Around the NBA part 2

[yaboynyp]

Actually, I maintain that if the Knicks signed Lin instead of Felton they would have a chance at a championship this year or next. Nobody has been proven wrong so just stop with the hyperbolic statements. We will never know what Lin would have done on the Knicks regardless of what happens this season. But the truth of the matter is that Lin is on an upward trajectory this season while Felton is on a downward trajectory.

The only time the "Lin fanboys" or whatever post here is when certain posters bash him for every poor game he has. I am not even the biggest Lin fan- I just can't stand when good guys get unnecessary hate from small minded posters who have anger issues.

12/6 on 42% shooting and that an upward trajectory? LOL. I would hate to know where you think he started from if that's an "upward trajectory".

Felton is in a shooting slump, but he can always get you the ball past half court and he can play above average defense. Lin can do neither and that's why saying the Knicks would be better with him is completely laughable and baseless.

I don't think you understand what a point guard is. You're making joke of yourself with these ridiculous statements.

By "upward trajectory" I'm referring to his recent games.

SPLITS GP MPG FG% RPG APG BLKPG STPGPFPG PPG
Last 10 Games 10 31.7 .509 3.0 6.2 0.7 1.5 2.8 15.0

On good defense. Not going to debate your other false claims. Watch the games.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... f-defense/ KS needs to watch more games…lol

[Woodsanity]

You call this proof? TD got lit up as soon he was put in in place of Lin. Try looking at some facts instead of using such useless proof. Lin is an average defender or slightly above average defender based on stats and eye test. Certainly not a terrible defender. If you want to look at a terrible defender look at Kyrie Irving, Steve Nash, or D. Will.

This is even funnier due to the downright abysmal defense that Felton has played. Getting torched by scrub PGs all the time. Defensive rating of 109.... Disgusting to watch him chuck shots and get burned on defense.

[Falstaffxx]

By "upward trajectory" I'm referring to his recent games.

SPLITS GP MPG FG% RPG APG BLKPG STPGPFPG PPG
Last 10 Games 10 31.7 .509 3.0 6.2 0.7 1.5 2.8 15.0

On good defense. Not going to debate your other false claims. Watch the games.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... f-defense/ KS needs to watch more games…lol

Lin's defense looks okay to me whenever I watch. It's the same stuff you see with most point guards. His only real problem has been 3-point shooting, but his overall good play has made up for that. People talk about Felton in terms of the Knicks results - well Lin is playing on the youngest team in the NBA, with an average of 2 years experience across the roster, and they are over .500, so that is impressive too.

[Getouttahea22]

You call this proof? TD got lit up as soon he was put in in place of Lin. Try looking at some facts instead of using such useless proof. Lin is an average defender or slightly above average defender based on stats and eye test. Certainly not a terrible defender. If you want to look at a terrible defender look at Kyrie Irving, Steve Nash, or D. Will.

This is even funnier due to the downright abysmal defense that Felton has played. Getting torched by scrub PGs all the time. Defensive rating of 109.... Disgusting to watch him chuck shots and get burned on defense.

I agree with a lot of this, but it's important to note also that using TD's defense against Tony Parker might not be the best example. I consider Tony Parker one of the best PG in the league so it's hard for anyone to stay in front of him consistently. Although I think Lin played some solid D that game.

Overall, when it comes to defense on the perimeter, it seems like the way the rules are now in the NBA (no hand checking) it's hard to ask your guards to do much more than stay in front of their man as much as possible, play the occasional passing lane, rotate well and play solid team defense. Trying to "shut down" a perimeter player seems like it is more of a team effort than individual. As for Lin, he has a decent amount of steals and he gets the occasional block and draws the occasional charge, so he seems like a solid perimeter defender.

[j4remi]

Honestly guys, I'm bored with the Lin debate...I really didn't like how the Rockets utilized him but I think he's begun to adjust and will improve. I'm disappointed in a few things about his development but you know what, he was injured for a lot of his offseason so I can't expect broad improvements in weak areas of his game (I want him to improve his jumper's consistency and left handed drives, he's still visibly slower going left).

At this point though, we see the same damned debate every 5 or so Rockets games and neither side is budging. Maybe a truce for a month or two would help provide a broader perspective for both sides?

Anyway, I really wanna talk about the wiretap article that says the Pistons are interested in Cousins...WHY!? Drummond and Monroe...they're good at both front court positions for YEARS and there's no character question involved. I also wonder if the C's are smart to go after him, because Rondo is volatile enough as it is.

[JustaKnickFan]

You call this proof? TD got lit up as soon he was put in in place of Lin. Try looking at some facts instead of using such useless proof. Lin is an average defender or slightly above average defender based on stats and eye test. Certainly not a terrible defender. If you want to look at a terrible defender look at Kyrie Irving, Steve Nash, or D. Will.

This is even funnier due to the downright abysmal defense that Felton has played. Getting torched by scrub PGs all the time. Defensive rating of 109.... Disgusting to watch him chuck shots and get burned on defense.

Felton's defense isn't abysmal. Do you watch Knicks games? It's our bad transition D and PnR D that allows PGs to go off on us, not bad D by Felton.

[bfpri]

Felton would've let Tony Parker go for 40. Thank goodness the Knicks don't have to go past the Spurs.

[JustaKnickFan]

Yeah, thank god we didn't play the spurs

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400277840

[yaboynyp]

You call this proof? TD got lit up as soon he was put in in place of Lin. Try looking at some facts instead of using such useless proof. Lin is an average defender or slightly above average defender based on stats and eye test. Certainly not a terrible defender. If you want to look at a terrible defender look at Kyrie Irving, Steve Nash, or D. Will.

This is even funnier due to the downright abysmal defense that Felton has played. Getting torched by scrub PGs all the time. Defensive rating of 109.... Disgusting to watch him chuck shots and get burned on defense.

Yes when the coach of the team says he substituted player A ( Lin) for player B (TD) for defensive purposes I believe that is proof that the coach views Player A’s defense as a liability. Especially in light of your comment that you believe that player B’s defense is also lacking…

[yaboynyp]

Yeah, thank god we didn't play the spurs

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400277840

19 is the new 40….

[Capn'O]

Anyway, I really wanna talk about the wiretap article that says the Pistons are interested in Cousins...WHY!? Drummond and Monroe...they're good at both front court positions for YEARS and there's no character question involved. I also wonder if the C's are smart to go after him, because Rondo is volatile enough as it is.

Because Dumars is a **** moron.

Remember when he was EOTY. Seems like eons ago. Since then he's done nothing but duplicate talent. It's like he's building the NBA's Noah's Ark.

[Thugger HBC]

Honestly guys, I'm bored with the Lin debate...I really didn't like how the Rockets utilized him but I think he's begun to adjust and will improve. I'm disappointed in a few things about his development but you know what, he was injured for a lot of his offseason so I can't expect broad improvements in weak areas of his game (I want him to improve his jumper's consistency and left handed drives, he's still visibly slower going left).

At this point though, we see the same damned debate every 5 or so Rockets games and neither side is budging. Maybe a truce for a month or two would help provide a broader perspective for both sides?

Anyway, I really wanna talk about the wiretap article that says the Pistons are interested in Cousins...WHY!? Drummond and Monroe...they're good at both front court positions for YEARS and there's no character question involved. I also wonder if the C's are smart to go after him, because Rondo is volatile enough as it is.

Yeah, I do agree the convo is pretty much the same every time depending on his play, long as it's tucked in here.... cool.....of course we'll see more of it tonite against OKC.

I'm wondering what is the Pistons thinking on this as well, they dont need Cousins at all, they need to play Drummond and Monroe together and quit playing around.

They should be better than what they are, they have some decent pieces, and making a possible move like this will backfire.

[Wolfgang]

Lin is going to have a bad game tonight. It's a back to back and they were gassed from playing San Antonio last night. Knicks fans can't let Jeremy go. It's sad that you root for him to fail.

[yaboynyp]

The Pistons are thinking Monroe is tapped out as far as potential goes. They don’t like the fit next to Drummond unless Monroe develops a solid Jumpshot from at least 15-18. They think they can get a similiar player in Cousins (stats wise) with more upside.. Monroe’s my guy but he does need to step his game up..

[Thugger HBC]

To be honest I think Cousins ceiling IS Monroe.
Thats the strange part.

[yaboynyp]

To be honest I think Cousins ceiling IS Monroe.
Thats the strange part.

Lol.. Idk Cousins could be nice but like I said Monroe’s my guy. If he could develop a consistent jumper I think he could average a legit 18 10 and 4 assists... The Pistons aren’t sure he could be a top 3 scorer on a contending team and they have to make a decision on him next year. Maybe they’re using it to push him to improve, who knows.

Or they’re starting a slow tank waiting on that 2014 draft. Wiggins, Harrison Twins, Jabari Parker, and Julius Randle.. Yeesh they’re bound to get one

[Bill Bradley]

so 12/6 on 42% shooting is terrible and gets you out of the league these days? Good to know.

12/6 on 42% shooting with terrible defense and suspect ball handling could get you out of this league. I really think he's not going to be in the NBA long-term.

Where do people get this crap? "Terrible defense?" The entire season Lin's been near elite in defense for his position, if you care to check Synergy and advanced stats or watching games instead of parroting a bunch of bs.

His turnovers are also a non-issue now as he's learned to protect the ball more, if anything his teammate Harden is the bigger TO problem this season for the Rockets.

Lin started the season terribly shooting-wise but since the first game vs NY and as his knee fully recovered he's been really good.

He's shooting over 50% the last 16 games since then and averaging close to 7 assists per game while splitting PG duties with Harden. If he had the same usage rate as other PGs he'd be averaging double digit assists.

Since his 22 and 8 against NY:

18 and 6 against Philly
15 and 11 against Memphis
20 and 11 against Bulls
He also put up 21 and 8 tonight with 4 steals vs SAS.

I'm sure he's going to be out of the league soon....

It's not worth trying to debate these trolls. You can provide whatever stats you want to show them they don't have a clue, and they will jut respond with Lin "sucks" or he "can't play defense" or is turnover prone just based on their own biases or whatever negative stuff they can remember from last season when they may have actually watched him play. Then they will attack you personally. These are probably 15 year old kids who have socoi-emotional problems- kind of silly to argue with them. Glad there are still some intelligent posters on this board though.

[duetta]

Gallo finally put up some serious numbers last night. Too bad he started off the season in such putrid fashion. He's still got a ways to go before he starts justifying his new salary.

[knicksnyk]

You call this proof? TD got lit up as soon he was put in in place of Lin. Try looking at some facts instead of using such useless proof. Lin is an average defender or slightly above average defender based on stats and eye test. Certainly not a terrible defender. If you want to look at a terrible defender look at Kyrie Irving, Steve Nash, or D. Will.

This is even funnier due to the downright abysmal defense that Felton has played. Getting torched by scrub PGs all the time. Defensive rating of 109.... Disgusting to watch him chuck shots and get burned on defense.

Felton's defense isn't abysmal. Do you watch Knicks games? It's our bad transition D and PnR D that allows PGs to go off on us, not bad D by Felton.

Felton has played the most minutes of any Knick, and he has the worst Def xRAPM:

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/teams/NYK.html

[Thugger HBC]

You call this proof? TD got lit up as soon he was put in in place of Lin. Try looking at some facts instead of using such useless proof. Lin is an average defender or slightly above average defender based on stats and eye test. Certainly not a terrible defender. If you want to look at a terrible defender look at Kyrie Irving, Steve Nash, or D. Will.

This is even funnier due to the downright abysmal defense that Felton has played. Getting torched by scrub PGs all the time. Defensive rating of 109.... Disgusting to watch him chuck shots and get burned on defense.

Felton's defense isn't abysmal. Do you watch Knicks games? It's our bad transition D and PnR D that allows PGs to go off on us, not bad D by Felton.

Felton has played the most minutes of any Knick, and he has the worst Def xRAPM:

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/teams/NYK.html

But second to Melo on the offensive side using that material? Gotta trust your eyes sometimes.