Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread

[kNicksGmen]

everyone reposting that one guys report which is pure speculation from "experts" no insider sources. he's the same guy that said OG could go to the sixers lmao

"he could get 80-100" ok everyone already knows that - the question is what team actually wants him enough to pay that and is it enough to convince ihart to leave a great situation.

i still think OKC doesn't make any sense other than chet being potentially injury prone. even then they are a historically cheap franchise that isn't going to give 100 mil for a backup center when they have to give max deals to their young stars in a year or 2.

[mademan]

iHart is staying. If another team offers him $80m or even $90m vs our $72m, I think he stays. iHart wasn't really great for us in the playoffs TBH although he was really good in the 2nd half of the regular season so if he wants to bounce for a contract over $72m, then I can live with that because it's probably an overpay.

Ihart would absolutely be insane to turn down an extra 18 mill. He's made a total of 13mill in his career and this very well could be his only big contract. Money isnt everything, but thats a lot to turn down for a guy who hasnt made much in his career (NBA relative standards) and who very well might never have this opportunity again.

[sol537]

iHart is staying. If another team offers him $80m or even $90m vs our $72m, I think he stays. iHart wasn't really great for us in the playoffs TBH although he was really good in the 2nd half of the regular season so if he wants to bounce for a contract over $72m, then I can live with that because it's probably an overpay.

Ihart would absolutely be insane to turn down an extra 18 mill. He's made a total of 13mill in his career and this very well could be his only big contract. Money isnt everything, but thats a lot to turn down for a guy who hasnt made much in his career (NBA relative standards) and who very well might never have this opportunity again.

We don't have to wait that long to find out... thankfully

[mademan]

iHart is staying. If another team offers him $80m or even $90m vs our $72m, I think he stays. iHart wasn't really great for us in the playoffs TBH although he was really good in the 2nd half of the regular season so if he wants to bounce for a contract over $72m, then I can live with that because it's probably an overpay.

Ihart would absolutely be insane to turn down an extra 18 mill. He's made a total of 13mill in his career and this very well could be his only big contract. Money isnt everything, but thats a lot to turn down for a guy who hasnt made much in his career (NBA relative standards) and who very well might never have this opportunity again.

We don't have to wait that long to find out... thankfully

Im not sure he even gets the offer. I think OKC is a possibility and maybe the Spurs if they wanna play Wemby at PF and theyre looking to be competitive right away.

Not a lot of teams need C's, so the market might not even be there to worry Rose. Im just saying, he'd be crazy to turn it down if it was offered.

[Fury]

iHart is staying. If another team offers him $80m or even $90m vs our $72m, I think he stays. iHart wasn't really great for us in the playoffs TBH although he was really good in the 2nd half of the regular season so if he wants to bounce for a contract over $72m, then I can live with that because it's probably an overpay.

Ihart would absolutely be insane to turn down an extra 18 mill. He's made a total of 13mill in his career and this very well could be his only big contract. Money isnt everything, but thats a lot to turn down for a guy who hasnt made much in his career (NBA relative standards) and who very well might never have this opportunity again.

We don't have to wait that long to find out... thankfully

By what date should we know?

[navyblue]

Ihart would absolutely be insane to turn down an extra 18 mill. He's made a total of 13mill in his career and this very well could be his only big contract. Money isnt everything, but thats a lot to turn down for a guy who hasnt made much in his career (NBA relative standards) and who very well might never have this opportunity again.

We don't have to wait that long to find out... thankfully

By what date should we know?

teams are allowed to talk to own free agents once finals is over. (Not sure if they are allowed to agree to deal or just talk)

Otherwise June 30 6pm when he can start talking (officially) to other teams.

[sol537]

A team may or may not offer iHart more money... but can any other team offer him...

IMMACULATE VIBES!

*the answer is no

[KnixinSix]

Pistons part ways with Troy Weaver

Someone was reporting if he goes guys from the Pistons may come available right?

Could be big news if true....

Knicks wanted Jayden Ivey pretty badly that draft and could put a pretty decent size package for him.

Of course there is Cade too but doubt Detroit would part with him but who knows.

[TrueWarrior]

Isaiah is the best free agent center this year. He’s not perfect but some of our fans still underrate him apparently.

He just turned 26 a few weeks ago with little mileage, does a lot of things well to elite on both ends, and still has potential. Losing him would be a huge blow to our team. We would have been screwed this season without him.

Other teams will see his great advanced stats and room for growth and happily offer him 20+ mill a year. We’ll just have to see how much he likes it here. He’s in a nice situation, but he could want a bigger offensive role elsewhere too besides only more money.

Mitch cant physically handle more than 18-24 mpg, so somebody has to play the rest of the C minutes, and even if he could he has way too many glaring holes in his game. No offense outside of lane clogging rebounds and open dunks, and his perimeter D isnt good. He played Embiid well, but it’s partly because they’re both big and lumbering. Mitch has basically turned into more of a specialist these days, which is fine off the bench but not as a starter.

[sol537]

Isaiah is the best free agent center this year. He’s not perfect but some of our fans still underrate him apparently.

He just turned 26 a few weeks ago with little mileage, does a lot of things well (even elite) on both ends, and still has potential. Losing him would be a huge blow to our team. We would have been screwed this season without him.

Other teams will see his great advanced stats and room for growth and happily offer him 20+ mill a year. We’ll just have to see how much he likes it here. He’s in a nice situation here, but he could want a bigger offensive role elsewhere.

Mitch cant physically handle more than 18-24 mpg, so somebody has to play the rest of the C minutes, and even if he could he has way too many glaring holes in his game. No offense outside of lane clogging rebounds and open dunks, and his perimeter D isnt good. He played Embiid well, but it’s partly because they’re both big and lumbering. Mitch has basically turned into more of a specialist these days, which is fine off the bench but not as a starter.

Agreed. It would be an impactful loss though not insurmountable if we could find someone who does some things better. Mavs found Lively after the 10th pick, after all…

[G_K_F]

Pistons part ways with Troy Weaver

Someone was reporting if he goes guys from the Pistons may come available right?

Could be big news if true....

Knicks wanted Jayden Ivey pretty badly that draft and could put a pretty decent size package for him.

Of course there is Cade too but doubt Detroit would part with him but who knows.

I would trade for Isiah Stewart to back up Hartenstein. Gritty guy who fits in with the team and can be our enforcer.

Mitch Rob needs to say farewell this summer. We already have one Mr. Glass in OG. No need for a less talented one.

[TrueWarrior]

Isaiah is the best free agent center this year. He’s not perfect but some of our fans still underrate him apparently.

He just turned 26 a few weeks ago with little mileage, does a lot of things well (even elite) on both ends, and still has potential. Losing him would be a huge blow to our team. We would have been screwed this season without him.

Other teams will see his great advanced stats and room for growth and happily offer him 20+ mill a year. We’ll just have to see how much he likes it here. He’s in a nice situation here, but he could want a bigger offensive role elsewhere.

Mitch cant physically handle more than 18-24 mpg, so somebody has to play the rest of the C minutes, and even if he could he has way too many glaring holes in his game. No offense outside of lane clogging rebounds and open dunks, and his perimeter D isnt good. He played Embiid well, but it’s partly because they’re both big and lumbering. Mitch has basically turned into more of a specialist these days, which is fine off the bench but not as a starter.

Agreed. It would be an impactful loss though not insurmountable if we could find someone who does some things better. Mavs found Lively after the 10th pick, after all…

If getting a legit starting center was so easy we wouldn’t have gone like 10 years without one.

I joined here in the dark undersized days after Camby and before Tyson. Then we got Mitch years after Tyson who looked promising, but just hasnt developed and cant stay healthy.

Camby, Tyson, and Mitch were all great defenders, but offered little on offense outside of dunks. Isaiah is a hell of a passer, got the floater, and has potential as a shooter, all while being top notch as a rebounder and defender himself. This was his first year starting, and he did a damn fine job even while dealing with an injury.

Who are we going to get to replace Isaiah? A 25th pick in a weak draft? Of course it’s possible as Isaiah and Mitch were 2nd rounders themselves, but they are the exception clearly.

[sol537]

Isaiah is the best free agent center this year. He’s not perfect but some of our fans still underrate him apparently.

He just turned 26 a few weeks ago with little mileage, does a lot of things well (even elite) on both ends, and still has potential. Losing him would be a huge blow to our team. We would have been screwed this season without him.

Other teams will see his great advanced stats and room for growth and happily offer him 20+ mill a year. We’ll just have to see how much he likes it here. He’s in a nice situation here, but he could want a bigger offensive role elsewhere.

Mitch cant physically handle more than 18-24 mpg, so somebody has to play the rest of the C minutes, and even if he could he has way too many glaring holes in his game. No offense outside of lane clogging rebounds and open dunks, and his perimeter D isnt good. He played Embiid well, but it’s partly because they’re both big and lumbering. Mitch has basically turned into more of a specialist these days, which is fine off the bench but not as a starter.

Agreed. It would be an impactful loss though not insurmountable if we could find someone who does some things better. Mavs found Lively after the 10th pick, after all…

If getting a legit starting center was so easy we wouldn’t have gone like 10 years without one.

I joined here in the dark undersized days after Camby and before Tyson. Then we got Mitch years after Tyson who looked promising, but just hasnt developed and cant stay healthy.

Camby, Tyson, and Mitch were all great defenders, but offered little on offense outside of dunks. Isaiah is a hell of a passer, got the floater, and has potential as a shooter, all while being top notch as a rebounder and defender himself.

Who are we going to get to replace Isaiah? A 25th pick in a weak draft? Of course it’s possible as Isaiah and Mitch were 2nd rounders themselves, but they are the exception clearly.

We did sign iHart away from the clippers so maybe there’s another gem out there… MLE signing, trades using Mitch/Bogs, trades using picks, drafting a center, etc… there are ways… This front office has contingencies in place no doubt.

[TrueWarrior]

Agreed. It would be an impactful loss though not insurmountable if we could find someone who does some things better. Mavs found Lively after the 10th pick, after all…

If getting a legit starting center was so easy we wouldn’t have gone like 10 years without one.

I joined here in the dark undersized days after Camby and before Tyson. Then we got Mitch years after Tyson who looked promising, but just hasnt developed and cant stay healthy.

Camby, Tyson, and Mitch were all great defenders, but offered little on offense outside of dunks. Isaiah is a hell of a passer, got the floater, and has potential as a shooter, all while being top notch as a rebounder and defender himself.

Who are we going to get to replace Isaiah? A 25th pick in a weak draft? Of course it’s possible as Isaiah and Mitch were 2nd rounders themselves, but they are the exception clearly.

We did sign iHart away from the clippers so maybe there’s another gem out there… MLE signing, trades using Mitch/Bogs, trades using picks, drafting a center, etc… there are ways… This front office has contingencies in place no doubt.

Sure, but who?

Look around the league. What attainable under the radar center gems are there? I looked and there isn’t much, and none better than Isaiah who we know already fits.

We got Mitch so we dont need another pure rim runner. Isaiah is more than that, and can still get better.

Whatever happens happens though. Isaiah took a 2 year deal knowing we wouldnt have his full bird rights. We can still offer him 18 mill a year, which is a very fine offer, but he can easily get 20-25 with the new CBA and cap hikes coming. If he goes we’ll just have to have faith we can strike gold again.

[DaGawd]

Pistons part ways with Troy Weaver

Someone was reporting if he goes guys from the Pistons may come available right?

Could be big news if true....

Knicks wanted Jayden Ivey pretty badly that draft and could put a pretty decent size package for him.

Of course there is Cade too but doubt Detroit would part with him but who knows.

ivey has a ways to go before he’s an impact nba player, the knicks are in a different stage of progression now than they were when he was coming out of the draft, no room for projects

[KnixinSix]

Pistons part ways with Troy Weaver

Someone was reporting if he goes guys from the Pistons may come available right?

Could be big news if true....

Knicks wanted Jayden Ivey pretty badly that draft and could put a pretty decent size package for him.

Of course there is Cade too but doubt Detroit would part with him but who knows.

ivey has a ways to go before he’s an impact nba player, the knicks are in a different stage of progression now than they were when he was coming out of the draft, no room for projects

Ivey also has great 2 way elite potential and would have infinitely better coaching here. He's going into year 3 so he has 2 years of NBA experience and wouldn't need to be a beast for us but to start be a solid player as a combo guard and Brunson back up. We tried to trade for him and probably love his fit in Thibs offense. The trajectory is sky high too.

[HarthorneWingo]

Isaiah is the best free agent center this year. He’s not perfect but some of our fans still underrate him apparently.

He just turned 26 a few weeks ago with little mileage, does a lot of things well (even elite) on both ends, and still has potential. Losing him would be a huge blow to our team. We would have been screwed this season without him.

Other teams will see his great advanced stats and room for growth and happily offer him 20+ mill a year. We’ll just have to see how much he likes it here. He’s in a nice situation here, but he could want a bigger offensive role elsewhere.

Mitch cant physically handle more than 18-24 mpg, so somebody has to play the rest of the C minutes, and even if he could he has way too many glaring holes in his game. No offense outside of lane clogging rebounds and open dunks, and his perimeter D isnt good. He played Embiid well, but it’s partly because they’re both big and lumbering. Mitch has basically turned into more of a specialist these days, which is fine off the bench but not as a starter.

Agreed. It would be an impactful loss though not insurmountable if we could find someone who does some things better. Mavs found Lively after the 10th pick, after all…

Found this article on Posting and Toasting that does a nice job of summarizing the Hartenstein situation.

https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2024/5/29/24167122/knicks-isaiah-hartenstein-poised-for-big-payday-after-career-year

Stepping up after Mitchell Robinson was derailed by an ankle injury, Isaiah Hartenstein distinguished himself as a dominant center for the New York Knicks this season. The league took notice as he averaged a career-high 8.3 rebounds, 7.8 points, and 2.5 assists in 75 games, starting 49 of them, and logged a 108.1 defensive rating. With his contract expiring this summer, the 26-year-old free agent stands to collect a meaty new deal as a reward for his efforts.

Hartenstein signed a 2-year, $16M contract on July 12, 2022. Now he’s in line to at least double that figure. Per Fred Katz of The Athletic, “Because of a quirk in the collective bargaining agreement, which gives the Knicks only Hartenstein’s early Bird rights, the team’s offer to him cannot include a starting salary above $16.1 million — and some of that money must be in incentives.” Other teams can offer similar money for shorter deals, which makes the Knicks vulnerable to losing their seven-foot anchor.

Re-signing Isaiah Hartenstein would not only be for his defense, floater, or passing abilities, all of which are excellent. He also has tremendous chemistry with Jalen Brunson in the Knicks’ pick-and-roll offense. Per Katz, the team scored 1.25 points per possession when Brunson and Hartenstein ran pick-and-rolls, making them the third-most efficient duo in the NBA. Hartenstein’s ability to set screens and create opportunities for Brunson transformed the Knicks’ offense—and highlighted the disparity between Hartenstein and Mitchell Robinson.

Here’s Katz again:

When Robinson set screens for Brunson, the Sixers felt more comfortable trapping the dribbler, who couldn’t dump the ball off to his screener with as much ease, since Robinson does not create in those scenarios. When it was Hartenstein in the action, opponents weren’t as aggressive, which meant more opportunity for the Knicks’ top scorer. And when two defenders did chase after Brunson, that’s when Hartenstein received a pass and created.

The Knicks need to decide if retaining Hartenstein outweighs other priorities, such as re-signing OG Anunoby or trading for a star.

Anunoby, who signed a four-year, $72 million extension with the Toronto Raptors in 2020, has a $19.9 million player option for the 2024-25 season. Given the weaker star power in the 2024 free agent class compared to 2025, it would be more prudent for Anunoby to decline his player option and enter free agency this summer. The 3&D specialist’s defensive prowess and shooting touch makes him a priority. Without a doubt, the Knicks are significantly better with OG Anunoby, but injuries are a looming concern. Regardless, at least one Eastern Conference GM suggests Anunoby will seek a lucrative deal, potentially $40 million per year for four years, given his importance to the team.

The Knicks, having traded RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley for Anunoby, can’t afford to lose him for nothing. Here’s a quote from Sean Deveney’s recent Heavy.com article:

“He will try to break the bank there,” the Eastern Conference GM said. “Why not? They can’t afford to lose him. Not a max deal or anything, but I think from his side, it is going to look more like $40 million per year, something like four years and $160 million.”

As the Knicks consider how to allocate their funds and decide what they’re willing to pay Anunoby, Mitchell Robinson’s presence complicates Hartenstein’s position with the team somewhat.

Robinson signed a 4-year, $60M contract in 2022. Per Salary Swish, his contract has a cap hit that ranges from $12.9M to $17M. Although a dominant defender when healthy, Robinson has ongoing injury issues, including two ankle surgeries this season. If the Knicks let Hartenstein walk in order to invest their money elsewhere (e.g., Anunoby), and with lingering doubts about the reliability of Robinson’s availability, the team will surely need a security blanket big. Such a fella could come through the draft (say, Purdue’s Zach Edey) or by trade or free agency—Nic Claxton and Andre Drummond are free agents, for example.

Another option for New York is to dangle a one-year deal at Hartenstein with the promise of a long-term extension later. He might bite. Hartenstein seems to have found a home in New York, his fifth NBA team, and enjoy being here. His teammates clearly appreciate him, and he’s especially close to Robinson, which lends a touch of awkwardness to the situation.

Hartenstein was not without injury this year, playing through an ongoing achilles tendinitis this season. By all accounts, he’s an iron man, however: he played all 82 games in 2022-23, and missed only seven on the most recent campaign.

One thing is for certain—nay, two things. The first is that we love Hartenstein’s chemistry with the team and hope to bring him back. The second is that we will no doubt write a lot more about the big man and his bank account over the next few weeks.

[spree2kawhi]

Rather than re-signing Hartenstein at those numbers, I’d trade for Towns. The former didn’t exactly have steady playoffs either, while the latter provides everything we need on offense from a seven-footer. I loved Hartenstein, but I’d let him walk in a scenario like that.

Brunson/?
Bridges/DDV
OG/Hart
Towns/OG/Achiuwa
Mitch/Towns

Your 2025 NBA champions.

[Adelheid]

would you guys be interested in zach lavine if the bulls just require salary dumps for trading?

[thebuzzardman]

would you guys be interested in zach lavine if the bulls just require salary dumps for trading?

No. He's a max cost player who isn't a max talent player, plus he's injury prone and seems to be fading due to injuries.

I was into the Knicks acquiring him, but injuries seem to have caught up. Plus, with the Knicks cap situation, I don't think it would work even if he was 100%