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Dwyane Wade disrespects Chauncey Billups

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Re: Dwyane Wade disrespects Chauncey Billups 

Post#181 » by dk7th » Tue Oct 4, 2011 9:00 pm

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dk7th wrote:it is transparently clear that he loves to score the ball more than he loves to make others better and play defense.

if that does not change THIS YEAR then you have to find the best facilitator available, and it really doesn't need to be chris paul.

Who else do you have in mind?


we should have gotten ridnour instead, just like stoudemire wanted in the first place. not felton.

and yes that doesn't answer your question. ha ha

he was making 4 million per. seems like a good deal in retrospect.
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Re: Dwyane Wade disrespects Chauncey Billups 

Post#182 » by NYman15 » Tue Oct 4, 2011 9:06 pm

If they don't get Cp3 or Deron, I'd like Nash, if he's to coming to NY and continue playing. He's already a hall of famer and could play for a contender, in NY, where he lives part time, play with his old friend Amare, and arguably the purest scorer in the NBA in Melo. I know he doesn't play much D, but he could really get the mot out of Melo and as we've seen, could do great things with Amare. Nash isn't my 1st choice, but he could be a FA and could make some sense.
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Re: Dwyane Wade disrespects Chauncey Billups 

Post#183 » by dk7th » Tue Oct 4, 2011 9:12 pm

NYman15 wrote:If they don't get Cp3 or Deron, I'd like Nash, if he's to coming to NY and continue playing. He's already a hall of famer and could play for a contender, in NY, where he lives part time, play with his old friend Amare, and arguably the purest scorer in the NBA in Melo. I know he doesn't play much D, but he could really get the mot out of Melo and as we've seen, could do great things with Amare. Nash isn't my 1st choice, but he could be a FA and could make some sense.



nash? depends on how much he wants. he isn't a money grubber that's for certain. if he asks for more than 4-5 million i think the knicks would be happy with that as we try to find a legit defender in the middle or develop jordan.
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Re: Dwyane Wade disrespects Chauncey Billups 

Post#184 » by knicksosmoove » Tue Oct 4, 2011 10:36 pm

dk7th wrote:
it is transparently clear that he loves to score the ball more than he loves to make others better and play defense.

if that does not change THIS YEAR then you have to find the best facilitator available, and it really doesn't need to be chris paul.


I know that Carmelo is obviously a natural scorer, but why exactly don't you think he could be a facilitator? I've been on record a lot around here saying that I think he could and I'm hoping he will next season, but I'm curious as to why you think he won't. Is it ability or willingness? I think if you're familiar with how Denver set up its offense, being a facilitator wasn't really an option for him while he was there.
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Re: Dwyane Wade disrespects Chauncey Billups 

Post#185 » by dk7th » Tue Oct 4, 2011 11:11 pm

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dk7th wrote:
it is transparently clear that he loves to score the ball more than he loves to make others better and play defense.

if that does not change THIS YEAR then you have to find the best facilitator available, and it really doesn't need to be chris paul.


I know that Carmelo is obviously a natural scorer, but why exactly don't you think he could be a facilitator? I've been on record a lot around here saying that I think he could and I'm hoping he will next season, but I'm curious as to why you think he won't. Is it ability or willingness? I think if you're familiar with how Denver set up its offense, being a facilitator wasn't really an option for him while he was there.


when billups went down we saw flashes, tantalizing glimpses, of melo's ability as a playmaker. and while i agree that it appeared that denver's offense was not geared to him facilitating, as a fellow student of the game you have to ask yourself the cause of this development: in other words, did

(1) george karl base the offense on what he realized were melo's limitations as a playmaker

or

(2) did karl put "ego-blinders" on and disregard melo's natural abilities as a playmaker?

what do you think?

i would LOVE for melo to become a playmaker along the lines of dirk and pierce-- both dirk and pierce evolved into playmakers relatively late, but when they did it elevated their team and brought them success.
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Re: Dwyane Wade disrespects Chauncey Billups 

Post#186 » by knicksosmoove » Tue Oct 4, 2011 11:20 pm

dk7th wrote:
when billups went down we saw flashes, tantalizing glimpses, of melo's ability as a playmaker. and while i agree that it appeared that denver's offense was not geared to him facilitating, as a fellow student of the game you have to ask yourself the cause of this development: in other words, did

(1) george karl base the offense on what he realized were melo's limitations as a playmaker

or

(2) did karl put "ego-blinders" on and disregard melo's natural abilities as a playmaker?

what do you think?

i would LOVE for melo to become a playmaker along the lines of dirk and pierce-- both dirk and pierce evolved into playmakers relatively late, but when they did it elevated their team and brought them success.


Well, I'm biased toward being optimistic about the Knicks, so I believe the answer is 2. Next season (whenever that is) should prove me right or wrong. I base this on the fact that Carmelo has shown glimpses of absolutely excellent court vision and that I think Karl is not an exceptional coach. The way the Nuggets played in the playoffs when they had both Iverson and Carmelo was disgraceful IMO . . .
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Re: Dwyane Wade disrespects Chauncey Billups 

Post#187 » by NYman15 » Wed Oct 5, 2011 12:48 am

I agree. I think Melo has the talent to be like a point forward. He did show flashes of it in NY especially after Billups went down. But I believe he can average 27-28ppg. 7-8 rebounds and 5 assists a game. He has that talent in my opinion. I'm hoping Mike uses him more as a point forward and lets him run some PnR with Amare as well.
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Re: Dwyane Wade disrespects Chauncey Billups 

Post#188 » by j4remi » Wed Oct 5, 2011 1:20 am

dk7th wrote:
knicksosmoove wrote:
dk7th wrote:
it is transparently clear that he loves to score the ball more than he loves to make others better and play defense.

if that does not change THIS YEAR then you have to find the best facilitator available, and it really doesn't need to be chris paul.


I know that Carmelo is obviously a natural scorer, but why exactly don't you think he could be a facilitator? I've been on record a lot around here saying that I think he could and I'm hoping he will next season, but I'm curious as to why you think he won't. Is it ability or willingness? I think if you're familiar with how Denver set up its offense, being a facilitator wasn't really an option for him while he was there.


when billups went down we saw flashes, tantalizing glimpses, of melo's ability as a playmaker. and while i agree that it appeared that denver's offense was not geared to him facilitating, as a fellow student of the game you have to ask yourself the cause of this development: in other words, did

(1) george karl base the offense on what he realized were melo's limitations as a playmaker

or

(2) did karl put "ego-blinders" on and disregard melo's natural abilities as a playmaker?

what do you think?

i would LOVE for melo to become a playmaker along the lines of dirk and pierce-- both dirk and pierce evolved into playmakers relatively late, but when they did it elevated their team and brought them success.


You're giving Karl too much credit as a coach imo. His playbook seemed to boil down to Melo Iso's or post-ups to Nene and that was about it (unless Lawson came in to freelance).
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Re: Dwyane Wade disrespects Chauncey Billups 

Post#189 » by dk7th » Wed Oct 5, 2011 11:56 am

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NYman15 wrote:If they don't get Cp3 or Deron, I'd like Nash, if he's to coming to NY and continue playing. He's already a hall of famer and could play for a contender, in NY, where he lives part time, play with his old friend Amare, and arguably the purest scorer in the NBA in Melo. I know he doesn't play much D, but he could really get the mot out of Melo and as we've seen, could do great things with Amare. Nash isn't my 1st choice, but he could be a FA and could make some sense.



nash? depends on how much he wants. he isn't a money grubber that's for certain. if he asks for more than 4-5 million i think the knicks would be happy with that as we try to find a legit defender in the middle or develop jordan.



edit: if he asks for 4-5 million

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