Official Frank Ntilikina Thread

[jvsimonetti0514]

For those touting Frank’s 6 assists and paint play. I watched the game and came away unconvinced the paint play would translate against NBA competition.

Totally a fair take, it was just refreshing to see him be less hesitant on offense. He at least tried to get to the rim, unlike how he really performed last year in Summer league. Turkey doesn't have a lot of NBA talent but they do have two NBA players on the roster, Osman and that kid that was drafted by the 76ers. That's usually more talent than most summer league teams have. I don't really remember how much they guarded him though.

[Nazrmohamed]

lol Dennis Smith gonna kill him in training camp

He sure would but maybe from the standpoint that you want what Dennis can do and that's what he'll do. And Frank will do what Frank does and it wont be what they want.

You dont think Frank has already put the clamps on every player under 6'8 on that roster? So idk that anybody is gonna show up and embarrass him, in fact I think it might be the other way around where you got a scorer who either cant score or scores highly inefficiantly. It just wont matter cause FO already knows he can do this. The ONLY way for Frank to be valued is to score. That's always been my issue but as I said few pages back or implied......FRANK knows this. Just do what your boss wants cause what you do well apparently dont matter. So if you dont then you did not have the will or the skill and either is punishable by doghouse.

[GONYK]

For those touting Frank’s 6 assists and paint play. I watched the game and came away unconvinced the paint play would translate against NBA competition.

Wether the paint play translates against NBA competition is a different issue from the increase in aggression level that Frank displayed.

[Nazrmohamed]

And that's what it is for me. It's more annoyance because I believe he could do it but he sabotaging himself with these 3 shot efforts. Knox will come in and shoot 38%,same as Frank. And people are aware of his poor shooting but notice people dont say he cant score. Why is that? Because he attempts shots. And I'm not saying I enjoy it but for F sakes. People are literally begging Frank to score. How the F are you gonna score shotting 3 shots. Youd have to shoot 100% and have them be all 3s to get a measly 9pts on three damn shots. Hes supposed to be smart, use your Fing brain.

SHOOT THE DAMN BASKETBALL.

From now on dont even tell me the result. Just tell me how many shots he attempted and I'll know if hes made progress.

you'll have to wait for NBA action for this part. because that's not even the outlook for this FIBA competition. i don't think anyone uses shots attempted as a quality metric in this case.

Ok I know Gully. Actually I'm not really aware of European or FIBA basketball in terms of strategy. And in reality it's not a quality metric in the NBA unless we're talking about the inefficiencies of volume shooter. That's just my homework assignment for him and what I wanna see going forward. For him and him alone you gotta pull this kids teeth to make attempts. You saw thestat line. He took 3 shots, missed all 3 and scored his 2pts at the foul line. Again, what was his best case scenario , 11points? Other way to look at it is I've seen players miss thier first three shots all the time. Great players. So you just stop?

So yeah you focus on the percentage but he'll never shoot himself out of a bad percentage and him doing so is actually a sign of progress for me. To be self aware that quitting on yourself ain't helping yourself.

[Fat Kat]

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For those touting Frank’s 6 assists and paint play. I watched the game and came away unconvinced the paint play would translate against NBA competition.

Wether the paint play translates against NBA competition is a different issue from the increase in aggression level that Frank displayed.

Fair enough.

But I want to see an increased shot volume going forward. The 6 assists are something we know Frank wants to do. He's always deferred and been a willing passer. The growth factor has to show itself in willingness to embrace taking shots. Show a change in that mentality and most of us will be happy with his development at this stage.

Then the next stage would be actually hitting the outside shot at a decent clip, and appearing to get into the paint in a capacity that manifests the skill work to make him effective against NBA competition.

But for starters, most of us will settle for an improved handle and no hesitation with looking for his own scoring opportunities.

[GONYK]

For those touting Frank’s 6 assists and paint play. I watched the game and came away unconvinced the paint play would translate against NBA competition.

Wether the paint play translates against NBA competition is a different issue from the increase in aggression level that Frank displayed.

Fair enough.

But I want to see an increased shot volume going forward. The 6 assists are something we know Frank wants to do. He's always deferred and been a willing passer. The growth factor has to show itself in willingness embrace taking shots. Show a change in that mentality and most of us will be happy with his development at this stage.

Then the next stage would be actually hitting the outside shot at a decent clip, and appearing to get into the paint in capacity that manifests the skill work to make him effective against NBA competition.

But for starters, most of us will settle for an improved handle and no hesitation with looking for his own scoring opportunities.

No argument here

[BBALLER4FR]

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[nonsensical]

You quoted me about my avatar asking me to elaborate on my avatar in response to my thoughts on Frank. It would be interesting to find out why you chose to jump subjects as a response.

[matchman]

After quite a few struggles in the ticketing website I finally manage to buy a ticket to watch France vs Dominican Republic at 2030, Sept 5th (Asia time zone). So a chance to watch him play up close.

Any news on whether KAT will play for Dominican Republic yet?

[DrCoach]

Frank had a 6.5 PER the past two seasons

Andre Robinson avgs about 10

Frank is really young, he needs to step up productivity or he needs to be traded.

I love his 3 &D potential

No reason he can’t have a ceiling as a OLDER Iguodala

[MaseInYourFace]

lol Dennis Smith gonna kill him in training camp

He sure would but maybe from the standpoint that you want what Dennis can do and that's what he'll do. And Frank will do what Frank does and it wont be what they want.

You dont think Frank has already put the clamps on every player under 6'8 on that roster? So idk that anybody is gonna show up and embarrass him, in fact I think it might be the other way around where you got a scorer who either cant score or scores highly inefficiantly. It just wont matter cause FO already knows he can do this. The ONLY way for Frank to be valued is to score. That's always been my issue but as I said few pages back or implied......FRANK knows this. Just do what your boss wants cause what you do well apparently dont matter. So if you dont then you did not have the will or the skill and either is punishable by doghouse.

I think you are exaggerating this point a bit. As a guard in current nba there is a floor you should be able to reach offensively. The way league is set up now it is very friendly towards guard oriented offense. No team is going to tolerate a guard playing heavy rotation minutes if they can’t at least hold it down a little offensively. It’s not just the knicks dictating that.

[Fat Kat]

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[Deeeez Knicks]

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Great stuff from Spencer per usual

[Jeff Van Gully]

And that's what it is for me. It's more annoyance because I believe he could do it but he sabotaging himself with these 3 shot efforts. Knox will come in and shoot 38%,same as Frank. And people are aware of his poor shooting but notice people dont say he cant score. Why is that? Because he attempts shots. And I'm not saying I enjoy it but for F sakes. People are literally begging Frank to score. How the F are you gonna score shotting 3 shots. Youd have to shoot 100% and have them be all 3s to get a measly 9pts on three damn shots. Hes supposed to be smart, use your Fing brain.

SHOOT THE DAMN BASKETBALL.

From now on dont even tell me the result. Just tell me how many shots he attempted and I'll know if hes made progress.

you'll have to wait for NBA action for this part. because that's not even the outlook for this FIBA competition. i don't think anyone uses shots attempted as a quality metric in this case.

Ok I know Gully. Actually I'm not really aware of European or FIBA basketball in terms of strategy. And in reality it's not a quality metric in the NBA unless we're talking about the inefficiencies of volume shooter. That's just my homework assignment for him and what I wanna see going forward. For him and him alone you gotta pull this kids teeth to make attempts. You saw thestat line. He took 3 shots, missed all 3 and scored his 2pts at the foul line. Again, what was his best case scenario , 11points? Other way to look at it is I've seen players miss thier first three shots all the time. Great players. So you just stop?

So yeah you focus on the percentage but he'll never shoot himself out of a bad percentage and him doing so is actually a sign of progress for me. To be self aware that quitting on yourself ain't helping yourself.

agreed. my only point is you won't be able to assess this until he gets back to the NBA because this style and setting of play really isn't comparable.

[mpharris36]

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Great stuff from Spencer per usual

It is interesting that someone who has worked for NBA teams before and done plenty or work on college scouting can see franks value even with his shaky scoring. But some people can’t...very interesting observation.

[NYKAL]

^then he should suggest one of those teams he works for to trade for Frank cause, he's useless in NY

[mpharris36]

^then he should suggest one of those teams he works for to trade for Frank cause, he's useless in NY

Useless is a pretty ridiculous term to use when he pretty much is the only good perimeter defender on the team. And if you noticed teams that defend well usually are pretty successful in the NBA.

It takes a bit more than 5 guys on the court all trying to score. A lot more to basketball than that.

[Spree2Houston]

I would love to hear Knickstape/FOE's take on Frank as of right now.

[Deeeez Knicks]

It is interesting that someone who has worked for NBA teams before and done plenty or work on college scouting can see franks value even with his shaky scoring. But some people can’t...very interesting observation.

Yeah, def agree. The base skills and instincts Frank shows are more difficult to develop and harder to find, then something like taking 20 shots a game. He needs experience, time and improving in some areas, but he can be a very valuable player if he can put it together. Every team needs players like that.

[Deeeez Knicks]

We were last in the league in assists and one of the worst defensive teams. We could use more players that move the ball well and play defense.