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Re: Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason! 

Post#1781 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:08 am

provecy15 wrote:
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provecy15 wrote:How I would approach this offseason: (outsider looking in)
1. Time to trade Randle. It's a weak draft, but still some decent players who could become stars. Package Randle + Smith +8th pick to Charlotte for Terry Rozier and the 3rd pick in the draft. The salary's closely match-up. Rozier becomes the new starting guard and forms a backcourt with Rj Barrett.

2. Draft Obi Toppin. He would't be your typical rookie. He;s 22 years old, has great energy and can stretch the D from 3. Also he's the NCAA player of the year. Why this guy isn't being talked about more as a top 3 pick is beyond me.

3. Sign Marc Gasol to a veteran's minimum. He's not what he used to be, but he still can stretch the D with his 3, and he could be a great mentor to Mitchell Robinson. He has a championship and has been an all-star. This is mainly a character move. Let Portis walk (club option)

4. 27th pick: Draft Elijah Hughes. Great shooter,great athleticism, and he played at Syracuse. Knows how to mix it up between playing man and zone.

5. Sign Danilo Gallinari. Bring him back. Pair him in the front court with Mitchell Robinson.

6. Trade Taj Gibson+ Elfrid Payton to Sacramento for Cory Joseph and Nemanja Bejilica. Sacramento needs backup PG to Fox, and could use a big to backup Bagely.

Now your team looks is a mixture of character, veterans, and still holding your young core together while adapting to the NBA of today. You also keep most of your cap flexibility

Robinson/Gasol
Gallinari/Bejilica
Toppin/Knox/Hughes
Barrett/Ellington/Bullock
Rozier/Joseph/Frank N.


Charlotte will not trade down to get Randle and Dennis.

Obi is a bad choice for #8. It's an awful choice for #3. And he is a PF (maybe lowball center).

Gasol is not taking the minimum to play for us. He might come back to Europe.

Hughes is a reach at #27.

Its a bad deal to take 10M Taj team option. Kings need cap relief. I would not be surprised if they just unload Bjelica for free. I would only take Cory Salary for a pick. And his style is quite similar to Frank.


If Obi Toppin was to fall to the Knicks at 8 ( which he won't because GM's know he's a top 3-5 talent), only the Knicks would not pick him. This guy is way more refined than Pascal Siakim was at the same stage of development, and might even be a better shooter right now. Pairing this guy with Rj Barrett, could be a dynamic combination for years to come. And this whole argument about playing 3 or 4...the NBA is essentially a position-less league. He's a high flyer, great motor, shoots 40% from 3, plus averages a steal and a block a game. If for some unforseen reason he's available at 8 and the Knicks don't pick him.....WOW. You really are cursed. SAS would lead a box-office rant the next day on First Take lol


Pascal had 5 less blocks his freshman year than Obi had in his two years combined, he's a better offensive player sure but Pascal is way ahead of him as a defender. When people say the NBA is position less they really mean that on offense, on defense though there are clear positions and you are what you can guard. With the way he moves it's unlikely that he'll be able to guard 3s, so he'll have to play the 4, and you need a good defender at the 4 in the NBA, that is the linchpin of a good defense. It's why so many teams play 3s there now, because the ability to switch or close out to shooters is very important. I don't know how good of a defender Obi can be, but he moves like Tobias Harris on that side of the ball which isn't really a good sign.
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Re: Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason! 

Post#1782 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:59 am

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WargamesX wrote:I still think the Knicks should just absorb Al Horford, for the #21 pick, then package #21, #27, and that Mavs 2023 top 10 protected pick for Suns pick #10 and Oubre in this draft. Then throw the 24 Mil left in money at FVV, finally sign Dotson with the MMLE.

Draft those two FSU studs Vassell and Patrick Williams and give Thibs a defensive first team to develop.


Sorry, Horford is one of the worst contracts in the NBA. We'd have to get a lot more than the 21 in a weak draft to absorb that.

I'd love get Horford though. I'd gladly accept a higher pick, but either him or Love I'd go after in a favorable deal.
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Post#1783 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:55 am

Trade Mitch and #8 to the GSW and #2, let Wooten and FA Baynes hold down the C position

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Post#1784 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:46 pm

I'd prefer building through the draft and with young free agents at the right time. But don't you think one of these teams could actually win the east?

Beal
Reddick
RJ+Frank
Grant
Mitch

or

Jrue
Beal
RJ+Frank
Grant
Mitch

or

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Beal
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Grant
Mitch
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Post#1785 » by moocow007 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:47 pm

If the Knicks can come out of this draft with something like Paul Reed and Grant Riller with the 27 and 38 picks that would be great for me. Competitive, great feel guys with high skill in specific aspects of the game.

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Post#1786 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:47 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Trade Mitch and #8 to the GSW and #2, let Wooten and FA Baynes hold down the C position

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Post#1787 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:50 pm

moocow007 wrote:If the Knicks can vote out of this draft with something like Paul Reed and Grant Riller with the 27 and 38 picks that would be great for me.

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Some of these top ten picks will pan out, it just won't be Lamelo. I wouldn't mind trading down either though, it seems like a major crapshoot to me
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Post#1788 » by DowNY » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:56 pm

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moocow007 wrote:If the Knicks can vote out of this draft with something like Paul Reed and Grant Riller with the 27 and 38 picks that would be great for me.

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Some of these top ten picks will pan out, it just won't be Lamelo. I wouldn't mind trading down either though, it seems like a major crapshoot to me

You have lottery numbers while you’re at it?
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Post#1789 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:04 pm

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moocow007 wrote:If the Knicks can vote out of this draft with something like Paul Reed and Grant Riller with the 27 and 38 picks that would be great for me.

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Some of these top ten picks will pan out, it just won't be Lamelo. I wouldn't mind trading down either though, it seems like a major crapshoot to me

You have lottery numbers while you’re at it?

I know all the things he can't and won't do. Like run fast, jump high, shoot threes, overpower or defend anybody at that level. His ball handling compares to the myth of Kurt Cobain being a legendary guitar talent: it's all hype, nothing there.
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Post#1790 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:10 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
provecy15 wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
Charlotte will not trade down to get Randle and Dennis.

Obi is a bad choice for #8. It's an awful choice for #3. And he is a PF (maybe lowball center).

Gasol is not taking the minimum to play for us. He might come back to Europe.

Hughes is a reach at #27.

Its a bad deal to take 10M Taj team option. Kings need cap relief. I would not be surprised if they just unload Bjelica for free. I would only take Cory Salary for a pick. And his style is quite similar to Frank.


If Obi Toppin was to fall to the Knicks at 8 ( which he won't because GM's know he's a top 3-5 talent), only the Knicks would not pick him. This guy is way more refined than Pascal Siakim was at the same stage of development, and might even be a better shooter right now. Pairing this guy with Rj Barrett, could be a dynamic combination for years to come. And this whole argument about playing 3 or 4...the NBA is essentially a position-less league. He's a high flyer, great motor, shoots 40% from 3, plus averages a steal and a block a game. If for some unforseen reason he's available at 8 and the Knicks don't pick him.....WOW. You really are cursed. SAS would lead a box-office rant the next day on First Take lol


Pascal had 5 less blocks his freshman year than Obi had in his two years combined, he's a better offensive player sure but Pascal is way ahead of him as a defender. When people say the NBA is position less they really mean that on offense, on defense though there are clear positions and you are what you can guard. With the way he moves it's unlikely that he'll be able to guard 3s, so he'll have to play the 4, and you need a good defender at the 4 in the NBA, that is the linchpin of a good defense. It's why so many teams play 3s there now, because the ability to switch or close out to shooters is very important. I don't know how good of a defender Obi can be, but he moves like Tobias Harris on that side of the ball which isn't really a good sign.

Toppin is not at all the talent Siakam is. Watch how Siakam moves, he's absolutely special.
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Post#1791 » by moocow007 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:31 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
provecy15 wrote:
If Obi Toppin was to fall to the Knicks at 8 ( which he won't because GM's know he's a top 3-5 talent), only the Knicks would not pick him. This guy is way more refined than Pascal Siakim was at the same stage of development, and might even be a better shooter right now. Pairing this guy with Rj Barrett, could be a dynamic combination for years to come. And this whole argument about playing 3 or 4...the NBA is essentially a position-less league. He's a high flyer, great motor, shoots 40% from 3, plus averages a steal and a block a game. If for some unforseen reason he's available at 8 and the Knicks don't pick him.....WOW. You really are cursed. SAS would lead a box-office rant the next day on First Take lol


Pascal had 5 less blocks his freshman year than Obi had in his two years combined, he's a better offensive player sure but Pascal is way ahead of him as a defender. When people say the NBA is position less they really mean that on offense, on defense though there are clear positions and you are what you can guard. With the way he moves it's unlikely that he'll be able to guard 3s, so he'll have to play the 4, and you need a good defender at the 4 in the NBA, that is the linchpin of a good defense. It's why so many teams play 3s there now, because the ability to switch or close out to shooters is very important. I don't know how good of a defender Obi can be, but he moves like Tobias Harris on that side of the ball which isn't really a good sign.

Toppin is not at all the talent Siakam is. Watch how Siakam moves, he's absolutely special.
Yeah Toppin is most definitely not Siakam. Toppins ability to dunk for some reason makes people think that he's agile and fluid. He's most definitely not. He's stiff legged and doesn't move well from side to side. Its a big part of why his defense is not up to snuff and why he may be best as a small ball center.

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Post#1792 » by Richard4444 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:16 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Trade Mitch and #8 to the GSW and #2, let Wooten and FA Baynes hold down the C position

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Ok. But what will the players throw in the basket?
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Post#1793 » by DowNY » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:20 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
provecy15 wrote:
If Obi Toppin was to fall to the Knicks at 8 ( which he won't because GM's know he's a top 3-5 talent), only the Knicks would not pick him. This guy is way more refined than Pascal Siakim was at the same stage of development, and might even be a better shooter right now. Pairing this guy with Rj Barrett, could be a dynamic combination for years to come. And this whole argument about playing 3 or 4...the NBA is essentially a position-less league. He's a high flyer, great motor, shoots 40% from 3, plus averages a steal and a block a game. If for some unforseen reason he's available at 8 and the Knicks don't pick him.....WOW. You really are cursed. SAS would lead a box-office rant the next day on First Take lol


Pascal had 5 less blocks his freshman year than Obi had in his two years combined, he's a better offensive player sure but Pascal is way ahead of him as a defender. When people say the NBA is position less they really mean that on offense, on defense though there are clear positions and you are what you can guard. With the way he moves it's unlikely that he'll be able to guard 3s, so he'll have to play the 4, and you need a good defender at the 4 in the NBA, that is the linchpin of a good defense. It's why so many teams play 3s there now, because the ability to switch or close out to shooters is very important. I don't know how good of a defender Obi can be, but he moves like Tobias Harris on that side of the ball which isn't really a good sign.

Toppin is not at all the talent Siakam is. Watch how Siakam moves, he's absolutely special.

Siakam is overrated
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Post#1795 » by nyk2017 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:28 am

What are the chances Rose can pull off this trade:

NYK: Buddy Hield

Sac: Randle

If needed we can throw in Knox, but we shouldn't need to. Sacramento should be looking to shed salary. Hield could do well as a scorer for the Knicks.
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Post#1796 » by the_antz_nest » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:13 am

nyk2017 wrote:What are the chances Rose can pull off this trade:

NYK: Buddy Hield

Sac: Randle

If needed we can throw in Knox, but we shouldn't need to. Sacramento should be looking to shed salary. Hield could do well as a scorer for the Knicks.


We might need to throw in a 2nd or future 2nds...
don’t think it gets done straight up. Weird to say but knox is to much of an assest to throw in even with how poor he has been. If knox is in maybe a future pick swap or 2nd coming from them back to us
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Post#1797 » by spree2kawhi » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:19 am

the_antz_nest wrote:
nyk2017 wrote:What are the chances Rose can pull off this trade:

NYK: Buddy Hield

Sac: Randle

If needed we can throw in Knox, but we shouldn't need to. Sacramento should be looking to shed salary. Hield could do well as a scorer for the Knicks.


We might need to throw in a 2nd or future 2nds...
don’t think it gets done straight up. Weird to say but knox is to much of an assest to throw in even with how poor he has been. If knox is in maybe a future pick swap or 2nd coming from them back to us

Would be an awesome trade for us and I'd even include Knox. We'd still be lacking star power and he doesn't make things easier on defense, but we could still go get an All Star for the PG or either forward position. Buddy could contribute to winning teams if you've got smart players around him. He's not a first option though.
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Post#1798 » by blanko » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:36 am

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jbk1234 wrote:If Ball or Edwards fell to No. 5, would you all trade the 2021 Dallas pick to move up?

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Post#1799 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:44 am

moocow007 wrote:If the Knicks can come out of this draft with something like Paul Reed and Grant Riller with the 27 and 38 picks that would be great for me. Competitive, great feel guys with high skill in specific aspects of the game.

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No Desmond Bane? Or are you selecting him at no. 8?
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Post#1800 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:46 am

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jbk1234 wrote:If Ball or Edwards fell to No. 5, would you all trade the 2021 Dallas pick to move up?

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Only for Edwards, maybe. I'd much rather trade down for multiple picks in the 10-25 range.
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