2011 NBA Draft Thread II (New Poll & Mock Draft Results)

Post #181 » by **moocow007** » Wed May 25, 2011 1:01 am

Not that it matters but Klay Thompson is the LEAST white looking of the 3 Thompson brothers and, yeah, I believe his mom is white.

Here's his brother Mychel who looks like he'd be a cast member of the Jersey Shore...

and his other brother Trayce (who plays in the White Sox farm system)

Post #182 » by **Manhattan Project** » Wed May 25, 2011 1:03 am

Little Klay

kingofk1ngs · Post #183 » by **kingofk1ngs** » Wed May 25, 2011 1:10 am

moocow007 wrote:Not that it matters but Klay Thompson is the LEAST white looking of the 3 Thompson brothers and, yeah, I believe his mom is white.

Here's his brother Mychel who looks like he'd be a cast member of the Jersey Shore...

You know his brother is in the white jersey right?

Post #184 » by **moocow007** » Wed May 25, 2011 1:10 am

kingofk1ngs wrote:
moocow007 wrote:Not that it matters but Klay Thompson is the LEAST white looking of the 3 Thompson brothers and, yeah, I believe his mom is white.

Here's his brother Mychel who looks like he'd be a cast member of the Jersey Shore...

You know his brother is in the white jersey right?

Yes...why do you think I said the Jersey Shore? The guy on the left would be good for the OC. :lol:

EDIT: Hey is that Mychel Thompson on the left?

kingofk1ngs · Post #185 » by **kingofk1ngs** » Wed May 25, 2011 1:13 am

moocow007 wrote:
kingofk1ngs wrote:
moocow007 wrote:Not that it matters but Klay Thompson is the LEAST white looking of the 3 Thompson brothers and, yeah, I believe his mom is white.

Here's his brother Mychel who looks like he'd be a cast member of the Jersey Shore...

You know his brother is in the white jersey right?

Yes...why do you think I said the Jersey Shore? The guy on the left would be good for the OC.

IDK, Klay looks lighter to me than Mychel

TrueWarrior · Post #186 » by **TrueWarrior** » Wed May 25, 2011 1:19 am

Ha yea you can tell Klay is half white just by his nose and the way he talks.

As far as Marshon Brooks. I watched his two top scoring games before and of course he was impressive in both outings offensively. 52 and 43 points tend to make you look alright. Jimmer looked amazing in his 40+ pt games. Klay dropped 43 at Washington himself. I still have some concerns about Brooks that I think Ive made clear but overall wouldnt hate the pick either. At least he has SG size and length. With Selby we're just going off of draft hype right now because apparently you cant judge his season at all since he was injured/misused/whatever. We really have nothing to go on w/ him. Even with all his "buzz" DX still has Selby going 2nd round. So it must not be working.

Post #187 » by **moocow007** » Wed May 25, 2011 1:21 am

TrueWarrior wrote:Ha yea you can tell hes half white just by his nose and the way he talks.

As far as Marshon Brooks. I watched his two top scoring games before and of course he was impressive in both outings offensively. 52 and 43 points tend to make you look alright. Jimmer looked amazing in his 40+ pt games. Klay dropped 43 at Washington himself. I still have some concerns about Brooks that I think Ive made clear but overall wouldnt hate the pick either. At least he has SG size and length. With Selby we're just going off of draft hype right now because apparently you cant judge his season at all since he was injured/misused/whatever. We really have nothing to go on w/ him. Even with all his "buzz" DX still has Selby going 2nd round. Its Ford who is loving him.

Yeah with Selby it's basically just trusting on the hype he had coming out of HS. Probably too risky. Also not sure why the reports that he gave good interviews, in the interview that DX posted he sounded like he was shell shocked. Unless Walsh lands another pick or two I'd probably not risk taking Selby.

Post #188 » by **vinnie_vegas69** » Wed May 25, 2011 1:27 am

And the side by side:

And that concludes this episode of "Mulatto Chat"...

SonOfMars · Post #189 » by **SonOfMars** » Wed May 25, 2011 1:35 am

does it really matter how light he is? wheres the rule book that says the lighter you are the softer you are, because theres another mixed fellow that plays for the losing team in Los Angeles that wouldnt disagree..

I like how you guys are digging up all the dirt on Klay though, i'd expect that to be done AFTER we draft him...

Post #190 » by **moocow007** » Wed May 25, 2011 1:38 am

Mac1Money wrote:does it really matter how light he is? wheres the rule book that says the lighter you are the softer you are, because theres another mixed fellow that plays for the losing team in Los Angeles that wouldnt disagree..

I like how you guys are digging up all the dirt on Klay though, i'd expect that to be done AFTER we draft him...

No one is digging dirt. Most of the guys on this board want Thompson. We're just having fun.

kingofk1ngs · Post #191 » by **kingofk1ngs** » Wed May 25, 2011 1:46 am

Yeah, i wasn't commenting on if he was soft or not. If I had the choice, I'd want the Knicks to pick Klay over anyone we've been connected with.

StumptheSlob · Post #192 » by **StumptheSlob** » Wed May 25, 2011 3:51 am

moocow007 wrote:Not that it matters but Klay Thompson is the LEAST white looking of the 3 Thompson brothers and, yeah, I believe his mom is white.

Here's his brother Mychel who looks like he'd be a cast member of the Jersey Shore...

and his other brother Trayce (who plays in the White Sox farm system)

I honestly thought you were talking about the dude on the left. I was convinced the guy on the right was Klay himself and was ready to say that I've never seen 3 brothers (not adopted) look so different.

TrueWarrior · Post #193 » by **TrueWarrior** » Wed May 25, 2011 7:17 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1NcIOl5l3s&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

While he most likely wont be there when we pick, Tristan is still a guy that I really like. A little bit rough around the edges but he has very good athleticism, length, and strength. I think he can be an awesome post defender for us out of the gate, and works well in the pick and roll as a finisher. Nice shot blocker, solid rebounder. Can score in the paint. Needs to develop a jumper badly but as far as skills go he is ahead of guys like Faried. Overall I really like Tristan as a replacement for Amare in a couple of years. I doubt we take him even if he is there because hes still kind of a project, but I just think hes going to be a very solid PF in this league if developed, especially on D.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5dYqgjl-7M[/youtube]

As far as Faried goes... Like Jimmer I keep going back and forth with him. Ha at this time though I really wouldnt mind us picking him if thats what happens. DX has us nabbing Faried right now and most mocks do also. They see our needs as defense / rebounding / energy and he fits it. I think a Faried/Amare front court could work for stretches even if its not something I want to see a whole lot. Although Faried still has to prove himself on D, I think he'll be just fine on that end once he gets into the flow of the NBA. Athleticism and strength shouldnt be an issue, and he does have decent length even if its not Biyombo-like. His offense worries me, but I guess Ive been thinking like Dantoni too much lately in that regard. Of course we could use a dead eye shooter like Klay or Jimmer but we could use a guy like Faried just as much.

I see Faried as a more athletic and laid back Reggie Evans. Not sure if being more laid back is a good thing or bad thing though. I think Faried needs more of Reggie's mean streak/goonness honestly. Hes too nice to be undersized :lol:

. Grab some nuts bro.

I also just watched a Michigan game (really only takes about 45 minutes to watch a whole game without breaks) and yea Darius Morris is another guy I like. Not an amazing athlete but he gets to where he wants to and his height makes up for it. I definitely see the Andre Miller comparisons. Really think this guy can be a nice NBA PG. He dominated the ball in college like many NBA PGs do, but he didnt dominate it in a bad way. Like in a Chris Paul kind of way where he was clearly the best option to initiate the offense. Hes unselfish and can run a fast break very well. He would be a great fit here... if only he could shoot. Defenders would just go under the screens all day with him, and thats why I think wed ultimately pass on the kid unfortunately. Im sure he can improve his jumper to respectable, but I just dont think wed take him.

Next up who I gotta watch is Charles Jenkins. His former coach coaches Fordham now fyi. Pecora. My dad went to Fordham and saw them play Hofstra a couple times and he raved about Jenkins when I asked him. Said hes a big physical guy and really was a 1 man show. I cant find much tape on him so here are some highlights. At least we know hes clutch and has a handle.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nySUqQA53UQ&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28WrrDmd4NY[/youtube]

A word about Marshon Brooks...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mq-JMf1szk[/youtube]

He shoots very well in this vid. However the top rated comment says "good shooter but he looks very slow". And I mean he does. I noticed it the first time I watched when someone posted it here, but didnt think much of it because it was only a workout. Not just from this video but in games Ive watched he looks kinda slow too. Crafty as hell but slow. Most likely why he was viewed as a 2nd rounder until lately. He def looks like Kobe moving around a little bit on the court, but nothing like a 22 year old Kobe. More like the current 32 year old Kobe, and might be less athletic than that. Not that Marshon is a stiff by any means. Not sayin that. He just lacks quickness/explosion that is going to make it hard on him to score in the NBA. Being very skinny doesnt help either. Hes silky smooth but being smooth doesnt matter if you cant get by or shake anyone. I mean if Jamal Crawford wasnt cat quick hed be playing overseas.

So unless Marshon becomes a top notch shooter Im just not seeing how hes going to be very good, but I could be dead wrong. He could have a Paul Pierce thing going on as well, cuz hes skilled. Then again everyone compares a player who isnt a great athlete but is skilled to Pierce. Pierce is a rare bird tho. Now if Brooks was an elite athlete hed be a top 5 pick with his skills, but skills can only take you so far sometimes. Ask Fields, who led the Pac-10 in scoring but is having trouble getting his shot off in the pros. I remember the first time I played AAU ball. The step up in competition obviously makes it harder to score. Ha so yea Brooks is gonna have to change his game up a little bit. Despite these issues I still like him as a prospect, but hes not my 1st choice.

And finally... Josh Selby.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEEGg_qIFvY[/youtube]

On the flipside athleticism shouldnt be a problem for Selby. Size and position might, but his head is almost at the rim here. We'd really have to do our homework on the guy if we are even considering to pick him, and I dont want another undersized SG, but any player who can do this and have a semblance of skill is enticing. I would stay away from the kid cuz I dont think hes a PG, but no lie I really have no handle on him at all. Ha I just have a hard time thinking it was all excuses why he didnt play well at Kansas. I can clearly see why he was ranked #1, but I see combo guard all over him. Meh. We could use a legit 6th man though. Douglas is okay but he cant really carry an offense unless his shot is on. Selby could be a force on our bench and if hes the next Bobby Jackson like DX says he could be, then that is a damn good thing to have too. We just have to be hella sure if we pick him because there are other guys who could def fill some needs for us. If we're not positively confident then pass and dont think twice.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byJxflDDqkQ[/youtube]

What makes Selby any better than Jackson? Who's just as athletic, longer, shoots better and seems to be more of a floor general? Id go with Reggie every time.

This draft is getting interesting to me. We have a lot of options but no clear cut top choice. All of these guys are on the same level to me, but just bring different things. Really would be fine with taking a lot of em. Its going to be a tough on the Don.

BLACKFEET 2010 · Post #194 » by **BLACKFEET 2010** » Wed May 25, 2011 9:31 am

Alex Kennedy: A well-placed source who attended the Minnesota group workout said that Josh Selby and Malcolm Lee stole the show. Twitter

Ryan Feldman: Talked to a few sources at the Minnesota group workout today. I'm told Shelvin Mack and Chandler Parsons stood out. Twitter

BLACKFEET 2010 · Post #195 » by **BLACKFEET 2010** » Wed May 25, 2011 9:57 am

Tony Ronzone was beaming about Selby. He went as far as to say that he wished there wasn't as much media and NBA bigwigs there and they could have shut him down so no one would be talking about him as much...half-jokingly. He said he believes he is a one (point guard) and that he competed against D.Rose and the USA select team last summer and held his own. It didn't look fake. I am starting to warm up to us drafting this kid. Now let's see who cockblocks us this year. I think Selby and (somehow) Willie Reed are our targets...smokescreens aside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-J0ir16 ... r_embedded

Sorry I don't know how to embed.
We have many needs but one of the least discussed is we need an infusion of athleticism. Amare will be 30 soon and Melo is an animal but not exactly an athletic specimen by NBA standards. Toney is quick but he's a below the rim guy...while Landry has some tools but is a mid-tiered athlete (regardless of combine testing---remember OJ Mayo's insane vertical? I have yet to see evidence of it in a game setting). Walker can fly but he's, well chubby and not the fleetest of foot. Chauncey is heady but not quick or a leaper...and that's fine but we sorely need change of pace guys on the bench. We can get shooting (Anthony Parker/Vladimir Radmonivic/re-signing Shawne Williams/Troy Murphy/Eddie House/Peja Stojavokic, etc.), perimeter defense (Damien Wilkins/Deshawn Stevenson/Ronald Dupree/Earl Watson/Ronnie Price, etc.), size (Nazr Mohammed/Jerome Jordan/Ryan Hollins/DJ Mbenga/Hilton Armstrong/Chris Johnson, etc.) and post defense (Kurt Thomas/Reggie Evans/Jason Collins/Etan Thomas/Andres Nocioni, etc.) through (cheap) free agency and maybe a minor trade or two. But we need some high-level athletes behind our guys. I think Walsh is gonna draft Josh Selby, buy a second for Willie Reed (H2O gets to bust his asst. GM nut on his guy), bring in Jerome Jordan, re-sigh Drank and Ashy Larry. Then snag some cheap, one year specialists (this is where D'Antoni and his system helps because guys can market themselves in our high-octane offense for future multi-year deals after showcasing themselves in NY). I think it makes a lotta sense.

Thoughts?

ITGM · Post #196 » by **ITGM** » Wed May 25, 2011 10:04 am

vinnie_vegas69 wrote:And the side by side:

And that concludes this episode of "Mulatto Chat"...

Dude in the red looks like a Black Albino, or Sicilian( Black features with white skin), dude in the orange looks Black, and dude playing baseball can pass for white (although I can't see his hair).

TrueWarrior · Post #197 » by **TrueWarrior** » Wed May 25, 2011 10:27 am

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:Tony Ronzone was beaming about Selby. He went as far as to say that he wished there wasn't as much media and NBA bigwigs there and they could have shut him down so no one would be talking about him as much...half-jokingly. He said he believes he is a one (point guard) and that he competed against D.Rose and the USA select team last summer and held his own. It didn't look fake. I am starting to warm up to us drafting this kid. Now let's see who cockblocks us this year. I think Selby and (somehow) Willie Reed are our targets...smokescreens aside.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-J0ir16swA&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Sorry I don't know how to embed.

Theres a "youtube" button on the right side when you post. Highlight the link n click it.

As far as Selby goes he seems to really be killing it in workouts, so I doubt our interest isnt genuine. If we really think he can be a PG and only a PG, and Chauncey, Melo, and Donnie endorse him then Id be cool with it. They know more than all of us. However like many others in this draft if Selby does prove hes a PG and continues to do his thing in workouts then he shouldnt still be there when we pick, unless teams are worried about his year at Kansas. As far as potential goes hes got to be one of the higher guys in this draft on athleticism and youth alone, so like Tristan Thompson youd think a team would take a chance on him high with how weak this class is.

Selby is the biggest mystery in the draft. I could see him riding the buzz wave and skyrocket to the late lotto, but also dropping to the 2nd round. At the same time this could be another Jrue Holiday type thing when Holiday was killing workouts left and right and rose in mocks to the top 7-8, but when the draft came he dropped all the way to 18 in the end. Like Selby he didnt have a great freshman year, so maybe teams were scared off. If Selby is the truth lets hope the same happens with him.

BLACKFEET 2010 · Post #198 » by **BLACKFEET 2010** » Wed May 25, 2011 10:46 am

Thanks TW.
I'm going with a Selby/Reed draft.
High-level athletes that give our roster a little more youth, depth, upside and contrast is the way to go.
Rautins and cash for #35 (via Sacto) and draft Willie Reed.

Kn1cks · Post #199 » by **Kn1cks** » Wed May 25, 2011 11:56 am

I don't care who we draft as long as ...

a) he can play D.
b) he's ready to contribute right away.
c) he has a high motor.
d) he has no character issues.

And if we draft a ...

PG - He must be a true PG. No combo guards. No exceptions!!

SG - Must be able to shoot the ball and defend.

Big man - Must play like a true big man. That means play inside. No standing 25 feet from the hoop shooting 3's and averaging 4 rpg. We need a Noah/Perkins/Chandler type. Not a Bargnani/Lee/Okur type.

Fat Kat · Post #200 » by **Fat Kat** » Wed May 25, 2011 12:40 pm

Kn1cks wrote:I don't care who we draft as long as ...

a) he can play D.
b) he's ready to contribute right away.
c) he has a high motor.
d) he has no character issues.

And if we draft a ...

PG - He must be a true PG. No combo guards. No exceptions!!

SG - Must be able to shoot the ball and defend.

Big man - Must play like a true big man. That means play inside. No standing 25 feet from the hoop shooting 3's and averaging 4 rpg. We need a Noah/Perkins/Chandler type. Not a Bargnani/Lee/Okur type.

Who did you vote for?

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