2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 6) -LOTTO 8/20 DRAFT 10/16!

[knickstape4ever]

OKC's 1st rounder is increasingly likely to go to the 76ers, who have the highest payroll next season (as of now); another team that should be targeted in a salary dump + pick trade

[Worst_to_First]

OKC's 1st rounder is increasingly likely to go to the 76ers, who have the highest payroll next season (as of now); another team that should be targeted in a salary dump + pick trade

They should cough up more than that though for anyone to take on Al Horford’s contract.

Tobias Harris extremely expensive at $34mil as well with it going up to $39mil for 2023/24.

[knickstape4ever]

OKC's 1st rounder is increasingly likely to go to the 76ers, who have the highest payroll next season (as of now); another team that should be targeted in a salary dump + pick trade

They should cough up more than that though for anyone to take on Al Horford’s contract.

Tobias Harris extremely expensive at $34mil as well with it going up to $39mil for 2023/24.

I wouldn't touch the Horford contract (not unless they were offering like 3 unprotected 1sts)

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at 15.1M over the tax, 76ers get taxed $3.25 for every dollar over the cap; they can lower themselves a tax bracket (to $2.5 tax rate) if they dip under 15M over the cap

Looking at their roster, Mike Scott at 5M (expiring) seems like an expendable piece

If my math/understanding of the cap is correct, at the current tax rate, his 5M contract is = to 16.25M.

-at the $3.25 tax rate, they'd be in-line to pay ~49M in luxury tax.
-by trading Scott—thus moving down a tax bracket—they'd pay ~25M in tax

if this is correct, by trading Soctt, the 76ers would save ~24M

[Worst_to_First]

OKC's 1st rounder is increasingly likely to go to the 76ers, who have the highest payroll next season (as of now); another team that should be targeted in a salary dump + pick trade

They should cough up more than that though for anyone to take on Al Horford’s contract.

Tobias Harris extremely expensive at $34mil as well with it going up to $39mil for 2023/24.

I wouldn't touch the Horford contract (not unless they were offering like 3 unprotected 1sts)

Posted this before:

at 15.1M over the tax, 76ers get taxed $3.25 for every dollar over the cap; they can lower themselves a tax bracket (to $2.5 tax rate) if they dip under 15M over the cap

Looking at their roster, Mike Scott at 5M (expiring) seems like an expendable piece

If my math/understanding of the cap is correct, at the current tax rate, his 5M contract is = to 16.25M.

-at the $3.25 tax rate, they'd be in-line to pay ~49M in luxury tax.
-by trading Scott—thus moving down a tax bracket—they'd pay ~25M in tax

if this is correct, by trading Soctt, the 76ers would save ~24M

This is great stuff thanks! Agree with you on Horford.

I don’t think Sixers need to attach a first rounder to get rid of Mike Scott though.

[Deeeez Knicks]

OKC's 1st rounder is increasingly likely to go to the 76ers, who have the highest payroll next season (as of now); another team that should be targeted in a salary dump + pick trade

They should cough up more than that though for anyone to take on Al Horford’s contract.

Tobias Harris extremely expensive at $34mil as well with it going up to $39mil for 2023/24.

I wouldn't touch the Horford contract (not unless they were offering like 3 unprotected 1sts)

Posted this before:

at 15.1M over the tax, 76ers get taxed $3.25 for every dollar over the cap; they can lower themselves a tax bracket (to $2.5 tax rate) if they dip under 15M over the cap

Looking at their roster, Mike Scott at 5M (expiring) seems like an expendable piece

If my math/understanding of the cap is correct, at the current tax rate, his 5M contract is = to 16.25M.

-at the $3.25 tax rate, they'd be in-line to pay ~49M in luxury tax.
-by trading Scott—thus moving down a tax bracket—they'd pay ~25M in tax

if this is correct, by trading Soctt, the 76ers would save ~24M

Yea, Horford was such a bad signing for them. I wouldnt touch that contract unless they throw us a ton of picks.

[3toheadmelo]

Damnit. Jared Butler not staying in the draft

[newyorker4ever]

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I like Cole but i don't think Brickley understands that even the people that don't want us to draft him aren't saying he doesn't have the mindset to turn on a legit explosiveness. He's proven he can be explosive. It's about his running a NBA offense and his passing/vision and his defense that people are questioning. I mean i have worries with him but if we're picking at 8 or lower then i have no issues with drafting him.

[newyorker4ever]

OKC's 1st rounder is increasingly likely to go to the 76ers, who have the highest payroll next season (as of now); another team that should be targeted in a salary dump + pick trade

I want M.Thybulle. I like F.Korkmaz as well and Shake Milton but i definitely wouldn't take on any of thos bad contracts for just Milton cause it's easy to find players like him, or easier anyway. I want Thybulle.

[robillionaire]

Damnit. Jared Butler not staying in the draft

Probably found out there was a good chance he wasn’t going to get drafted

[moocow007]

Damnit. Jared Butler not staying in the draft

Probably found out there was a good chance he wasn’t going to get drafted

He's a borderline 2nd round pick.

[knickstape4ever]

Damnit. Jared Butler not staying in the draft

Probably found out there was a good chance he wasn’t going to get drafted

He's a borderline 2nd round pick.

idk about that. ESPN has him #46, Jonathan Wasserman of B/R has him at #28, Sam Vecenie of the Athletic has him at #46, the Ringer had him at #40. Yes theses are just media projections, but combine his skill level w/ the fact that he was the leading scorer on a top 5 college team

seemed like he was squarely in the 2nd round mix. also he has a nice game; maybe not a starter but good potential as a rotational guard: great shooter, great handle, solid defender

[moocow007]

Probably found out there was a good chance he wasn’t going to get drafted

He's a borderline 2nd round pick.

idk about that. ESPN has him #46, Jonathan Wasserman of B/R has him at #28, Sam Vecenie of the Athletic has him at #46, the Ringer had him at #40. Yes theses are just media projections, but combine his skill level w/ the fact that he was the leading scorer on a top 5 college team

seemed like he was squarely in the 2nd round mix. also he has a nice game; maybe not a starter but good potential as a rotational guard: great shooter, great handle, solid defender

He's 6'3" SG that can't create his own shot consistently in college (ergo why his FG% so so low). And with his size there's questions about that defense of his especially against much bigger and faster NBA SG's...if you peg him as a SG. If you switch him to the point his court awareness and PG skills are raw, and he lacks the quickness that would qualify him as a potential plus defender against NBA PG's.

Yes, I think his 3 point shooting should translate to a good degree (despite being short, his shot is solid and consistent) but short solid 3 point shooting SG's with raw PG skills and lacking top shelf athleticism or quickness which may limit his shot creation and defensive capabilities in the NBA aren't in high demand are they? The handle doesn't matter if you can't create shots (for yourself or others) at the NBA level.

He'd be better suited as a situation shooter off the bench on a team that has an established defensive system unless he show's some point guard skills. That's why he's a borderline 2nd round pick. He may get one of the top teams to take a shot on him late in the 2nd round. But this draft does have a lot of similar type guys (solid team players that are smart and can play some focused roll that could fit into those types of teams). This draft may not have the premium talent at the top like many other drafts, but it's a deeper one than most. And guys like Butler are on the bubble IMO.

That's likely why he went back...I would assume. He could go 45, 46, but he also could go undrafted (I've seen a couple mocks that have him on the outside looking in). He's not FVV as I've heard some guys try to comp him to.

[knickstape4ever]

He's a borderline 2nd round pick.

idk about that. ESPN has him #46, Jonathan Wasserman of B/R has him at #28, Sam Vecenie of the Athletic has him at #46, the Ringer had him at #40. Yes theses are just media projections, but combine his skill level w/ the fact that he was the leading scorer on a top 5 college team

seemed like he was squarely in the 2nd round mix. also he has a nice game; maybe not a starter but good potential as a rotational guard: great shooter, great handle, solid defender

He's 6'3" SG that can't create his own shot consistently in college (ergo why his FG% so so low). And with his size there's questions about that defense of his especially against much bigger and faster NBA SG's...if you peg him as a SG. If you switch him to the point his court awareness and PG skills are raw, and he lacks the quickness that would qualify him as a potential plus defender against NBA PG's.

Yes, I think his 3 point shooting should translate to a good degree (despite being short, his shot is solid and consistent) but short solid 3 point shooting SG's with raw PG skills and lacking top shelf athleticism or quickness which may limit his shot creation and defensive capabilities in the NBA aren't in high demand are they? The handle doesn't matter if you can't create shots (for yourself or others) at the NBA level.

He'd be better suited as a situation shooter off the bench on a team that has an established defensive system unless he show's some point guard skills. That's why he's a borderline 2nd round pick. He may get one of the top teams to take a shot on him late in the 2nd round. But this draft does have a lot of similar type guys (solid team players that are smart and can play some focused roll that could fit into those types of teams). This draft may not have the premium talent at the top like many other drafts, but it's a deeper one than most. And guys like Butler are on the bubble IMO.

That's likely why he went back...I would assume. He could go 45, 46, but he also could go undrafted (I've seen a couple mocks that have him on the outside looking in). He's not FVV as I've heard some guys try to comp him to.

does he have limitations to his game, absolutely, otherwise we wouldnt be talking about a 2nd round pick, but IMO his strengths: shooting, being secondary ball-handler.

sure, maybe he's just a backup PG, but his shooting should translate, and he's a great shooter. he may be a bit undersized, but that's not really a big issue in today's NBA, there are plenty of 6'3 SG's in the game (and he has the ability to play the point in backup role)

here are some stats/rankings:
0.56 points per one-on-one possession [79th percentile]
0.99 points per pick and roll possession [91st percentile]
1.01 points per pull-up jump shot in the half court [89th percentile]
1.22 points per catch and shoot jump shot in the half court [87th percentile]

Ranked 2nd in the Big XII in pick and roll scoring (4.7 ppg)
Ranked 2nd in the Big XII in hand off scoring (1.0 ppg)
Ranked 5th in the Big XII in off screen scoring (1.6 ppg)

from the reputable draft analysts I've seen, Butler was squarely in the early-mid 2nd round range, while is ultimately where I think he would have gone. Don't see how he would go undrafted

"A few players have really stood out with teams during the interview and background-gathering process so far. This isn’t a comprehensive list by any stretch, but a few names have come up consistently in my conversations with scouts and executives on the team side....He (Butler) has been a fun interview for teams so far, with a personality that is seen as infectious and charismatic. He’s made an impression on teams, although I don’t think he’s likely to hear his name called in the first round if he decides to stay in."

-via the Athletic

[knickstape4ever]

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intriguing prospect, might go undrafted, unless a team uses a late 2nd to stash him

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great size/length, solid handle, good passer, active defender; shot needs some work, but looks like he has natural touch

[Garbagelo]

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intriguing prospect, might go undrafted, unless a team uses a late 2nd to stash him

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great size/length, solid handle, good passer, active defender; shot needs some work, but looks like he has natural touch

looks like Bogdan Bogdanovic

[knickstape4ever]

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intriguing prospect, might go undrafted, unless a team uses a late 2nd to stash him

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great size/length, solid handle, good passer, active defender; shot needs some work, but looks like he has natural touch

looks like Bogdan Bogdanovic

3toheadmelo said the same

someone I'd definitely consider using a 2-way contract on, if the shot continues to improve, I really like his potential

[Garbagelo]

Cole Anthony sucks

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Watch this, entire season of highlights, could count on 1 hand the amount of times he cleanly took someone off the dribble to the rim without a screen. For a short guy, this is a huge red flag. Would not be surprised to see him not get a 2nd contract in the NBA.

He would be actually be an intriguing player if he was 6 foot 6

[newyorker4ever]

Damnit. Jared Butler not staying in the draft

Probably found out there was a good chance he wasn’t going to get drafted

I gotta think he would of been drafted but would of been hard for him to go in the 1st round. somewhere in the high to mid 2nd round IMO.

[TheGreenArrow]

Lamelo ball folks Lamelo ball!!!!

[Thepaintismine]

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intriguing prospect, might go undrafted, unless a team uses a late 2nd to stash him

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great size/length, solid handle, good passer, active defender; shot needs some work, but looks like he has natural touch

Wow, man gots talent. Not sure of dat league though. Gimme dem team playa's! Maybe we buy a late 2.