Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[Zenzibar]

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[-YogiBiz-]

Giannis--pick #15
K.Middelton--pick #39
J.Holiday--pick #17

Pick #19 and #21 have value

I could go through the never ending lists of guys who are barely average in that range. Good players don't typically get taken later. Outlier's occur, but to use that as a reasoning to not improve your roster (definitely) vs hoping to god you get a star player well outside the lottery (where everything has to line up perfectly for a guy in that range to become as good as they can be).

Hoping for success is how you waste picks. You have to set yourself up for success.

[Infinitimind]

Giannis--pick #15
K.Middelton--pick #39
J.Holiday--pick #17

Pick #19 and #21 have value

We can’t event make use of lottery picks
8 Frank
9 knox
8 Obi 10 minutes a game

Please note I’m Not in favor of Collin sexton. Just making a point how we don’t develop players or value draft picks

We can't evaluate talent.

No developmental program was gonna prevent Frank or Knox being busts.

Obi is really about unfortunate circumstances (it's known the Knicks were trying to move Randle) but I think Obi's development has been steady under Thibs.

Not disagreeing with you though.

You are 100 percent wrong
Kevin knox was considered a top 5 talent in a deep draft. We pretty much gave up on him after his first year

Obi is considered top 5 talent and the most ready player in this draft. Heavy favor to win rookie of the year, we played him 10 mins a game

We should stop drafting players and ruining kids careers.

[thebuzzardman]

We can’t event make use of lottery picks
8 Frank
9 knox
8 Obi 10 minutes a game

Please note I’m Not in favor of Collin sexton. Just making a point how we don’t develop players or value draft picks

We can't evaluate talent.

No developmental program was gonna prevent Frank or Knox being busts.

Obi is really about unfortunate circumstances (it's known the Knicks were trying to move Randle) but I think Obi's development has been steady under Thibs.

Not disagreeing with you though.

You are 100 percent wrong
Kevin knox was considered a top 5 talent in a deep draft. We pretty much gave up on him after his first year

Obi is considered top 5 talent and the most ready player in this draft. Heavy favor to win rookie of the year, we played him 10 mins a game

We should stop drafting players and ruining kids careers.

If those guys were better, they'd player more. Period.

Sorry, but Knox is lacking something. Athleticism for defense. Desire. Something. He was given minutes. They reduced when he didn't produce.

Obi got minutes. IQ got more minutes. Because he was more useful in his role. I don't Thibs was specifically determined for Randle to average nearly 40 mpg. It was because there wasn't enough reliable playmakers and because Obi wasn't good enough to play more than about 10 minutes a game. Honestly, at times, if that.

Knox's minutes started to decline before Thibs showed up. Thibs just made it official.

Hey, maybe Knicks player development could be better, but between Frank, Knox and Obi, the real issue is drafting ability. It's not top notch. Then again, each of those players represents somewhat distinct front offices, another issue.
Hopefully this FO is good enough to actually stick around a while, and while Obi wasn't the greatest pick, even good FO's don't get the draft 100% right, not even close.

[Infinitimind]

We can't evaluate talent.

No developmental program was gonna prevent Frank or Knox being busts.

Obi is really about unfortunate circumstances (it's known the Knicks were trying to move Randle) but I think Obi's development has been steady under Thibs.

Not disagreeing with you though.

You are 100 percent wrong
Kevin knox was considered a top 5 talent in a deep draft. We pretty much gave up on him after his first year

Obi is considered top 5 talent and the most ready player in this draft. Heavy favor to win rookie of the year, we played him 10 mins a game

We should stop drafting players and ruining kids careers.

If those guys were better, they'd player more. Period.

Sorry, but Knox is lacking something. Athleticism for defense. Desire. Something. He was given minutes. They reduced when he didn't produce.

Obi got minutes. IQ got more minutes. Because he was more useful in his role. I don't Thibs was specifically determined for Randle to average nearly 40 mpg. It was because there wasn't enough reliable playmakers and because Obi wasn't good enough to play more than about 10 minutes a game. Honestly, at times, if that.

Knox's minutes started to decline before Thibs showed up. Thibs just made it official.

Hey, maybe Knicks player development could be better, but between Frank, Knox and Obi, the real issue is drafting ability. It's not top notch. Then again, each of those players represents somewhat distinct front offices, another issue.
Hopefully this FO is good enough to actually stick around a while, and while Obi wasn't the greatest pick, even good FO's don't get the draft 100% right, not even close.

This is the argument I am making. Kevin knox average 13 and shot 37 percent rookie year. Rj average 14 and shot 40 percent. Instead of knox being developed he was benched for Morris. We killed his confidence and he what he is now. Came in this year and really shot the ball well. But let’s played one year vets instead. Porter jr, bertans, cam Johnson to name a few aren’t playing much better defense

[prophet_of_rage]

You are 100 percent wrong
Kevin knox was considered a top 5 talent in a deep draft. We pretty much gave up on him after his first year

Obi is considered top 5 talent and the most ready player in this draft. Heavy favor to win rookie of the year, we played him 10 mins a game

We should stop drafting players and ruining kids careers.

If those guys were better, they'd player more. Period.

Sorry, but Knox is lacking something. Athleticism for defense. Desire. Something. He was given minutes. They reduced when he didn't produce.

Obi got minutes. IQ got more minutes. Because he was more useful in his role. I don't Thibs was specifically determined for Randle to average nearly 40 mpg. It was because there wasn't enough reliable playmakers and because Obi wasn't good enough to play more than about 10 minutes a game. Honestly, at times, if that.

Knox's minutes started to decline before Thibs showed up. Thibs just made it official.

Hey, maybe Knicks player development could be better, but between Frank, Knox and Obi, the real issue is drafting ability. It's not top notch. Then again, each of those players represents somewhat distinct front offices, another issue.
Hopefully this FO is good enough to actually stick around a while, and while Obi wasn't the greatest pick, even good FO's don't get the draft 100% right, not even close.

This is the argument I am making. Kevin knox average 13 and shot 37 percent rookie year. Rj average 14 and shot 40 percent. Instead of knox being developed he was benched for Morris. We killed his confidence and he what he is now. Came in this year and really shot the ball well. But let’s played one year vets instead. Porter jr, bertans, cam Johnson to name a few aren’t playing much better defense

Knox's teammates said he was given too much in their exit interviews.

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[Kampuchea]

Sexton I feel like can excel under Thibs. Oubre I feel the opposite.

[prophet_of_rage]

Sexton I feel like can excel under Thibs. Oubre I feel the opposite.

Why? They'd be the same player.

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[-YogiBiz-]

Sexton I feel like can excel under Thibs. Oubre I feel the opposite.

Why? They'd be the same player.

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Not really. You can't really survive in the NBA if your wings aren't competent defenders. The same can't be said true about your 1s.

[Kampuchea]

Sexton I feel like can excel under Thibs. Oubre I feel the opposite.

Why? They'd be the same player.

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Oubre gives me IDGAF vibes. Sexton gives me "want to but doesn't know how" vibes and I think needs a change of scenery.


Just my personal opinion from seeing Oubre play. Skilled but not the heart.

[Chanel Bomber]

You are 100 percent wrong
Kevin knox was considered a top 5 talent in a deep draft. We pretty much gave up on him after his first year

Obi is considered top 5 talent and the most ready player in this draft. Heavy favor to win rookie of the year, we played him 10 mins a game

We should stop drafting players and ruining kids careers.

If those guys were better, they'd player more. Period.

Sorry, but Knox is lacking something. Athleticism for defense. Desire. Something. He was given minutes. They reduced when he didn't produce.

Obi got minutes. IQ got more minutes. Because he was more useful in his role. I don't Thibs was specifically determined for Randle to average nearly 40 mpg. It was because there wasn't enough reliable playmakers and because Obi wasn't good enough to play more than about 10 minutes a game. Honestly, at times, if that.

Knox's minutes started to decline before Thibs showed up. Thibs just made it official.

Hey, maybe Knicks player development could be better, but between Frank, Knox and Obi, the real issue is drafting ability. It's not top notch. Then again, each of those players represents somewhat distinct front offices, another issue.
Hopefully this FO is good enough to actually stick around a while, and while Obi wasn't the greatest pick, even good FO's don't get the draft 100% right, not even close.

This is the argument I am making. Kevin knox average 13 and shot 37 percent rookie year. Rj average 14 and shot 40 percent. Instead of knox being developed he was benched for Morris. We killed his confidence and he what he is now. Came in this year and really shot the ball well. But let’s played one year vets instead. Porter jr, bertans, cam Johnson to name a few aren’t playing much better defense

We benched him because he's a horrible NBA player who hurts everyone around him including our better prospects. The team has consistently performed horribly with him on the court.

You know damn well RJ has shown a lot more and that he wants it more than Kevin. It's not like it's secret. Knox has had motor issues since forever.

[CoolKids]

We can’t event make use of lottery picks
8 Frank
9 knox
8 Obi 10 minutes a game

Please note I’m Not in favor of Collin sexton. Just making a point how we don’t develop players or value draft picks

We can't evaluate talent.

No developmental program was gonna prevent Frank or Knox being busts.

Obi is really about unfortunate circumstances (it's known the Knicks were trying to move Randle) but I think Obi's development has been steady under Thibs.

Not disagreeing with you though.

You are 100 percent wrong
Kevin knox was considered a top 5 talent in a deep draft. We pretty much gave up on him after his first year

Obi is considered top 5 talent and the most ready player in this draft. Heavy favor to win rookie of the year, we played him 10 mins a game

We should stop drafting players and ruining kids careers.

no one on planet earth had knox as a top 5 talent

[Infinitimind]

If those guys were better, they'd player more. Period.

Sorry, but Knox is lacking something. Athleticism for defense. Desire. Something. He was given minutes. They reduced when he didn't produce.

Obi got minutes. IQ got more minutes. Because he was more useful in his role. I don't Thibs was specifically determined for Randle to average nearly 40 mpg. It was because there wasn't enough reliable playmakers and because Obi wasn't good enough to play more than about 10 minutes a game. Honestly, at times, if that.

Knox's minutes started to decline before Thibs showed up. Thibs just made it official.

Hey, maybe Knicks player development could be better, but between Frank, Knox and Obi, the real issue is drafting ability. It's not top notch. Then again, each of those players represents somewhat distinct front offices, another issue.
Hopefully this FO is good enough to actually stick around a while, and while Obi wasn't the greatest pick, even good FO's don't get the draft 100% right, not even close.

This is the argument I am making. Kevin knox average 13 and shot 37 percent rookie year. Rj average 14 and shot 40 percent. Instead of knox being developed he was benched for Morris. We killed his confidence and he what he is now. Came in this year and really shot the ball well. But let’s played one year vets instead. Porter jr, bertans, cam Johnson to name a few aren’t playing much better defense

We benched him because he's a horrible NBA player who hurts everyone around him including our better prospects. The team has consistently performed horribly with him on the court.

You know damn well RJ has shown a lot more and that he wants it more than Kevin. It's not like it's secret. Knox has had motor issues since forever.

We do understand knox was 18 year old when we drafted him , he was a kid. Look up his roaster his rookie year trey burks , muiday, hezonja, most of those guy are not in the nba. Knox won rookie of the month, 6-9 dude and can drive it , hit floaters. Is a smooth athletic. He was just a kid , and we ruin him. Let’s not forget playing for the worst coach in recent nba history. Benched for Morris because they were trying to save their job. It’s seems like I’m the only one that pissed. You going find a better talent at 19 or 21, I don’t think that going happened. We

[CoolKids]

http://www.tankathon.com/players/kevin-knox

[newyorker4ever]

this is what thibs wants

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he did stuff like this in alabama too. true dog heart.

Thibs wants someone who plays zero defense? Hmmmmmm...

lets not act like the knicks were this great defensive team before thibs got here, coaching and culture matters

Can you tell me how you got that i was saying the Knicks were a good defensive team before Thibs got there from my post? I can't put it together.

[newyorker4ever]

Giannis--pick #15
K.Middelton--pick #39
J.Holiday--pick #17

Pick #19 and #21 have value

it also rains in the Sahara, just because something happens doesn't mean it's the norm. Good players in the latter rounds are a long shot

Correct but they're still found all the time and the list i could make would be pretty damn long and the Bucks still just won a championship with their main 3 being mid 1st or 2nd round picks. PJ Tucker and P.Connaughton were also 2nd round picks and even though he didn't play in the playoffs for them DiVincenzo was also a mid 1st round pick.

It's obviously harder to find good/great players in the top half of the 1st round but every draft players get drafted after that and end up good/great NBA players and every draft has multiple busts that get drafted in the top half of the 1st round.

[newyorker4ever]

Giannis--pick #15
K.Middelton--pick #39
J.Holiday--pick #17

Pick #19 and #21 have value

The picks have value. I wouldn't trade all of them, or even 2 out of 3 of them, for Sexton. Well, maybe if one is #32.

I'm hoping the trade is Knox, #19, #32. Knicks still retain a pick in the draft, get some 3&D wing. I sort of ignore pick #58, because that's probably not going to yield a good player. In fact, I'd hope, and I figure, it'll be used on a draft and stash, that way the Knick have an "asset" but of no cap cost. Aller seems to be into that kind of thing, and it's a smart idea.

I could deal with trading 2 of 19, 21, 32 to move up and then still use whatever one we have left and come out of this draft with someone in the top half of the 1st and another one with whatever pick is left of those 3 and coming away with 2 players.

[newyorker4ever]

Giannis--pick #15
K.Middelton--pick #39
J.Holiday--pick #17

Pick #19 and #21 have value

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-draft-pick-expectations

They do have value but you’re way more likely to get a bench or an end of rotation player than you are going to get an all star or a starter.

19th pick: 19% of the played picked there turned into all stars or starters
21st pick : 26% of players selected there turned into all stars or starters

Granted these numbers are only up until 2015 cuz that’s when ESPN bought out DX but the odds say Sexton is going to be way better of a player than whoever we grab with these picks.

You don't get many drafts that are as strong as everyone thinks this one is all the way through the 1st round and into the 2nd either.

[prophet_of_rage]

Sexton I feel like can excel under Thibs. Oubre I feel the opposite.

Why? They'd be the same player.

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Not really. You can't really survive in the NBA if your wings aren't competent defenders. The same can't be said true about your 1s.

You can survive any perimeter player not being a competent defender if they can score. Oubre isn't a fantastic defender, but he isn't terrible and your 1 has to be able to defend some or they are just going to screen until they get him on a scorer.

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[Zenzibar]

Why? They'd be the same player.

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Not really. You can't really survive in the NBA if your wings aren't competent defenders. The same can't be said true about your 1s.

You can survive any perimeter player not being a competent defender if they can score. Oubre isn't a fantastic defender, but he isn't terrible and your 1 has to be able to defend some or they are just going to screen until they get him on a scorer.

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Don't worry. Rose is not here to bring on and sign mediocre talent like Obre with 2022 in sight. That cap is going to stay nice and toasty.

If Obre wants to play in NY he better come cheap.