Around the NBA - Continued… again

[MrDollarBills]

3 year window to win a title, the reign of Victor is coming.

#1, Victory is that good and will be that great. (barring injuries)

#2, The NBA always loves a marketing angle. So the marketing angle will be the older, great, Euro bigs facing off the challenges from the new Euro big, Wemby. I guess they might draw Chet into it, where it's the new centers vs the old guard.

Those teams will be getting all the foul calls, favorable schedules, and anything else that helps guide them to conference finals and finals appearances. Plus, of course, they are good players and are or will be on good teams.

But the rest of the league is f*cked, because the NBA doesn't let other teams get in the way of the main marketing product.

Yeah it's gonna be a wrap

Victor probably has those bigolwimmin down there lining up to feed him grapes and fan him.

[Deeeez Knicks]

3 year window to win a title, the reign of Victor is coming.

At least we had a good run in January

[Reign23]

3 year window to win a title, the reign of Victor is coming.

Chet chose to attempt a pull up in Wemby's face. As if his opponent was a normal human being an not a generational freak like he is

jesus

[KnicksGadfly]

Man parts of me thinks the Nets should lean into their villain status in NYC and get Trae, but damn, Trae and Victor would be scary

[robillionaire]

Randle being hurt was because he was undercut by someone trying to take a charge. I don't think fatigue played a role in that.

They need to ban that sh*t from the sport. It makes zero sense that running up to undercut a player elevating should be an offensive foul. Either jump straight up to challenge the shot or it's a blocking foul, period. The league won't be happy until someone gets their head cracked open on national television from a defender doing that crap.

They need to cut back on charge calls in general. Running in front of a player so you can take a dive flop down to the ground and get a call shouldn’t be basketball. If anything make it a no call and it’s only a charge if you heavily shove off with your arm or shoulder or something of that nature. It’s not fun to watch all this constant flopping and acting

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Randle being hurt was because he was undercut by someone trying to take a charge. I don't think fatigue played a role in that.

They need to ban that sh*t from the sport. It makes zero sense that running up to undercut a player elevating should be an offensive foul. Either jump straight up to challenge the shot or it's a blocking foul, period. The league won't be happy until someone gets their head cracked open on national television from a defender doing that crap.

They need to cut back on charge calls in general. Running in front of a player so you can take a dive flop down to the ground and get a call shouldn’t be basketball. If anything make it a no call and it’s only a charge if you heavily shove off with your arm or shoulder or something of that nature. It’s not fun to watch all this constant flopping and acting

The easiest fix to that is move the charge circle out further and to balance it out you give the shot blocker more freedom on challenging shots at the rim. Falling down in front of a white line should not be a form of defensive strategy.

[dakomish23]

3 year window to win a title, the reign of Victor is coming.

LAL & GSW might be playin teams. LAC & PHX will still be playoff teams the next few years even as their starter get older, plus PHX got Booker who's just entering his prime. OKC MIN DEN aren't going anywhere. SAC DAL MEM will be right there with them the next 5 years. NOP always performs when Zion stays healthy. UTA has enough picks drastically upgrade.

And they got the most insane prospect in decades waiting to terraform the whole conference to his liking.

Wemby in Feb

21.3 PPG 10.7 RPG 4.5 APG 2.0 SPG 3.9 BPG
47.4% on 15.8 FGA
41.3% on 5.3 3PA
83.1% on 4.9 FTA

A just turned 20 year old doing 20/10/5 flirting with 50/40/90 while leading the league in blocks and will break into the top 10 in steals, as a rookie.

The west is insane.

[Wildcat]

Ask and then wait for an answer, don‘t assume.

You think Julius‘ injury had nothing to do with being tired and overplayed constantly? Notecwhen it happened - end of game.
OG was just just acquired, so no complaint.
Mitch was overused in general, even w his injury history playing those minutes? And knowing we had IHart to help w minutes?
And IHart is not used to starter minutes and being overplayed? Seems splitting their minutes and not running each into the ground would be better.
Brunson being run into the ground when Deuce could easily do 5 more minutes to help out?
RJ having knee problems at 23?
Derek Rose?
Thibs history.

We all see it and half the board complains.

I was not happy with getting Burks and even Bogs. Can‘t see either being more than situational come playoffs.
Would rather have Grimes be situational w his defense.
We‘ll see come playoffs.

We have a GREAT team though. I just hope Thibs doesn‘t continue to run them into the ground.

Yes, I do think Randle's injury had nothing to do with being tired. Are we really looking 35.4 MPG and saying to ourselves, "He's being overplayed?" That's garage. And the funny thing about that is his minutes were actually down since the OG trade. That lead was down to 6 around the 10 minutes mark. He got injured when they were up 17 a bit before the 4+ minute mark. How often have we seen in the league where being up 17 points means nothing? 3 back to back 3's and we're all screaming to get Randle back in. If that was a clean foul and Randle hits his FT's, I have no doubt in my mind the benches would have been cleared out by the 3 minute mark. Randle's injury is just flat out bad luck.

Same with Robinson. You can't tell me 29 MPG is considered overplaying. More bad luck. Sharing minutes with I-Hart is damn near moot as much as we want it. No team will ever have players do an even split on those minutes, especially 2 big men like Robinson and I-Hart. I-Hart injury is perhaps the only thing we can look at Thibs on, but then again, he's your starting C playing starter minutes of 30 MPG. I can't imagine he's so poorly conditioned that the extra 10 MPG was going to break him. The frontline got screwed. It's how the NBA goes, man.

How many times have we seen Deuce in come to give JB a breather and the other team goes on a quick run? Often. I like Deuce, but he's not a PG. That's the short and skinny of it. Bro, RJ is playing more minutes with the Raptors then he did with the Knicks. Again, 30 MPG is a lot from your starter? This is insane talk. In fact he logged his 1st 40 played minutes this season a couple of weeks ago. Go ask Rose if he blames Thibs for his ACL injury for Game 1 of the 1st Round on a non-contact drive to the basket? How's Jimmy doing? And KAT, and Conley? Noah and Gibson?

What people by large seem to not understand is that the modern NBA team do not even have on court practices the way they use to and most of the time it's film studies and other things that typically dwarf on court activities (shoot arounds do not count as practice). Until everyone's healthy, this team's starters are going to play heavier minutes. That's the reality of the situation.

So, you are essentially saying that our entire starting lineup being out more than all the other teams is just a coincidence and has nothing to do with Thibs?

When you need 4 paragraphs to defend a clear observation, I’d say your reaching.

Just hoping we are ready for the playoffs, if not, then for the draft.

Mate, you made specific points and I'm responding to them. I'm not just going to pick and choose.

It's not a clear observation. A narrative wormed into some folk's head and you're presenting it as an abnormality compared to the rest of the league when the data shows that's simply not the case.

Let's look at January for example. Top 20 in total minutes played have 0 Knick players. T-Wolves have 3 on that list. Bulls and Bucks have 2 on that list. The numbers in February are obviously screwed up because guys are just dropping for one reason or another, but it has nothing to do with being overplayed in the 1st 40 or so games.

Players get injured. Some of those injuries just happens to be fluke. He can certainly go easier on I-Hart, but there's no alternative right now. In a few weeks, these MPG will stabilize. Hell, Josh can take a game or 2 off if he needs it.

[Capn'O]

Victor is definitely a problem.

[Gravy]

Remember when the center position was done and going small was what everybody needed to do

[Snacks]

That's why I think we should try to keep Mitch and iHart if possible - with their agility, defense, and rebounding-- with another high volume high efficiency scorer (Spida) to go with Brunson - we can beat even a good team like Spurs 3 years from now

[Jeffrey]

Remember when the center position was done and going small was what everybody needed to do

Always been a big man game... its just that big 5s are finally stretching to the 3 point line. They were, for obvious reasons lagging behind when it came to the perimeter game. Once KD came to the league and big men see what he was doing, it was only a matter of time kids wanted to emulate that.

BTW, American big man is seriously behind in the modern game.

[MrDollarBills]

Randle being hurt was because he was undercut by someone trying to take a charge. I don't think fatigue played a role in that.

They need to ban that sh*t from the sport. It makes zero sense that running up to undercut a player elevating should be an offensive foul. Either jump straight up to challenge the shot or it's a blocking foul, period. The league won't be happy until someone gets their head cracked open on national television from a defender doing that crap.

They need to cut back on charge calls in general. Running in front of a player so you can take a dive flop down to the ground and get a call shouldn’t be basketball. If anything make it a no call and it’s only a charge if you heavily shove off with your arm or shoulder or something of that nature. It’s not fun to watch all this constant flopping and acting

The easiest fix to that is move the charge circle out further and to balance it out you give the shot blocker more freedom on challenging shots at the rim. Falling down in front of a white line should not be a form of defensive strategy.

Right. Especially when a player is about to elevate.

Jump up straight up and challenge the shot. You shouldn't be rewarded for undercutting a player who is in the air.

[MrDollarBills]

Remember when the center position was done and going small was what everybody needed to do

Always been a big man game... its just that big 5s are finally stretching to the 3 point line. They were, for obvious reasons lagging behind when it came to the perimeter game. Once KD came to the league and big men see what he was doing, it was only a matter of time kids wanted to emulate that.

BTW, American big man is seriously behind in the modern game.

Chet Holmgren is holding it down for America right now, but the skill gap is becoming alarming.

Rim runners are going to get phased out of the game. Guys wanting to play C/PF will need to have multi tool skillsets as the game continues to evolve. Spacing the floor and making reads are just as important as shot blocking and rebounding.

[MrDollarBills]

3 year window to win a title, the reign of Victor is coming.

Chet chose to attempt a pull up in Wemby's face. As if his opponent was a normal human being an not a generational freak like he is

jesus

Right. Chet probably rarely gets blocked on those pull ups and Wemby just sent him packing.

Just seeing two 7+ foot guys like this go at it is insane. If I'm Chet, I'm in the gym and weight room all summer. It's gonna take hard work to keep up with a freak like Wemby

[NoDopeOnSundays]

That's why I think we should try to keep Mitch and iHart if possible - with their agility, defense, and rebounding-- with another high volume high efficiency scorer (Spida) to go with Brunson - we can beat even a good team like Spurs 3 years from now

That's not how playoff basketball works now, just having a big guy that can't provide anything on offense isn't going to get you far against teams that have bigs that can defend yours while also being able to stretch the floor or score. It's been almost a decade since a team won a title with a straight up garbage man type C, it was the Cavs with Tristan Thompson. The Warriors using Draymond at center has changed how the NBA works, it brought on more teams going small to matchup with them, which in turn brought back bigs that can score to counter that. It's why the Nuggets have been smoking the Warriors the last 2 years, because they cannot go small against them because Jokic will score easily against Dray, and they can't go big because Jokic can defend Looney, they're just out of answers.

The eventual outcome of Victor (Chet as well) will be that they will guard guys like Mitch/Ihart and completely shut down the paint because they will be able to play close to the rim. You cannot go into a series vs elite rim protectors and not pull them away from the rim. On the other end of the floor they will pull the big away from the rim with shooting or even passing, like the Warriors did last night. The days of the unskilled starting C on a championship team are over, it's too easy to defend for good teams, it's why Bam killed us last year, and ultimately why the Celtics traded for Kristaps. You need someone that can do more than just rebound and defend at the 5.

[bballoctober]

Can we sign Marcus Morris ?

[FrozenEnvelope]

Can we sign Marcus Morris ?

If he can give Hart a 10 minute break, fine by me.

[MrDollarBills]

That's why I think we should try to keep Mitch and iHart if possible - with their agility, defense, and rebounding-- with another high volume high efficiency scorer (Spida) to go with Brunson - we can beat even a good team like Spurs 3 years from now

That's not how playoff basketball works now, just having a big guy that can't provide anything on offense isn't going to get you far against teams that have bigs that can defend yours while also being able to stretch the floor or score. It's been almost a decade since a team won a title with a straight up garbage man type C, it was the Cavs with Tristan Thompson. The Warriors using Draymond at center has changed how the NBA works, it brought on more teams going small to matchup with them, which in turn brought back bigs that can score to counter that. It's why the Nuggets have been smoking the Warriors the last 2 years, because they cannot go small against them because Jokic will score easily against Dray, and they can't go big because Jokic can defend Looney, they're just out of answers.

The eventual outcome of Victor (Chet as well) will be that they will guard guys like Mitch/Ihart and completely shut down the paint because they will be able to play close to the rim. You cannot go into a series vs elite rim protectors and not pull them away from the rim. On the other end of the floor they will pull the big away from the rim with shooting or even passing, like the Warriors did last night. The days of the unskilled starting C on a championship team are over, it's too easy to defend for good teams, it's why Bam killed us last year, and ultimately why the Celtics traded for Kristaps. You need someone that can do more than just rebound and defend at the 5.

Yeah agreed. Rim running bigs that can't space are a liability in a 7 game series. Especially if their cover is the exact opposite.

Hartenstein is pretty skilled and it's a shame he isn't allowed to shoot threes. The team will need to add someone at the 5 that can space at some point.

[MrDollarBills]

Can we sign Marcus Morris ?

Tax apron implications say no unfortunately