sucks that he has missed many games this year with some injuries.

Never showed signs of being bothered by a phenomenon hitting Dallas this year and actually looked like he deferred to him plenty with no issue. Still, I imagine that perhaps his camp believe he can be featured more elsewhere perhaps. It won't be easy in Dallas --- he will always be the easy scapegoat. The guy subject to the cheap stereotypes, I have read "cancer", "attitude" thrown up... when there has never been any signs of issues with him. It's actually hilarious how much he is thrown under the bus. For the bad play at the end of the NO game, there is this...

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

Won the game.

Or this...

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

And the game winner vs Rose/Wolves

I know individual plays can make anyone look good, but here's a perfect example of a low iq, ball hog...

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

Plenty more here that may dispel certain stereotypes

He is hesitant. Holds the ball up at times. All true. And there is no doubt that Luka needs the ball in his hands and team will and will always be better with him running things. But he has flashed potential in various areas and makes various plays that reveal passing ability, vision and instincts. No reason to simply give up into moulding him and hope he gets more consistent. Even if it fails, it likely will be better than hypothetically giving him away for cheap now.

While a defensive minded guard is seen as best next to Luka, you don't really want Luka to be James Harden for the Mavs, he'd be gassed all the time. Just manage rotations differently, have one of them on the floor at all times and see what you have in DSJ. The Mavs have not really done that yet this year. With Barea going down, it seemed like the perfect opportunity to actually do it.

Not knowing if it's the team wanting to trade or if it's the player wanting a change of scenery makes it difficult to have an opinion. And of course, every player is available, depends on the return. Now, from a generic perspective, DSJ should not be sold off as a "failed pick".

The one thing that intrigues me is how much misinformation there has been around this guy all year. And for a team that has always been deprived of young talent, feels odd that their 9th pick gets this kind of treatment - the subject of trade rumours and ideas all year, no matter what he did on the court.

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you can keep bumping this, it means nothing.

he quit in college and he quit in his 2nd season of the nba.