2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 1)

[robillionaire]

I agree with the analysis that he is more of a rim runner and not a post up guy. The jump shot and range that would be the only thing that sets him apart from a Mitchell Robinson doesn't look that great to me. And Mitch looks like he can bang in the paint better. And looks better on D. It seems like it would be a gamble on a very small upgrade from the player we already have at C that he's going to have the range of the best stretch bigs. Just haven't seen enough evidence to be convinced of that.

[TheScout31]

I agree with the analysis that he is more of a rim runner and not a post up guy. The jump shot and range that would be the only thing that sets him apart from a Mitchell Robinson doesn't look that great to me. And Mitch looks like he can bang in the paint better. And looks better on D. It seems like it would be a gamble on a very small upgrade from the player we already have at C that he's going to have the range of the best stretch bigs. Just haven't seen enough evidence to be convinced of that.

This is the killer for me - it's a marginal upgrade on offense (potentially more spacing, which is definitely valuable) for a downgrade on defense both rim protection + scheme (Mitch is way better on perimeter and has better instincts, though awareness and fouls still need work). They're both primary rim runners, only Mitch's mindset is that of a low USG guy whereas Wiseman has never been that. Also, there aren't many Cs who make big impacts on the game (and worth paying big money to) unless they are multi tooled or have outlier skills - Embiid, Jokic, KAT (though his defense has gone back to crap), Gobert, Bam, Nurk, and maybe a few more I'm missing. The cost for a replacement level C is low too, so taking someone who is not an outlier in any regard is ... odd.

I'm not even that high on Mitch either as a starting C on a championship roster, maybe not even a high level playoff roster, so it's not like I've become infatuated with him...because I haven't.

Also, the game is run by wings and engine Gs, but talent and versatility is what wins out.

Edit ** I don't like Mitch's frame, though - Wiseman is stronger (though not as athletic laterally and takes longer to load vertically).

[Worst_to_First]

I agree with the analysis that he is more of a rim runner and not a post up guy. The jump shot and range that would be the only thing that sets him apart from a Mitchell Robinson doesn't look that great to me. And Mitch looks like he can bang in the paint better. And looks better on D. It seems like it would be a gamble on a very small upgrade from the player we already have at C that he's going to have the range of the best stretch bigs. Just haven't seen enough evidence to be convinced of that.

Rim running is where Wiseman would get his efficiencies and high PER numbers but he is someone who could post up no doubt about that. Seems to have already gotten an unstoppable go to move with his fadeaway jumper, which will be difficult to block given his wingspan.

And no I don’t think Mitch can bang better. Again I like Mitch but come playoff time I really believe people will see that his skill set is not a minor upgrade.

Just my views. Sorry not sorry LOL.

Odds are I’d be with you guys rooting against him anyway if he lands in another team.

[robillionaire]

I agree with the analysis that he is more of a rim runner and not a post up guy. The jump shot and range that would be the only thing that sets him apart from a Mitchell Robinson doesn't look that great to me. And Mitch looks like he can bang in the paint better. And looks better on D. It seems like it would be a gamble on a very small upgrade from the player we already have at C that he's going to have the range of the best stretch bigs. Just haven't seen enough evidence to be convinced of that.

Rim running is where Wiseman would get his efficiencies and high PER numbers but he is someone who could post up no doubt about that. Seems to have already gotten an unstoppable go to move with his fadeaway jumper, which will be difficult to block given his wingspan.

And no I don’t think Mitch can bang better. Again I like Mitch but come playoff time I really believe people will see that his skill set is not a minor upgrade.

Just my views. Sorry not sorry LOL.

Odds are I’d be with you guys rooting against him anyway if he lands in another team.

I've seen the fabled fadeaway and I've seen him make it, I just don't think he's going to be making it at the clip of a Dirk Nowitzki or a Melo, so while it looks good in theory in practice it's probably going to amount to a low percentage bad shot most the time. I question his shot selection and efficiency with that shot. I'm not even rooting against him, I wish him all the best and hope he has a good career, I just think the Knicks would be better served taking someone else. Maybe I'll end up wrong about it, idk.

[3toheadmelo]

I agree with the analysis that he is more of a rim runner and not a post up guy. The jump shot and range that would be the only thing that sets him apart from a Mitchell Robinson doesn't look that great to me. And Mitch looks like he can bang in the paint better. And looks better on D. It seems like it would be a gamble on a very small upgrade from the player we already have at C that he's going to have the range of the best stretch bigs. Just haven't seen enough evidence to be convinced of that.

Rim running is where Wiseman would get his efficiencies and high PER numbers but he is someone who could post up no doubt about that. Seems to have already gotten an unstoppable go to move with his fadeaway jumper, which will be difficult to block given his wingspan.

And no I don’t think Mitch can bang better. Again I like Mitch but come playoff time I really believe people will see that his skill set is not a minor upgrade.

Just my views. Sorry not sorry LOL.

Odds are I’d be with you guys rooting against him anyway if he lands in another team.

I've seen the fabled fadeaway and I've seen him make it, I just don't think he's going to be making it at the clip of a Dirk Nowitzki or a Melo, so while it looks good in theory in practice it's probably going to amount to a low percentage bad shot most the time. I question his shot selection and efficiency with that shot. I'm not even rooting against him, I wish him all the best and hope he has a good career, I just think the Knicks would be better served taking someone else. Maybe I'll end up wrong about it, idk.

He seemed pretty efficient with it in college. But one thing we can agree on is that it sucks that the NCAA did him dirty. We have such a small sample size to go on. I don't even think it's fair to use his high school stats because it doesn't mean much. Especially with him playing a much better motor now.

Cole Anthony was super efficient in high school but now is very inefficient in college. It just shows how meaningless high school data can be.

At least we'll have draft workout vids..

[jvsimonetti0514]

If Wiseman is best available, I wonder if you’d be able to flip Mitch for another late lotto pick and grab someone like Haliburton. I’ve only seen his games against Alabama and Michigan but I’m really intrigued by his game.

[Tron Carter]

Do you think he can become an Embiid type?
I mean Embiid didn’t look like an Embiid type in Kansas.
This Wiseman kid has gone from overrated to underrated real quick. He’s not MY pick per se lol but I think he’s gonna be pretty good. Being big, agile and coordinated still has value in the league. I think the jump shot will come around.

wiseman is not even in the same stratosphere of a prospect like embiid and doesn’t really play anything like him.

embiid’s stock only fell in the draft because of health concerns. he looked like every bit of a generationally talented big man when he could actually stay on the floor.

go creep up on the 76ers board. "trade embiid" isn't even a hot take anymore.

that’s cool. doesn’t change the fact that wiseman isn’t anywhere near the prospect embiid was.

[sol537]

If Wiseman is best available, I wonder if you’d be able to flip Mitch for another late lotto pick and grab someone like Haliburton. I’ve only seen his games against Alabama and Michigan but I’m really intrigued by his game.

Hmm... draft Wiseman and trade Mitch/Knox combo to get a guy like Edwards or the best PG available... If you believe in those draftees as building blocks around RJ, then you pull the trigger like Dallas did for Doncic + KP.

[jvsimonetti0514]

If Wiseman is best available, I wonder if you’d be able to flip Mitch for another late lotto pick and grab someone like Haliburton. I’ve only seen his games against Alabama and Michigan but I’m really intrigued by his game.

Hmm... draft Wiseman and trade Mitch/Knox combo to get a guy like Edwards or the best PG available... If you believe in those draftees as building blocks around RJ, then you pull the trigger like Dallas did for Doncic + KP.

As much as I love Mitch, I'm not sure if he's really worth another top 5 pick to get Edwards and if he's on the board I'm definitely taking him over Wiseman. I feel like Both Wiseman and Haliburton would offer better spacing around RJ than Mitch and Knox would.

[newyorker4ever]

If Wiseman is best available, I wonder if you’d be able to flip Mitch for another late lotto pick and grab someone like Haliburton. I’ve only seen his games against Alabama and Michigan but I’m really intrigued by his game.

Hmm... draft Wiseman and trade Mitch/Knox combo to get a guy like Edwards or the best PG available... If you believe in those draftees as building blocks around RJ, then you pull the trigger like Dallas did for Doncic + KP.

Draft Wiseman and draft Nico Mannion with a late lotto pick sounds real nice to me.

[robillionaire]

Has anybody been watching Edwards lately, his percentages are kinda low. 42% fg%. 31% from 3. Not a lot of rebounds or anything, not a great assist/turnover ratio. Defense seems decent. I’m just not all that hyped about it I’m sorry

[jvsimonetti0514]

If Wiseman is best available, I wonder if you’d be able to flip Mitch for another late lotto pick and grab someone like Haliburton. I’ve only seen his games against Alabama and Michigan but I’m really intrigued by his game.

Hmm... draft Wiseman and trade Mitch/Knox combo to get a guy like Edwards or the best PG available... If you believe in those draftees as building blocks around RJ, then you pull the trigger like Dallas did for Doncic + KP.

Draft Wiseman and draft Nico Mannion with a late lotto pick sounds real nice to me.

I think this draft class I'm gonna be apart of the wingspan gang and I'm taking Haliburton over Mannion. I trust his measurements more than Nico's.

[3toheadmelo]

Has anybody been watching Edwards lately, his percentages are kinda low. 42% fg%. 31% from 3. Not a lot of rebounds or anything, not a great assist/turnover ratio. Defense seems decent. I’m just not all that hyped about it I’m sorry

I noticed his stats have been low too. I saw that last game he put up just 9 points. Tbh, I am biased and I still want him. Only cause of the flashes he's shown. Lol

[Mecca]

The amount of people that didn’t like Ja last year made absolutely zero sense. It definitely came across as people trying to know more than everyone else because his game had a lot of flash. The guy is just different, man. Definite future star.

[newyorker4ever]

The amount of people that didn’t like Ja last year made absolutely zero sense. It definitely came across as people trying to know more than everyone else because his game had a lot of flash. The guy is just different, man. Definite future star.

Yeah i was and am i huge Ja fan and wanted him badly in last years draft. People stank all over T.Young and L.Doncic in their draft to. I was also one of the few that wanted SGA in the K.Knox draft. Damn i missed my calling.

[robillionaire]

The amount of people that didn’t like Ja last year made absolutely zero sense. It definitely came across as people trying to know more than everyone else because his game had a lot of flash. The guy is just different, man. Definite future star.

Yeah i was and am i huge Ja fan and wanted him badly in last years draft. People stank all over T.Young and L.Doncic in their draft to. I was also one of the few that wanted SGA in the K.Knox draft. Damn i missed my calling.

That’s why I want lamelo. Clearly he is special. No need to be too rational about it just draft the obviously special player

[DOT]

I didn't love Ja cause I didn't see him as having the scoring upside I feel is necessary for a team drafting in the top 3. Plus I don't like guys who are absolute negatives on defense

I think I had him 5th or 6th overall. Just not top 3. I still don't see special from him, and I don't think he goes top 3 most years, and neither does RJ. Zion was the only great prospect last year

It's a pretty moot point cause we didn't have a chance to get him anyways

[newyorker4ever]

The amount of people that didn’t like Ja last year made absolutely zero sense. It definitely came across as people trying to know more than everyone else because his game had a lot of flash. The guy is just different, man. Definite future star.

Yeah i was and am i huge Ja fan and wanted him badly in last years draft. People stank all over T.Young and L.Doncic in their draft to. I was also one of the few that wanted SGA in the K.Knox draft. Damn i missed my calling.

That’s why I want lamelo. Clearly he is special. No need to be too rational about it just draft the obviously special player

I get that but if we did then there's no way we can have Barrett as our starting SG because you have to have shooting in this league. We'd have to play Barrett at SG and get a legit shooter to start at SG and even with that we'd still need Barrett and Ball to get better at shooting cause we can't have one shooter at SG with two non shooters at PG and SF. Maybe trading for Bogdan Bagdanovic would be a very good idea or trade for another SG that can legit shoot the rock.

[robillionaire]

Yeah i was and am i huge Ja fan and wanted him badly in last years draft. People stank all over T.Young and L.Doncic in their draft to. I was also one of the few that wanted SGA in the K.Knox draft. Damn i missed my calling.

That’s why I want lamelo. Clearly he is special. No need to be too rational about it just draft the obviously special player

I get that but if we did then there's no way we can have Barrett as our starting SG because you have to have shooting in this league. We'd have to play Barrett at SG and get a legit shooter to start at SG and even with that we'd still need Barrett and Ball to get better at shooting cause we can't have one shooter at SG with two non shooters at PG and SF. Maybe trading for Bogdan Bagdanovic would be a very good idea or trade for another SG that can legit shoot the rock.

You can play RJ at SG or SF but yeah we should look to sign a free agent shooter like bogdanovic joe Harris or Davis Bertans no matter what

[aggo]

I agree with the analysis that he is more of a rim runner and not a post up guy. The jump shot and range that would be the only thing that sets him apart from a Mitchell Robinson doesn't look that great to me. And Mitch looks like he can bang in the paint better. And looks better on D. It seems like it would be a gamble on a very small upgrade from the player we already have at C that he's going to have the range of the best stretch bigs. Just haven't seen enough evidence to be convinced of that.

Derrick Favors is another good comp for wiseman.