College/Draft Thread Part 5 - NCAA Tournament Edition - Knicks #1 Baby!!!

[3toheadmelo]

Garland is the flavor of the week just like how Brandon Clarke was last week. Next week we gonna hear dudes calling for Deandre Hunter to be drafted at #2

no. those other guys have nothing in common with garland. people like him because he has the best skills out of anyone in the top 5 to create for himself off the dribble. in the nba, that's often what separates guys who become stars from guys who can't. his handle and his ability to use hesitation, create space and pull up is above everyone else.

No. Look ima tell u again. Garland won’t be a Knick and you’ll like it.

[god shammgod]

this will bother people but out of the group of rj, culver, ja, garland....ja scares me the most. because he needs the ball the most and he's the most useless without it. he needs to be westbrook, rose before the injury good to be worthy of the pick. players of his type need to be dominant or they don't help you that much. it's possible that he will be. i can't say. he does seem to have much better vision/patience than westbrook, rose so that's good. of course if he becomes a much better shooter this all changes too but who knows if he can.

[god shammgod]

Garland is the flavor of the week just like how Brandon Clarke was last week. Next week we gonna hear dudes calling for Deandre Hunter to be drafted at #2

no. those other guys have nothing in common with garland. people like him because he has the best skills out of anyone in the top 5 to create for himself off the dribble. in the nba, that's often what separates guys who become stars from guys who can't. his handle and his ability to use hesitation, create space and pull up is above everyone else.

No. Look ima tell u again. Garland won’t be a Knick and you’ll like it.

get your own catch phrases

[3toheadmelo]

no. those other guys have nothing in common with garland. people like him because he has the best skills out of anyone in the top 5 to create for himself off the dribble. in the nba, that's often what separates guys who become stars from guys who can't. his handle and his ability to use hesitation, create space and pull up is above everyone else.

No. Look ima tell u again. Garland won’t be a Knick and you’ll like it.

get your own catch phrases

Ima keep hitting you with that whenever Garland is in the convo

[Tron Carter]

this will bother people but out of the group of rj, culver, ja, garland....ja scares me the most. because he needs the ball the most and he's the most useless without it. he needs to be westbrook, rose before the injury good to be worthy of the pick. players of his type need to be dominate or they don't help you that much. it's possible that he will be. i can't say. he does seem to have much better vision/patience than westbrook, rose so that's good. of course if he becomes a much better shooter this all changes too but who knows if he can.

[mpharris36]

this will bother people but out of the group of rj, culver, ja, garland....ja scares me the most. because he needs the ball the most and he's the most useless without it. he needs to be westbrook, rose before the injury good to be worthy of the pick. players of his type need to be dominate or they don't help you that much. it's possible that he will be. i can't say. he does seem to have much better vision/patience than westbrook, rose so that's good. of course if he becomes a much better shooter this all changes too but who knows if he can.

I don't think Ja or Garland will be a knick. If Kyrie doesn't come how can management give up on DSJ for another unproven guard and they haven't even seen DSJ play 20 games yet? I get if Kyrie comes...DSJ will most likely be traded but thats for a proven all-star. But DSJ was headlining the big KP trade...replacing him this early for another unproven PG makes no sense to me.

My option are the following for the knicks:

if they land pick #1 - Zion
if they land pick #2 - RJ, Culver, trade down to get one of the before mentioned (RJ or Culver), or part of AD trade
if they land pick #3 - RJ Culver, or part of AD trade
if they land pick #4 - RJ, Culver, or part of AD trade
if they land pick #5 - Clarke, Hunter, Reddish, or part of AD trade

[god shammgod]

this will bother people but out of the group of rj, culver, ja, garland....ja scares me the most. because he needs the ball the most and he's the most useless without it. he needs to be westbrook, rose before the injury good to be worthy of the pick. players of his type need to be dominate or they don't help you that much. it's possible that he will be. i can't say. he does seem to have much better vision/patience than westbrook, rose so that's good. of course if he becomes a much better shooter this all changes too but who knows if he can.

I don't think Ja or Garland will be a knick. If Kyrie doesn't come how can management give up on DSJ for another unproven guard and they haven't even seen DSJ play 20 games yet? I get if Kyrie comes...DSJ will most likely be traded but thats for a proven all-star. But DSJ was headlining the big KP trade...replacing him this early for another unproven PG makes no sense to me.

My option are the following for the knicks:

if they land pick #1 - Zion
if they land pick #2 - RJ, Culver, trade down to get one of the before mentioned (RJ or Culver), or part of AD trade
if they land pick #3 - RJ Culver, or part of AD trade
if they land pick #4 - RJ, Culver, or part of AD trade
if they land pick #5 - Clarke, Hunter, Reddish, or part of AD trade

you're probably right. fit wise, rj or culver makes the most sense whether kyrie comes or not. garland can play off the ball though. he can easily play a lou williams, jamal crawford 6th man type role too. dsj and morant are too similar to exist together even though i think morant will be better for sure than dennis. it doesn't make sense to have both. i don't think they'd have a problem though trading dennis again.

it all really depends on where our pick is. even though i'm kinda high on garland, nobody is taking him 2nd. that's the thing about the draft i hate. gms are mostly cowards. if they really believe a guy like garland might be the 2nd best player in the draft they still won't take him there because if they're wrong it looks worse than if they take a guy who should be there like rj/ja and he doesn't work out. these guys will put job security over their gut instinct often.

[Capn'O]

this will bother people but out of the group of rj, culver, ja, garland....ja scares me the most. because he needs the ball the most and he's the most useless without it. he needs to be westbrook, rose before the injury good to be worthy of the pick. players of his type need to be dominate or they don't help you that much. it's possible that he will be. i can't say. he does seem to have much better vision/patience than westbrook, rose so that's good. of course if he becomes a much better shooter this all changes too but who knows if he can.

Fair.

But I do think he's the best player in there. Look at trade downs from 2 Culver might be my #2 for us anyway since Kyrie is coming (and we'll like it).

[god shammgod]

this will bother people but out of the group of rj, culver, ja, garland....ja scares me the most. because he needs the ball the most and he's the most useless without it. he needs to be westbrook, rose before the injury good to be worthy of the pick. players of his type need to be dominate or they don't help you that much. it's possible that he will be. i can't say. he does seem to have much better vision/patience than westbrook, rose so that's good. of course if he becomes a much better shooter this all changes too but who knows if he can.

Fair.

But I do think he's the best player in there. Look at trade downs from 2 Culver might be my #2 for us anyway since Kyrie is coming (and we'll like it).

he could be....but he also needs to be.

i don't usually bother with the trade down scenarios in my head because i don't know how realistic they really are. is anyone that excited about ja or rj that they're gonna give us a pick 2 spots later and what else ? another 1st in 2020 ? i don't know that i see that.

[Capn'O]

this will bother people but out of the group of rj, culver, ja, garland....ja scares me the most. because he needs the ball the most and he's the most useless without it. he needs to be westbrook, rose before the injury good to be worthy of the pick. players of his type need to be dominate or they don't help you that much. it's possible that he will be. i can't say. he does seem to have much better vision/patience than westbrook, rose so that's good. of course if he becomes a much better shooter this all changes too but who knows if he can.

Fair.

But I do think he's the best player in there. Look at trade downs from 2 Culver might be my #2 for us anyway since Kyrie is coming (and we'll like it).

he could be....but he also needs to be.

i don't usually bother with the trade down scenarios in my head because i don't know how realistic they really are. is anyone that excited about ja or rj that they're gonna give us a pick 2 spots later and what else ? another 1st in 2020 ? i don't know that i see that.

Depends on the lotto. Phoenix and Memphis (if they're moving Conley) are good candidates as they will need a lead guard. Maybe we could swap 2nds with Phoenix since Phil did that dumb salary dump and we don't have our own. Or get one of Memphis' youngin's like Dorsey, Brooks, or Rabb.

[Capn'O]

Just wear a Jerry West mask into negotiations and be like "boooooooo booogie boooogie give me everything I want" all creepy like and they'll cave.

[3toheadmelo]

We have Trier for the 6th man role. We don’t need another one with Garland. Rather use our pick on someone else who can start at a different position

[god shammgod]

Fair.

But I do think he's the best player in there. Look at trade downs from 2 Culver might be my #2 for us anyway since Kyrie is coming (and we'll like it).

he could be....but he also needs to be.

i don't usually bother with the trade down scenarios in my head because i don't know how realistic they really are. is anyone that excited about ja or rj that they're gonna give us a pick 2 spots later and what else ? another 1st in 2020 ? i don't know that i see that.

Depends on the lotto. Phoenix and Memphis (if they're moving Conley) are good candidates as they will need a lead guard. Maybe we could swap 2nds with Phoenix since Phil did that dumb salary dump and we don't have our own. Or get one of Memphis' youngin's like Dorsey, Brooks, or Rabb.

i don't think they'll do that. it makes me think of those joke t-shirts people buy on vacations. "i traded down in the 1st round and all i got was this lousy 2nd round pick"

[blueNorange]

zion is gonna be a star, he looks like one and has the name of one, mitchell robinson is gonna be a star, he looks like one and has the name of one.

think of every star, you need one of "looking like a star/having the name of a star" to be successful, kids with whack names lack confidence growing up.

Thats is obvious. All depends of your name.

You can pick Lonzo Ball. He has ball in his name. He is a perfect all star candidate. All of his brothers will be all star as well.

Guys named Giannis Antetokounmpo and Kristaps Porziņģis will never be very big stars. Because they have very complicated names.

I am right, am I?

Guys...

Anybony still reading this?

you got this way wrong.

lonzo ball has a great name and also has the look but one major factor that i forgot to mention, the broken jumpshot. any player with a a hitch in their jumpshot you stay away from. kevin martin is the exception, since he retired players with a hitch in their jumpshots have struggled.

if you're now wondering "didn't shawn marion have a broken jumpshot" the answer is no, he didn't. his jumpshot wasn't broken, it just was a weird way of shooting.

also both giannis and kristaps have the name, they also definitely have the look locked down.

[Jeff Van Gully]

We have Trier for the 6th man role. We don’t need another one with Garland. Rather use our pick on someone else who can start at a different position

we are not in position to not take BPA. if we're picking 4 or 5 and that's garland, you gotta take him if you plan on keeping the pick.

[HEZI]

this will bother people but out of the group of rj, culver, ja, garland....ja scares me the most. because he needs the ball the most and he's the most useless without it. he needs to be westbrook, rose before the injury good to be worthy of the pick. players of his type need to be dominate or they don't help you that much. it's possible that he will be. i can't say. he does seem to have much better vision/patience than westbrook, rose so that's good. of course if he becomes a much better shooter this all changes too but who knows if he can.

Won't be surprised if a team like Phoenix decides to pass on him for this reason. Him and Booker aren't an ideal fit

[Capn'O]

he could be....but he also needs to be.

i don't usually bother with the trade down scenarios in my head because i don't know how realistic they really are. is anyone that excited about ja or rj that they're gonna give us a pick 2 spots later and what else ? another 1st in 2020 ? i don't know that i see that.

Depends on the lotto. Phoenix and Memphis (if they're moving Conley) are good candidates as they will need a lead guard. Maybe we could swap 2nds with Phoenix since Phil did that dumb salary dump and we don't have our own. Or get one of Memphis' youngin's like Dorsey, Brooks, or Rabb.

i don't think they'll do that. it makes me think of those joke t-shirts people buy on vacations. "i traded down in the 1st round and all i got was this lousy 2nd round pick"

Maybe... Optics and stuff.

I'm looking at the Blazers' trades because I know they did a few draft night deals within a close range.

https://www.blazersedge.com/2015/6/25/8843947/portland-trail-blazers-2015-nba-draft-trades

Trade #1:

Trade Partner: Bulls

Acquired: 2nd pick (LaMarcus Aldridge) 2007 second round pick (Demetris Nichols)

Sent out: 4th pick (Tyrus Thomas), Viktor Khryapa

Trade #3:

Trade Partner: Timberwolves

Acquired: 6th pick (Brandon Roy)

Sent out: 7th pick (Randy Foye)

There's usually not a huge additional return for minor trade downs. Well, other than the fact that the primary players they acquired were amazing in both cases.

[blueNorange]

We have Trier for the 6th man role. We don’t need another one with Garland. Rather use our pick on someone else who can start at a different position

we are not in position to not take BPA. if we're picking 4 or 5 and that's garland, you gotta take him if you plan on keeping the pick.

we have frank who's probably gone
we have dsj who's not going to be in the nba in 3-4 years because of the back(that's what happens when you max out for every dunk)
we have mudiay who sucks
we have trier who's a shooting guard
we have kadeem allen who's only good because the other guards suck

but knicks don't need a guard.

[mpharris36]

this will bother people but out of the group of rj, culver, ja, garland....ja scares me the most. because he needs the ball the most and he's the most useless without it. he needs to be westbrook, rose before the injury good to be worthy of the pick. players of his type need to be dominate or they don't help you that much. it's possible that he will be. i can't say. he does seem to have much better vision/patience than westbrook, rose so that's good. of course if he becomes a much better shooter this all changes too but who knows if he can.

Fair.

But I do think he's the best player in there. Look at trade downs from 2 Culver might be my #2 for us anyway since Kyrie is coming (and we'll like it).

he could be....but he also needs to be.

i don't usually bother with the trade down scenarios in my head because i don't know how realistic they really are. is anyone that excited about ja or rj that they're gonna give us a pick 2 spots later and what else ? another 1st in 2020 ? i don't know that i see that.

I think PHX and CHI will be desperate for Ja...so that could be an option. The mainstream media has pegged him as the clear #2 pick.

[3toheadmelo]

We have Trier for the 6th man role. We don’t need another one with Garland. Rather use our pick on someone else who can start at a different position

we are not in position to not take BPA. if we're picking 4 or 5 and that's garland, you gotta take him if you plan on keeping the pick.

I’ve said that already. You take Ja also if he’s the BPA. Garland is not worthy to me to take in the top 5 tho like most mocks have him in a lower range. But if the Knicks think he is the BPA then go for it. But I also see him getting traded if Kyrie is coming. Along with Frank and DSJ. Highly doubt the Knicks will keep Kyrie and Garland. Same with Kyrie and Ja/DSJ.