Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford?

[NoMoreThrees]

LOL at people discounting Shumpert

and the foul.

no. and here is why.

shumperts. Weaknesses: Lacks stability/discipline on the court ... Inconsistent … Not efficient at all ... Horrid shot-selection ... Liable to shoot at any time, even when being closely guarded ... Likes to shoot off the dribble on a good deal of his isolation possessions, despite only connecting on 20% of these attempts ... Shoots nearly 5 three pointers per game, despite only shooting 27.8% from behind the arc ... Will often go for the flashy play instead of the easy play, which can lead to unforced turnovers ... Very poor jump shooter, and hasn't shown any improvement in this area during his three-year career with Georgia Tech ... Needs the ball in his hands a lot to be effective on offense and he certainly won't have as many isolation opportunities at the next level ... Should look to take advantage of his size and strength more in the post, but has yet to add this dimension to his game ... Attitude has been questioned in the past, but to his credit he appears to have matured over the past year ...

[Falstaffxx]

This reminds me of Melo retweeting the picture of him in a Knicks jersey to be honest. Only way I'm down for trading Toney to get Crawford is if we get Baron Davis.

Isn't this just a random guy with a Crawford jersey?

[Falstaffxx]

LOL at people discounting Shumpert

and the foul.

no. and here is why.

shumperts. Weaknesses: Lacks stability/discipline on the court ... Inconsistent … Not efficient at all ... Horrid shot-selection ... Liable to shoot at any time, even when being closely guarded ... Likes to shoot off the dribble on a good deal of his isolation possessions, despite only connecting on 20% of these attempts ... Shoots nearly 5 three pointers per game, despite only shooting 27.8% from behind the arc ... Will often go for the flashy play instead of the easy play, which can lead to unforced turnovers ... Very poor jump shooter, and hasn't shown any improvement in this area during his three-year career with Georgia Tech ... Needs the ball in his hands a lot to be effective on offense and he certainly won't have as many isolation opportunities at the next level ... Should look to take advantage of his size and strength more in the post, but has yet to add this dimension to his game ... Attitude has been questioned in the past, but to his credit he appears to have matured over the past year ...

Cutting and pasting a pre-draft report makes for a substantive post.

[NBA Fan 1234]

This reminds me of Melo retweeting the picture of him in a Knicks jersey to be honest. Only way I'm down for trading Toney to get Crawford is if we get Baron Davis.

Isn't this just a random guy with a Crawford jersey?

I hope so lol...if not, Crawford got fat.

My point was that it's closer to Melo retweeting the pic of him in a Knicks jersey than it is to LeBron in a Yankees hat. I'm not trying to say that he's coming here.

[Knicker23]

More telling that Crawford said he won't be at scrimmage on Friday - whatever that means.

Sam Amick adds some traction to this too. Definitely something there. Whether it happens, who knows.

[Falstaffxx]

More telling that Crawford said he won't be at scrimmage on Friday - whatever that means.

Sam Amick adds some traction to this too. Definitely something there. Whether it happens, who knows.

He said he won't be at the Hawks scrimmage. He's a free agent.

[AllanHoustonFan]

C'mon ITGM. This reminds me of people going crazy because Lebron was wearing a Yankee hat.

In what sense, lol?

To me he is just tweeting a random picture of a fan with his jersey on. I think it's a reach to think this means something just like Lebron's hat.

[GONYK]

Barea/Baron and Crawford >>>> Hoping Toney wakes up a PG

If only it were a package deal where we also get Barea or Baron.

I gotta think something else is at play here if we get Jamal.

[Anotha Knicks fan]

Couple of observations with this move...
Firstly, would many of you say Jcraw is a better point than Toney? Serious question. I mean defense/offense differences aside. Who dribbles the ball better, who passes better, who facilitates an offense better? Cause right now, I'm thinking Toney is our starting point, and I don't know enough about Shump to believe all these claims he's good.

Next Bibby is not starter material. /thought process.

I'm thinking, either the FO is really high on Shump, and believes we can really run our offense through him and Melo, or they think we can start Craw at point.

IMO if we can make this move without moving TD23 (not because he's unmoveable) then we should do it. If not, then only if we can secure another point. I dont mind Craw back, and wouldn't mind his scoring... we just need a facilitator, and he is not one.

edit... checked out the stats and JCraw's best APG was in 07-08, where he averaged 4.6 assists, whereas Toney's best year was last year at 4.7. not that much of a difference... hmm.. what do you guys think?

I agree with the general points here, but one correction - Douglas only averaged 3 assists last year.

Yeah, I goofed that one up. That was his preseason averages, which mean nothing. 3.0 is his highest, and that was last year. Still intriguing. I can see how some posters are really conflicted. I am too, but unlike others, I'm leaning more on keeping TD than going for JCraw.

PS... that ish with CP3 is crazy... Glad we shut that door quick. I'd hate to have that linger around longer than it did. We suffered enough with the Melo-drama.

[Knicker23]

More telling that Crawford said he won't be at scrimmage on Friday - whatever that means.

Sam Amick adds some traction to this too. Definitely something there. Whether it happens, who knows.

He said he won't be at the Hawks scrimmage. He's a free agent.

Ahhh I was thinking for some reason he was on the team with all these sign and trade talks.

[NYK StateOfMind]

I don't want a soon to be 32 year old Crawford in March, over an up and coming young Knicks talent in TD23; one whom actually plays with 100% effort and heart on the defensive end of the court.

I really hope we don't lose Douglas for Crawford...

bibby is 33.

So what? We didn't have to trade away one our best young talent for Bibby, now did we? Douglas has the talent and heart to become something special on the defensive end of the court. Crawford will hurt us on defense.

[HighRyzer83]

Why Dolan undoing what Walsh took 3 years to heal?

[Da_Mane_Man]

guys, crawford wouldn't be our starter. he is NOT a starter ... especially around this group. he is and would be the perfect 6th man for us. our bench scoring was a HUUUGE weakness last year. to the point where we would have to play amare and melo separately just to avoid having no scoring threat on the court when our bench came in. THAT'S what this move would be about. STOP penciling him in as a starter.

that being said, this would be a very good addition for us. completely different situation than when he was here before. this time, if he's cold, you yank him easily in favor of fields or shump. if he's hot, we win the game. easy.

[Falstaffxx]

guys, crawford wouldn't be our starter. he is NOT a starter ... especially around this group. he is and would be the perfect 6th man for us. our bench scoring was a HUUUGE weakness last year. to the point where we would have to play amare and melo separately just to avoid having no scoring threat on the court when our bench came in. THAT'S what this move would be about. STOP penciling him in as a starter.

that being said, this would be a very good addition for us. completely different situation than when he was here before. this time, if he's cold, you yank him easily in favor of fields or shump. if he's hot, we win the game. easy.

You think he would come off the bench behind Shumpert/Fields?

[knicks718]

Crawford has this as one of the last pics he tweeted.

you do realize this was posted on Nov 20th right?

[Thugger HBC]

Why Dolan undoing what Walsh took 3 years to heal?

Dolan seems to be building a contender.

An expensive one, but he is building one.

Dolan is earning my respect little by little.

[MaseInYourFace]

Crawford has a much better handle than tony but craws mentality is too much of a scorer. Playing him fulltime as a point would be a disaster IMO.

I don't think Crawford has a much better handle than Douglas.

Really? Interesting. Craw to me is a much more natural ballhandler whereas tony looks uncomfortable at times. Also craw has one of the nastier crossovers in the league, something he could have used more effectively in his career but I digress.

I think craw had tools to be a good pg but somewhere along the way his scoring tendencies just overpowered them. To make him a PG at this juncture, disastrous.

[MaseInYourFace]

Why Dolan undoing what Walsh took 3 years to heal?

Dolan seems to be building a contender.

An expensive one, but he is building one.

Dolan is earning my respect little by little.

We are still keeping some flexibility...

[Thugger HBC]

Does anyone really think Crawford would be a chucker with Amar'e and Melo here?

Even Chandler would have an issue trying to rebound awful shots.

We have a veteran core in their prime.

These roles players will fall in line.

[The_Philosopher]

Toney Douglas 24 MPG last season - 41.6% FG, 37% 3PT FG, 10.6 ppg, 3.0 apg

Jamal Crawford 30 MPG last season - 42.1% FG (career 41%), 34% 3PT FG (career 35%), 14.2 ppg, 3.2 apg

So, who do I take?

Oh yeah, I take the lesser of two evils - aka the guy who will at least play with some effort on defense.