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Re: News of Lebron agreeing to extension with Cleveland 

Post#181 » by Taki » Thu Apr 8, 2010 8:29 pm

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Listen, even if LeBron is already thinking about leaving the Cavs after his next contract (as this clown said), then it just confirms for me that he doesn't love being in C Land. Who already plans their departure if he loves being somewhere? No chance. "I love my wife and I'll agree to stay with her for three more years, then leave."



Ever heard of staying together for the kids?



In this case, those are his teammates or the fans I guess. I doubt they keep him there either. It will have to be because *LeBron* wants it and not others.

Again, my feeling is pretty clear:

LeBron is not enamored with C Land.

He's got itchy feet.

He loves New York.

He loves MSG.

He wants the Knicks to be a good team again.

He is not someone who thinks that highly of the Cavs' mediocre supporting cast. He likes playing with them, sure, and he likes them personally. But LeBron has a high, very high, basketball IQ. He knows that he's surrounded by average role players in Cleveland.

But if the Cavs win, he'll be forced to stay and a title will produce good feeling for him, the good feeling that being on the Cavs has not given him yet -- a true love for being there. He'd get some of that if they win, and he'd have a hard time explaining how he left a winner.

I think they have a good chance to win, ergo ....

But if not, all bets are off. LeBron would prefer a graceful exit from Cleveland IMHO. We'll see if it happens or other circumstances alter that result.

The other factor I'd mention is that LeBron knows that even if they win this year, their talent base is nothing special. I repeat: The Cavs are not winning a dynasty with a core of LeBron and Anderson 'No Offense' Varejao, Hickson, Jawad Williams ... and an aging Antawn Jamison. They'll have to get better for him to be able to win there consistently going forward. And getting someone to C Land won't be easy.

All things equal, I give the Knicks' immediate future prospects a distinct advantage over the Cavs right now, regardless of whether the Cavs win the title. Four major reasons:

1. Second max slot
2. Curry's expiring
3. Gallo, Wilson, Douglas, Walker >>> JJ, Jawad, Sideshow and ... and ... who else?
4. Attracting other free-agents to NY will be a lot easier than bringing them to Cleveland

first of all Varejao is a premier defender, he is 2nd in the +/- stat behind Lebron and ahead the likes of Howard and Kobe, Gallinari is a really soft player who even if he gets some points on offense he gives them up on defense anyway, Mo Williams would be the 2nd best player on the Knicks, he's had an allstar appearance, close to 44% from 3, and scores more points per game than the majority of the team in a much slower pace offense(which makes me wonder how Lee would do with someone like the Spurs).

if Lebron wants to play anywhere, it's with the Nets when they become the Brooklyn Nets, and by the way, the Knicks couldn't even surround enough talent around Patrick Ewing to win the championship in 15 years of time to do so, why would Lebron think the Knicks are capable of it now with a much worse roster?

Trivisonno works with WTAM 1100 which is the Cavs broadcast station, so he would have sources regardless of whether he's that reliable or not(and really, he's more for entertainment), and as for why it didn't show up on the Cavs board on realgm, is because realgm sucks in comparison to realcavsfans.com is the best cavs board on the internet, same with realgm rockets being not as active since Clutchfans is the best rockets board on the internet.

You guys should just get a bunch of talented players together(similar to how the Rockets are right now without Yao), and then try and wait for a superstar to emerge from the draft, or have a player(s) emerge who normally didn't get much playing time(like George Hill this year).
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Re: News of Lebron agreeing to extension with Cleveland 

Post#182 » by Marty McFly » Thu Apr 8, 2010 8:34 pm

lmao at gallinari is a really soft player. :lol:
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Re: News of Lebron agreeing to extension with Cleveland 

Post#183 » by orangeblobman » Thu Apr 8, 2010 8:52 pm

^LOL

Figures, a ballboy.

I'll have you know that Gallinari is the TOUGHEST player on this team.
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Re: News of Lebron agreeing to extension with Cleveland 

Post#184 » by stevieg987 » Thu Apr 8, 2010 8:56 pm

Taki with one of the most uninformed posts I have ever seen on this forum. :clap:
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Re: News of Lebron agreeing to extension with Cleveland 

Post#185 » by waynedwayne » Thu Apr 8, 2010 9:01 pm

Taki wrote:first of all Varejao is a premier defender, he is 2nd in the +/- stat behind Lebron and ahead the likes of Howard and Kobe, Gallinari is a really soft player who even if he gets some points on offense he gives them up on defense anyway, Mo Williams would be the 2nd best player on the Knicks, he's had an allstar appearance, close to 44% from 3, and scores more points per game than the majority of the team in a much slower pace offense(which makes me wonder how Lee would do with someone like the Spurs).

if Lebron wants to play anywhere, it's with the Nets when they become the Brooklyn Nets, and by the way, the Knicks couldn't even surround enough talent around Patrick Ewing to win the championship in 15 years of time to do so, why would Lebron think the Knicks are capable of it now with a much worse roster?

Trivisonno works with WTAM 1100 which is the Cavs broadcast station, so he would have sources regardless of whether he's that reliable or not(and really, he's more for entertainment), and as for why it didn't show up on the Cavs board on realgm, is because realgm sucks in comparison to realcavsfans.com is the best cavs board on the internet, same with realgm rockets being not as active since Clutchfans is the best rockets board on the internet.

You guys should just get a bunch of talented players together(similar to how the Rockets are right now without Yao), and then try and wait for a superstar to emerge from the draft, or have a player(s) emerge who normally didn't get much playing time(like George Hill this year).


I should have stopped reading after you used +/- to infer that Varejao is "better" (or whatever word you want to insert other than "worse", which would be the correct word) than Howard and Bryant. But since I didn't, let me continue with what else is wrong with your post:

You mention that the Knicks couldn't surround Ewing with enough to wing a ring, dating back over 25 years from now, and that's why LeBron would have no reason to believe we'd be able to get him enough talent today, 10 years post-Ewing.. Well, we do have a different GM don't we? That would be the equivalent of saying the Cavs front office is incapable of signing anyone of worth to support LeBron because obviously in their entire history they've never won the championship, and thus, LeBron has no reason to believe they will now.

You say Trivisonno is part of Cavs media and so he's bound to have sources, regardless if they're credible or not. That's a pretty big out you give him. You basically said, "Trivisonno has sources, even if they dont know what the hell they're talking about, but he does have sources, so he must know something." Great. And thanks for listing websites/forums that we have no interest in.

And finally, you enlighten us that the better way to go is working through the draft system to grow our own superstars. I'll be sure to tell Knicks front office of this revolutionary concept. I guess it's easy coming from a Cavs fan whose team sucked so bad for decades that finally you sucked out and got LeBron. LeBron wasn't some late first round diamond in the rough, and if our previous GMs were so goddam useless, we may have tanked until we got LeBron as well. But we didn't, and now our current FO is dealing with it.

Again, I should have stopped reading after Varejao > Howard, Kobe..
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Re: News of Lebron agreeing to extension with Cleveland 

Post#186 » by Taki » Thu Apr 8, 2010 9:13 pm

You're stupid if you think I was saying Varejao>Kobe, Howard, I was simply saying that his +/- is higher, if you don't believe me click here:
http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus ... it=9&team=
Varejao due to injury is now 3rd behind Howard, but regardless, still very impressive, all the players in the top 10 are known as good to great defenders, or are just simply very good on offense (Durant, Carter).

all I'm saying is that Varejao is more productive as a player than anyone on the Knicks, but obviously wouldn't be as productive on that roster.

You're also wrong about what I said, I said that Trivisonno might not be right sometimes, but he definitely has sources within the Cavs organization seeing as he works for the station that does the radio broadcast for the games.

Yea I like how Gallinari plays and how he usually doesn't give up, but that doesn't change that he can't really defend, he's a role player as of right now and you guys are thinking of him as some allstar, perhaps he'll get much better, we'll see.

I'm not saying you'll get another Lebron, that likely won't happen for a long time for any team, but can you build a team the caliber that the Rockets are? definitely, and you don't need a player similar to Yao Ming to do so when you have David Lee.

Lebron isn't coming to the Knicks and the only possible team he'll be going to is the Nets when they become the Brooklyn Nets, so maybe some of you Knick fans will become Brooklyn Nets fans if that is to happen.

Btw unrelated but why did the Yankees let go of Matsui the WS MVP when they have all the money? Just wondering, cause I thought that was weird.
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Re: News of Lebron agreeing to extension with Cleveland 

Post#187 » by czoneny » Thu Apr 8, 2010 9:22 pm

Taki wrote:Btw unrelated but why did the Yankees let go of Matsui the WS MVP when they have all the money? Just wondering, cause I thought that was weird.


It's very simple. We probably wanted to keep Matsui but the problem is that he cannot play in the outfield and basically eats up the DH slot for the entire season. Yankees management thought it was best to let Matsui go so they could use that DH spot to give Posada off days behind the plate, also platoon Tex and Arod into the DH spot some days to give them a day off playing in the field. Basically we wanted to use the DH as a flexibile thing to get many older guys some days off, and could not do that with Matsui taking up the spot.
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Re: News of Lebron agreeing to extension with Cleveland 

Post#188 » by GnarlesOakley » Thu Apr 8, 2010 9:31 pm

Taki wrote:You're stupid if you think I was saying Varejao>Kobe, Howard, I was simply saying that his +/- is higher, if you don't believe me click here:
http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus ... it=9&team=
Varejao due to injury is now 3rd behind Howard, but regardless, still very impressive, all the players in the top 10 are known as good to great defenders, or are just simply very good on offense (Durant, Carter).

all I'm saying is that Varejao is more productive as a player than anyone on the Knicks, but obviously wouldn't be as productive on that roster.

You're also wrong about what I said, I said that Trivisonno might not be right sometimes, but he definitely has sources within the Cavs organization seeing as he works for the station that does the radio broadcast for the games.

Yea I like how Gallinari plays and how he usually doesn't give up, but that doesn't change that he can't really defend, he's a role player as of right now and you guys are thinking of him as some allstar, perhaps he'll get much better, we'll see.

I'm not saying you'll get another Lebron, that likely won't happen for a long time for any team, but can you build a team the caliber that the Rockets are? definitely, and you don't need a player similar to Yao Ming to do so when you have David Lee.

Lebron isn't coming to the Knicks and the only possible team he'll be going to is the Nets when they become the Brooklyn Nets, so maybe some of you Knick fans will become Brooklyn Nets fans if that is to happen.

Btw unrelated but why did the Yankees let go of Matsui the WS MVP when they have all the money? Just wondering, cause I thought that was weird.



What do all players on the top 25 +/- have in common? They play for a contender, unless you genuinely want me to believe that Frye and Fisher are better defenders than say, Battier (-16) and Ben Wallace (-25) And of course by your argument Earl Barron, Walker and Eddy Curry are the three best current Knicks defensively. :lol:

If you want to slag our team try to use some legitimate arguments.

And as far as Matsui goes they couldn't agree on what kind of contract to offer him and he wasn't guaranteed as much playing time so he decided to walk. At the time resigning Damon was a bigger priority, and both would take up DH time which Posada is also going to need.
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Re: News of Lebron agreeing to extension with Cleveland 

Post#189 » by Drun53 » Thu Apr 8, 2010 9:35 pm

I don't know anything about multivariable calculus, so I don't post about it.

You don't know anything about Danilo Gallinari, so don't post about him.
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Post#190 » by johnnywishbone » Thu Apr 8, 2010 9:36 pm

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Post#191 » by moocow007 » Thu Apr 8, 2010 9:41 pm

Taki wrote:You're stupid if you think I was saying Varejao>Kobe, Howard, I was simply saying that his +/- is higher, if you don't believe me click here:
http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus ... it=9&team=
Varejao due to injury is now 3rd behind Howard, but regardless, still very impressive, all the players in the top 10 are known as good to great defenders, or are just simply very good on offense (Durant, Carter).


Look at the +/- of all the Cavs players when Lebron isn't on the court vs. when he's on the court. It's a lot easier to get a higher + when you've got the best player in the NBA playing next to you.

all I'm saying is that Varejao is more productive as a player than anyone on the Knicks, but obviously wouldn't be as productive on that roster.


And if Lebron wasn't on that team he'd be just another run of the mill role player.

You're also wrong about what I said, I said that Trivisonno might not be right sometimes, but he definitely has sources within the Cavs organization seeing as he works for the station that does the radio broadcast for the games.

Yea I like how Gallinari plays and how he usually doesn't give up, but that doesn't change that he can't really defend, he's a role player as of right now and you guys are thinking of him as some allstar, perhaps he'll get much better, we'll see.


If Gallinari is a role player then what the heck is Varejao? Dude...if there is anybody who's picture should pop up when you search role player, it's Varejao. In fact, I do believe that the world Varejao translates in Brazilian to He Who Plays Roles.

I'm not saying you'll get another Lebron, that likely won't happen for a long time for any team, but can you build a team the caliber that the Rockets are? definitely, and you don't need a player similar to Yao Ming to do so when you have David Lee.


If the Cavs lose Lebron (doesn't matter if it's to the Nets) they are SCREWED. More so than any leggy blond could have had she been able to spend a 1000 livetimes with Tiger Woods.

Lebron isn't coming to the Knicks and the only possible team he'll be going to is the Nets when they become the Brooklyn Nets, so maybe some of you Knick fans will become Brooklyn Nets fans if that is to happen.


And you know that because you're Lebron? Why on earth do people keep posting these silly, silly, silly, silly, silly "definites" when you have no clue what he's going to do like any of the rest of us. You're not helping your Cav buds out any with these arguments.

Btw unrelated but why did the Yankees let go of Matsui the WS MVP when they have all the money? Just wondering, cause I thought that was weird.


Cause he has the knees of an 50 year old? His knees were so bad that he could barely run the bases right near the end of the season and the general take was that he would end up spending most of his time at DH if they were to resign him to a multi-year deal. And the Yanks already have Jorge Posada pretty much slated for DH probably as soon as the start of next season.
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Re: News of Lebron agreeing to extension with Cleveland 

Post#192 » by moocow007 » Thu Apr 8, 2010 9:42 pm

Drun53 wrote:I don't know anything about multivariable calculus, so I don't post about it.

You don't know anything about Danilo Gallinari, so don't post about him.


:lol: Which means I may be the only one who should be posting here as I have a degree in mathematics (including probability theory as a thesis) AND I know a little about Gallinari.
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Post#193 » by exAusTiN » Thu Apr 8, 2010 9:46 pm

east wrote:Kindof disturbing that this "news item" doesn't even have enough legs to make the Wiretap. Maybe in an hour or two it will be up there.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/ ... with_cavs/
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Re: News of Lebron agreeing to extension with Cleveland 

Post#194 » by Drun53 » Thu Apr 8, 2010 9:55 pm

moocow007 wrote:
Drun53 wrote:I don't know anything about multivariable calculus, so I don't post about it.

You don't know anything about Danilo Gallinari, so don't post about him.


:lol: Which means I may be the only one who should be posting here as I have a degree in mathematics (including probability theory as a thesis) AND I know a little about Gallinari.



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Post#196 » by BasicBall » Thu Apr 8, 2010 10:36 pm

SHAQFORMVP wrote:Gallo is a scrub I don't know why you u guys keep overrating this bum :lol:


He is OUR scrub so we will overrate him all we want. Sort of like how you guys overrate JJ Hickson. :D
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Post#197 » by GnarlesOakley » Thu Apr 8, 2010 10:38 pm

Gallo > JJ Hickson easily. 8-)
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Post#198 » by Subway Token » Thu Apr 8, 2010 10:40 pm

Notice how Anthony Parker is also top 10 in +/-? Would you like to know why?

THEY PLAY AT THE SAME TIME AS MOTHER FCKING KING JAMES.


God, idiocy at it's best. Do you know what +/- even means?
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Post#199 » by orangeblobman » Thu Apr 8, 2010 10:43 pm

knicksfan5494 wrote:Notice how Anthony Parker is also top 10 in +/-? Would you like to know why?

THEY PLAY AT THE SAME TIME AS MOTHER FCKING KING JAMES.


God, idiocy at it's best. Do you know what +/- even means?


5494, let's play nice...

:wink:

The guy also thinks that Gallo is soft. To me, that's the funniest part of it all. You had to be dead or in a cave for the last 10 months to think that Gallo is soft. But whatever, the Knicks will have the last laugh.
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Post#200 » by Subway Token » Thu Apr 8, 2010 10:48 pm

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knicksfan5494 wrote:Notice how Anthony Parker is also top 10 in +/-? Would you like to know why?

THEY PLAY AT THE SAME TIME AS MOTHER FCKING KING JAMES.


God, idiocy at it's best. Do you know what +/- even means?


5494, let's play nice...

:wink:

The guy also thinks that Gallo is soft. To me, that's the funniest part of it all. You had to be dead or in a cave for the last 10 months to think that Gallo is soft. But whatever, the Knicks will have the last laugh.


Hey... you were legit mean in that BOS thread... 8-)

Anyway, I love how Cav's fans throw around the +/-. Derek Fischer has a high +/-. Why? He plays with Kobe on the court at the same time. +/- is a 5 man thing. Jeshus...
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