OT: NFL Draft Thread

[Polk377]

Damn can't believe Giants got Beavers in the 6th round!!!! I thought for sure he was going late 2nd/early 3rd. /Great Value!

Any reason on why he fell to the 6th? I saw some people had him a lot higher than 182

I'm guessing it has to do with him being slow sideline to sideline. In the box as a read and react run stopper/blitzer, I think he is one of the best in the draft.

[blueNorange]

scouting reports for football players will forever be the most complicated

every report is like this:

pro's:

- explosive first step
- very strong and quick

cons:

- not athletic
- slow footed

[cgmw]

Damn can't believe Giants got Beavers in the 6th round!!!! I thought for sure he was going late 2nd/early 3rd. /Great Value!

Any reason on why he fell to the 6th? I saw some people had him a lot higher than 182

I'm guessing it has to do with him being slow sideline to sideline. In the box as a read and react run stopper/blitzer, I think he is one of the best in the draft.

Good to hear since they used a high 2nd round pick on a 175 lbs, 5'8 WR with a 4th-5th round grade despite already rostering Toney and Shepard.

[N Y K]

Just noticed that Chris Simms had Ruckert as his top TE this draft. I don't remember him as much from OSU because I was always watching those receivers, but such an awesome story either way:

Watch on YouTube

[Ray Williams]

Any reason on why he fell to the 6th? I saw some people had him a lot higher than 182

I'm guessing it has to do with him being slow sideline to sideline. In the box as a read and react run stopper/blitzer, I think he is one of the best in the draft.

Good to hear since they used a high 2nd round pick on a 175 lbs, 5'8 WR with a 4th-5th round grade despite already rostering Toney and Shepard.

I like that pick, I don’t get the don’t draft a small receiver since we already have one. If the kid is good, take him. We’ve had plenty of taller receivers that suck. And those draft grades don’t mean squat. Why is it a bad thing having him and Toney on the field at the same time? I think that combination with Golladay is going to give defenses fits.
I remember Washington winning a Super Bowl with receivers they called smurfs.

[cgmw]

I'm guessing it has to do with him being slow sideline to sideline. In the box as a read and react run stopper/blitzer, I think he is one of the best in the draft.

Good to hear since they used a high 2nd round pick on a 175 lbs, 5'8 WR with a 4th-5th round grade despite already rostering Toney and Shepard.

I like that pick, I don’t get the don’t draft a small receiver since we already have one. If the kid is good, take him. We’ve had plenty of taller receivers that suck. And those draft grades don’t mean squat. Why is it a bad thing having him and Toney on the field at the same time? I think that combination with Golladay is going to give defenses fits.
I remember Washington winning a Super Bowl with receivers they called smurfs.

I hope the kid is amazing. But 5’8, 175 isn’t just short. It’s historically small, so he’d better be an absolute freak. Just seems like they could have picked him in Rd 3-4 while filling a more pressing need in Rd 2.

Either way I love the intrigue of seeing whether 175# dude with short arms and tiny hands can succeed at WR. I have no doubt the kid is an electric athlete. Just saying, it was a reach.

[Juggynaut]

Was there ever a really good 5’8 wide receiver in the NFL? The best I can find are Steve Smith and Wes Welker, but they were both 5’9.

[Ray Williams]

Good to hear since they used a high 2nd round pick on a 175 lbs, 5'8 WR with a 4th-5th round grade despite already rostering Toney and Shepard.

I like that pick, I don’t get the don’t draft a small receiver since we already have one. If the kid is good, take him. We’ve had plenty of taller receivers that suck. And those draft grades don’t mean squat. Why is it a bad thing having him and Toney on the field at the same time? I think that combination with Golladay is going to give defenses fits.
I remember Washington winning a Super Bowl with receivers they called smurfs.

I hope the kid is amazing. But 5’8, 175 isn’t just short. It’s historically small, so he’d better be an absolute freak. Just seems like they could have picked him in Rd 3-4 while filling a more pressing need in Rd 2.

Either way I love the intrigue of seeing whether 175# dude with short arms and tiny hands can succeed at WR. I have no doubt the kid is an electric athlete. Just saying, it was a reach.

Looks like a freak to me.
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[mpharris36]

Was there ever a really good 5’8 wide receiver in the NFL? The best I can find are Steve Smith and Wes Welker, but they were both 5’9.

he's listed as 5'10 but everyone knows tyreke hill is under 5'10. Even he admitted it.

[KOA]

Darren Sproles at 5’6” was a phenomenal receiver out of the backfield. There’s no question Robinson would have been there in the later rounds though…

[MrDollarBills]

Updated Giants depth chart

https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants

On paper at least, i like what i see at OL.

[Polk377]

Good to hear since they used a high 2nd round pick on a 175 lbs, 5'8 WR with a 4th-5th round grade despite already rostering Toney and Shepard.

I like that pick, I don’t get the don’t draft a small receiver since we already have one. If the kid is good, take him. We’ve had plenty of taller receivers that suck. And those draft grades don’t mean squat. Why is it a bad thing having him and Toney on the field at the same time? I think that combination with Golladay is going to give defenses fits.
I remember Washington winning a Super Bowl with receivers they called smurfs.

I hope the kid is amazing. But 5’8, 175 isn’t just short. It’s historically small, so he’d better be an absolute freak. Just seems like they could have picked him in Rd 3-4 while filling a more pressing need in Rd 2.

Either way I love the intrigue of seeing whether 175# dude with short arms and tiny hands can succeed at WR. I have no doubt the kid is an electric athlete. Just saying, it was a reach.

Remember a guy named Steve Smith? Also 5'8 180 and had a similar playing style. That guy was a game changer wasn't he? Wes Welker? He was also 5'8. Robinson isn't being asked to go over the top of people and make spectacular catches. He is a shifty piece you can put anywhere who knows how to get separation and catch the ball. He wasnt playing with an NFL caliber QB that could hit him in stride at Kentucky. He is also someone you can hand the ball off to and create a play out of the backfield. The Giants have a plan for him in their offense that will improve the creativity of play designs and keep defenses off balance. A piece like that is worth a mid 2nd round pick.

[TerrenceClarke]

I wasn't feeling the pick and still a little leery but this probably the only video that I saw that made me feel better about the pick I saw over the weekend. This was put out the day before he was picked by us.....


Probably the best explanation of why the Giants picked him. Really good video. If this video is correct, then maybe maybe schoen is the smarter than everyone else.

Watch on YouTube

[mpharris36]

Darren Sproles at 5’6” was a phenomenal receiver out of the backfield. There’s no question Robinson would have been there in the later rounds though…

I don't think anyone can say that with any certainty. Maybe it was a reach but teams make "reaches" all the time, all it takes is for one other team to be interested. Thats why you pay your FO and simply don't draft off ESPN or NFL best available consensus boards.

If Daboll wanted this guy and thinks he will be a big time weapon in his system then you draft him. Whats to say KC with a late 2nd wouldn't have picked him to replace Tyreke Hill...you never know.

Louis Riddick loved the pick for what its worth.

[louisorr]

I'm guessing it has to do with him being slow sideline to sideline. In the box as a read and react run stopper/blitzer, I think he is one of the best in the draft.

Good to hear since they used a high 2nd round pick on a 175 lbs, 5'8 WR with a 4th-5th round grade despite already rostering Toney and Shepard.

I like that pick, I don’t get the don’t draft a small receiver since we already have one. If the kid is good, take him. We’ve had plenty of taller receivers that suck. And those draft grades don’t mean squat. Why is it a bad thing having him and Toney on the field at the same time? I think that combination with Golladay is going to give defenses fits.
I remember Washington winning a Super Bowl with receivers they called smurfs.

Duper and Clayton weren't big and they did alright together

[TerrenceClarke]

One thing I will say is that the later players drafted through the trade downs have to pan out. Cause if they dont that will determine if the passing on the high end players of the second round was worth it, the Giants basically had a soft first rounder with they second round pick.


Not only does Robinson have to be a stud, but he as to out perform the players we passed with trading back so many times, he cant just be avg, and the players picked with those pick have to produce or it was a bunch of wheeling and dealing for nothing.

[mpharris36]

One thing I will say is that the later players drafted through the trade downs have to pan out. Cause if they dont that will determine if the passing on the high end players of the second round was worth it, the Giants basically had a soft first rounder with they second round pick.


Not only does Robinson have to be a stud, but he as to out perform the players we passed with trading back so many times, he cant just be avg, and the players picked with those pick have to produce or it was a bunch of wheeling and dealing for nothing.

We shall see...once you get out of the top few picks the hit rates on a lot of these players are low.



Giants for sure need to hit more of our mid round picks that is a fact. Seems like Daboll really wanted this guy. And I do like for the first time we have a FO and coaching staff on the same page. Not just selecting guys but selecting guys the coaching staff with utilize and thrive in the system.


Flott looks like he can play too. And with the extra picks they traded down in 2nd round they got a LB and TE which they needed as well.

I know a lot of people were on Dean but he didn't get pick to the later 3rd round...something clearly was off with his medical.

[TerrenceClarke]

Also bringing up welker and smith is pointless cause 5'8 dudes have been proven to ball. But none have been taken with such a high second rounder at that point it becomes did we get the best value for robinson and I have to say no, as much as I want him to pan out. Smith was drafted in the third. Welker was undrafted. Tyreeke was drafted in the 5th.

So with Robinson it comes down to value of where he was taken.

[mpharris36]

Also bringing up welker and smith is pointless cause 5'8 dudes have been proven to ball. But none have been taken with such a high second rounder at that point it becomes did we get the best value for robinson and I have to say no, as much as I want him to pan out. Smith was drafted in the third. Welker was undrafted. Tyreeke was drafted in the 5th.

So with Robinson it comes down to value of where he was taken.

but the game has also changed. What the league values is different then when those guys were drafted

Smallish QB's would never be taken high years ago. Now height is rarely a factor for QB's. With offensive spreading out and going more horizontal than vertical. Its about getting your playmakers the ball in space and getting it out fast.

[TerrenceClarke]

Also bringing up welker and smith is pointless cause 5'8 dudes have been proven to ball. But none have been taken with such a high second rounder at that point it becomes did we get the best value for robinson and I have to say no, as much as I want him to pan out. Smith was drafted in the third. Welker was undrafted. Tyreeke was drafted in the 5th.

So with Robinson it comes down to value of where he was taken.

but the game has also changed. What the league values is different then when those guys were drafted

Smallish QB's would never be taken high years ago. Now height is rarely a factor for QB's. With offensive spreading out and going more horizontal than vertical. Its about getting your playmakers the ball in space and getting it out fast.

still doesn't mean much to me as that does not mean you start drafting them so high. Its basically the same thing with Barkley. We draft hi way to high. Is Barkley good player to have sure, but not where he was picked at.

The Odds of 5'8 WR's being successful is RARE in the NFL which is why people cant name to many people so that means 99% of them are nothing in the League. That to me holds more weight than anything. Again the dude can be drafted but no way can you slice it his value was there.

And regards to whom or what heigh is still a factor for QB, the smaller ones are rarely desirable over the taller ones. Thats a bad point. There is no trend of Tiny WRs being drafted so high my dude.