Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

[Phish Tank]

meanwhile Scott Perry's track record with International basketball players is at 0. Fizdale is at -20.

Xenophobes much?

[Stannis]

Frank is gonna be making 5mil. Its a lot for a guy who is a pure project.

Frank would be an ideal 2nd round pick. You just stash him either in Europe or at the end of your bench and see what he looks like in 3-5 years. He can still be a decent player.

His 5 mil is just too much to keep around for nothing.

Yea, but it looks like the Knicks are actually evaluating resigning Mudiay who will definitely get more than 5 million.

So it just doesn't make sense to me to say 5 million is too much for Frank, while Knicks bring back Mudiay on a bigger contract.

[3toheadmelo]

the writing was on the wall since we signed Mudiay and called up Burke. that boy gone.

signing crap players doesn’t mean anything.

also hopefully this means franks gets playing time to regain any value.

Acquiring point guard after point guard after point guard shows that the Knicks don’t have much faith in Frank. It’s clear as day

[shtolky]

the writing was on the wall since we signed Mudiay and called up Burke. that boy gone.

signing crap players doesn’t mean anything.

also hopefully this means franks gets playing time to regain any value.

Acquiring point guard after point guard after point guard shows that the Knicks don’t have much faith in Frank. It’s clear as day

Acquiring PG after PG could mean they don't think he is a PG. To make the leap that because they are acquiring lots of PGs means they don't have faith in him as an overall player is a logical leap that doesn't make sense. Burke is also gone and Mudiay will be gone as well (just like when everyone was convinced we were re-signing Rose, no way Mudiay is back). That leaves DSJ who was a necessary asset to get back in the KP deal. There really hasn't been any indication they are looking to dump Frank.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Sort of going off Frank topic here, but I appreciate the way that Perry has built team depth and organizational depth in a fairly short period of time. Small kudos to Phil for keeping the picks. Sure, low bar, average GM stuff, but it was an important preliminary phase before a real professional GM like Perry took over and took things to the next level. Anyway, even Dotson was picked under Phil, did a WHG pick become Mitch? Or that was the 2nd in the Melo deal? Anyway, holding the picks and the players built up a base of young, cheap guys of various talents and hitting home runs on the Mitch pick and the Trier UDFA were huge. And even having solid shooting, try to play defense, will move the ball guys like Kadeem and Jenkins and maybe Ellenson represent the flexibility to move nearly any guy on the roster for a better/different fit.

I've been harping for a while that I think AD has no interest in anyone but the Lakers, but that the Knicks, likely drafting a SG, and getting Kyrie and KD, will have so much (too much) depth (not that they are all awesome) at 1-3, that the Knicks could easily package up 2 young guys and two "Westchester specials" to the tune of 12-15 million, and add a player or two, who rationalize the roster, but still maintain significant youth.

Good for you that you spin it to yourself so positively. I see a trail of errors through the Pills era, some fortune, some good opportunistic strikes (often playing catch up on the errors) and, more generally, a total lack of planning.

Now, I do agree that keeping well away from long term plans and simply acting in the moment as often as possible (which is kinda what Deeez Knicks praises in his reply to this post of yours) is/can be a very valid strategy. I personally typically don't love it - but I know that's just my aesthetic preference, nothing more.

The real question is are those small decisions adding up to something better than random. But probably the sample size isn't enough to call the Pills 'good' or 'bad' whatever the outcome this summer.

I sort of delineate from Mills to Perry.

I'm not giving any special credit to Phil. He screwed up several things.
I look at Mills as being in charge for a few months and he f*cked it totally, with Baker's deal, and of course, THJr.

Perry comes in and has to clean up. He's not perfect, but I'd say he's been more than solid.

Obviously, I wish there was better syncing of vision between him and the coach regarding tanking during the Jefe year, there it is.
Tank harder, play young guys sooner after KP goes down. It's not all roses. But especially starting this offseason, very solid. 1 year deals, trading KP for DSJr and cap space and two picks. Adding G-League players who are ok. I can see an actual plan. I guess quibble over the Noah stretch but at least it's understandable after the fact.

I understand your argument. I don't really agree, but it's not without merit. However, at this point, I don't really care enough to get into detail. The rotations have been almost as bad this year, what was the thinking about Lee?, we pulled out hair out at the 1-year players having to be given playing time that should have gone to longer term contractees just so they could showcase themselves for contracts on other teams - so that we can keep in with agents or similar bull, the Beetiay???... etc, etc. I could go on, and on. But, :shrug:

[3toheadmelo]

signing crap players doesn’t mean anything.

also hopefully this means franks gets playing time to regain any value.

Acquiring point guard after point guard after point guard shows that the Knicks don’t have much faith in Frank. It’s clear as day

Acquiring PG after PG could mean they don't think he is a PG. To make the leap that because they are acquiring lots of PGs means they don't have faith in him as an overall player is a logical leap that doesn't make sense. Burke is also gone and Mudiay will be gone as well (just like when everyone was convinced we were re-signing Rose, no way Mudiay is back). That leaves DSJ who was a necessary asset to get back in the KP deal. There really hasn't been any indication they are looking to dump Frank.

We traded for DSJ. Another point guard who the Knicks have been interested in all season. Don’t see how Frank fits with us unless you are looking at him as a backup point right now and the Knicks don’t seem to view him as a point guard. Trier and Dotson seem to have the SG position locked up.
Frank is gone. Unless you want him as a SF.

Also the D rose point you brought up is moot. We canned Phil before he can resign him.

[Zenzibar]

Why deal Frank, when he's on a rookie deal, has elite defensive instincts, is extremely coachable, may still be growing and is a team first player.
Knicks' training staff performed a miracle with Mudiay's confidence and thus Mud is in line for a good long career in the NBA. If Frank were to get his confidence going on his offense, watch out!

This is why we don't deserve to win long term, so many Knicks fans say:
He won't get minutes, so just get rid of him...... Stop it! Frank is only 20, has had how many coaches already? Played with "get me the ball and get out of my way" Melo.

How many rookies could have developed properly under those circumstances? We now have a good young and supportive coach who's in sync with the front office's vision. Scott Perry has put together a great development structure that already is garnering accolades around the league, especially from young talented players.

Hey, at the WORST, if someone next year goes down, Frank is skilled enough to step in. BTW best case is that Frank Ntilikina along with Mitch may one day produce, what in my estimation, will be the best young defensive duo in the NBA.

[Phish Tank]

Why deal Frank, when he's on a rookie deal, has elite defensive instincts, is extremely coachable, may still be growing and is a team first player.
Knicks' training staff performed a miracle with Mudiay's confidence and thus Mud is in line for a good long career in the NBA. If Frank were to get his confidence going on his offense, watch out!

This is why we don't deserve to win long term, so many Knicks fans say:
He won't get minutes, so just get rid of him...... Stop it! Frank is only 20, has had how many coaches already? Played with "get me the ball and get out of my way" Melo.

How many rookies could have developed properly under those circumstances. We now have a good young and supportive coach who's in sync with the front office's vision. Scott Perry has put together a great development structure that already has produced accolades around the league and young talented players alike.

Hey, at the WORST, if someone next year goes down, Frank is skilled enough to step in. BTW best case is that Frank Ntilikina along with Mitch may one day produce, what in my estimation, will be the best young defensive duo in the NBA.

don't worry, Frank will clamp down the golden child Dennis Smith Jr and hold him to 4 points on 20% from the field and 0 dunks

[3toheadmelo]

Why deal Frank, when he's on a rookie deal, has elite defensive instincts, is extremely coachable, may still be growing and is a team first player.
Knicks' training staff performed a miracle with Mudiay's confidence and thus Mud is in line for a good long career in the NBA. If Frank were to get his confidence going on his offense, watch out!

This is why we don't deserve to win long term, so many Knicks fans say:
He won't get minutes, so just get rid of him...... Stop it! Frank is only 20, has had how many coaches already? Played with "get me the ball and get out of my way" Melo.

How many rookies could have developed properly under those circumstances. We now have a good young and supportive coach who's in sync with the front office's vision. Scott Perry has put together a great development structure that already has produced accolades around the league and young talented players alike.

Hey, at the WORST, if someone next year goes down, Frank is skilled enough to step in. BTW best case is that Frank Ntilikina along with Mitch may one day produce, what in my estimation, will be the best young defensive duo in the NBA.

don't worry, Frank will clamp down the golden child Dennis Smith Jr and hold him to 4 points on 20% from the field and 0 dunks

Your hate for DSJ is becoming at a obsessive level

[Phish Tank]

Why deal Frank, when he's on a rookie deal, has elite defensive instincts, is extremely coachable, may still be growing and is a team first player.
Knicks' training staff performed a miracle with Mudiay's confidence and thus Mud is in line for a good long career in the NBA. If Frank were to get his confidence going on his offense, watch out!

This is why we don't deserve to win long term, so many Knicks fans say:
He won't get minutes, so just get rid of him...... Stop it! Frank is only 20, has had how many coaches already? Played with "get me the ball and get out of my way" Melo.

How many rookies could have developed properly under those circumstances. We now have a good young and supportive coach who's in sync with the front office's vision. Scott Perry has put together a great development structure that already has produced accolades around the league and young talented players alike.

Hey, at the WORST, if someone next year goes down, Frank is skilled enough to step in. BTW best case is that Frank Ntilikina along with Mitch may one day produce, what in my estimation, will be the best young defensive duo in the NBA.

don't worry, Frank will clamp down the golden child Dennis Smith Jr and hold him to 4 points on 20% from the field and 0 dunks

Your hate for DSJ is becoming at a obsessive level

which is ironic to say since you still have a melo avi even though he left the knicks 2 years ago

[3toheadmelo]

don't worry, Frank will clamp down the golden child Dennis Smith Jr and hold him to 4 points on 20% from the field and 0 dunks

Your hate for DSJ is becoming at a obsessive level

which is ironic to say since you still have a melo avi even though he left the knicks 2 years ago

Having a avi of someone who played 7 years with us is equivalent to you trashing DSJ nonstop in every thread of the board? Lmaooo

I guess people with avis of former Knicks are obsessed with them too. go get some help my n*gga this ain’t healthy for you

[Phish Tank]

Your hate for DSJ is becoming at a obsessive level

which is ironic to say since you still have a melo avi even though he left the knicks 2 years ago

Having a avi of someone who played 7 years with us is equivalent to you trashing DSJ nonstop in every thread of the board? Lmaooo

I guess people with avis of former Knicks are obsessed with them too. go get some help my n*gga this ain’t healthy for you

having avis of legends are one thing. Keeping an avi of Melo is like someone still having a Gallinari avi or an Allan Houston avi. There's levels to former Knicks.

Let's make a deal: change your avi and user name and you won't see one more post from me about Dennis again except when he does something good

[3toheadmelo]

which is ironic to say since you still have a melo avi even though he left the knicks 2 years ago

Having a avi of someone who played 7 years with us is equivalent to you trashing DSJ nonstop in every thread of the board? Lmaooo

I guess people with avis of former Knicks are obsessed with them too. go get some help my n*gga this ain’t healthy for you

having avis of legends are one thing. Keeping an avi of Melo is like someone still having a Gallinari avi or an Allan Houston avi. There's levels to former Knicks.

I'll place a bet: change your avi and user name and you won't see one more post from me about Dennis again except when he does something good

LOL don’t try to this spin this and make it about me. And comparing Carmelo to Gallo is hilarious. I’m not even gonna respond to that and derail the thread.

Point is that you obsessed with hating on DSJ for some reason and it ain’t healthy for you.

You really telling me to change my avi and username so you can leave DSJ alone what’s wrong with you brah. DSJ turned down an autograph or something? What he do to you lmao

[mpharris36]

the chances you find a younger better defensive higher upside player in the mid to late 20's in the draft is slim to non...so whats the rush to trade him.

If its for a bigger piece and need the salary to match I would totally get that...for a simple swap of a late 1st rounder (just because you aren't the regime that drafted him). Is, for a lack of a better term, "stupid"

The rush to trade him is probably that his value could continue to tank. He may get better, but he may end up being just this guy.

meh his value is already well below what we picked him. A late 1st is a complete crap shoot. I can understand if we needed him in a bigger deal to make salaries match but his lottery ticket ceiling will be greater than any other player going in the late 1st round.

Just keep him at that point.

[thebuzzardman]

Good for you that you spin it to yourself so positively. I see a trail of errors through the Pills era, some fortune, some good opportunistic strikes (often playing catch up on the errors) and, more generally, a total lack of planning.

Now, I do agree that keeping well away from long term plans and simply acting in the moment as often as possible (which is kinda what Deeez Knicks praises in his reply to this post of yours) is/can be a very valid strategy. I personally typically don't love it - but I know that's just my aesthetic preference, nothing more.

The real question is are those small decisions adding up to something better than random. But probably the sample size isn't enough to call the Pills 'good' or 'bad' whatever the outcome this summer.

I sort of delineate from Mills to Perry.

I'm not giving any special credit to Phil. He screwed up several things.
I look at Mills as being in charge for a few months and he f*cked it totally, with Baker's deal, and of course, THJr.

Perry comes in and has to clean up. He's not perfect, but I'd say he's been more than solid.

Obviously, I wish there was better syncing of vision between him and the coach regarding tanking during the Jefe year, there it is.
Tank harder, play young guys sooner after KP goes down. It's not all roses. But especially starting this offseason, very solid. 1 year deals, trading KP for DSJr and cap space and two picks. Adding G-League players who are ok. I can see an actual plan. I guess quibble over the Noah stretch but at least it's understandable after the fact.

I understand your argument. I don't really agree, but it's not without merit. However, at this point, I don't really care enough to get into detail. The rotations have been almost as bad this year, what was the thinking about Lee?, we pulled out hair out at the 1-year players having to be given playing time that should have gone to longer term contractees just so they could showcase themselves for contracts on other teams - so that we can keep in with agents or similar bull, the Beetiay???... etc, etc. I could go on, and on. But, :shrug:

Well, yeah, some of that is coaching though. Not sure how much the coach and the FO sync up on things. I mean, they do - it's one of the reasons Fizzle was picked. But to that degree? Not sure.

[Phish Tank]

Having a avi of someone who played 7 years with us is equivalent to you trashing DSJ nonstop in every thread of the board? Lmaooo

I guess people with avis of former Knicks are obsessed with them too. go get some help my n*gga this ain’t healthy for you

having avis of legends are one thing. Keeping an avi of Melo is like someone still having a Gallinari avi or an Allan Houston avi. There's levels to former Knicks.

I'll place a bet: change your avi and user name and you won't see one more post from me about Dennis again except when he does something good

LOL don’t try to this spin this and make it about me. And comparing Carmelo to Gallo is hilarious. I’m not even gonna respond to that and derail the thread.

Point is that you obsessed with hating on DSJ for some reason and it ain’t healthy for you.

You really telling me to change my avi and username so you can leave DSJ alone what’s wrong with you brah. DSJ turned down an autograph or something? What he do to you lmao

he pouts, feels entitled to a starting role, stat pads..... that's what he's done.

You think I'm obsessed with DSJ, but you still got a Melo avi as if he's a Knick legend. Crazy

And you really think I'd ask for his autograph.... blasphemous

[3toheadmelo]

having avis of legends are one thing. Keeping an avi of Melo is like someone still having a Gallinari avi or an Allan Houston avi. There's levels to former Knicks.

I'll place a bet: change your avi and user name and you won't see one more post from me about Dennis again except when he does something good

LOL don’t try to this spin this and make it about me. And comparing Carmelo to Gallo is hilarious. I’m not even gonna respond to that and derail the thread.

Point is that you obsessed with hating on DSJ for some reason and it ain’t healthy for you.

You really telling me to change my avi and username so you can leave DSJ alone what’s wrong with you brah. DSJ turned down an autograph or something? What he do to you lmao

he pouts, feels entitled to a starting role, stat pads..... that's what he's done.

You think I'm obsessed with DSJ, but you still got a Melo avi as if he's a Knick legend. Crazy

And you really think I'd ask for his autograph.... blasphemous

Considering the fact that I’m not the first person to tell you to let it go, I think you gotta take a deeper look in the mirror fam.

And saying I’m obsessed with Carmelo because I have an avi of him is the biggest reach of 2019.

[magnumt]

Dudes, warning here: Stay on topic or get Suspended!

Also, who’s the **** fandom police here? If a guy wants to still like Melo, H20, etc. No one gives a fuq and no one has the right to tell them otherwise! Just don’t take over threads with said fandom and we cool.

—Mags

[Knicks Byke]

he wouldve been perfect for the triangle. hopefully he stays but i see him getting moved on draft night.

You need to be able to hit a jumper in the triangle. Frank just needs to improve before he’s a fit in any system.

the thing with Frank, it’s not mechanics it’s confidence. He definitely needs to man up out there.

[HarthorneWingo]

Dudes, warning here: Stay on topic or get Suspended!

Also, who’s the **** fandom police here? If a guy wants to still like Melo, H20, etc. No one gives a fuq and no one has the right to tell them otherwise! Just don’t take over threads with said fandom and we cool.

—Mags

No, let them keep going. That was entertaining!