Trade Felton

[nyknicks09]

He is Jamal Crawford 2.0

Woodson should bring him off the bench.

Starte Kidd, Novak, Copeland, Melo and Chandler until Amar'e comes back. Let Melo bring the ball up the court like MDA use to do with him.

We tried this experiment before. We were below .500 doing so.

I see!

Defensively is not a good starting line up. I think once Shumpert comes back, we are going to see a better balance on both side of the court. Brewer, Copeland and Novak are either good defensively or offensively. I like Felton but he needs to take better shots or take the open lane and not just settle for the jumper.

[egelband]

Ray has some dips in shooting over a season that can be significant. But, as someone posted earlier, if he combined elite pg shooting with his other talents he would be a max cat and still in Charlotte. Ray does a lot of things well, not the least of which is get the most out of his bigs. That means his value to the team will increase further upon STAT's return.

Know what else?

He loves playing at the Mecca with New York on his chest. He plays hard, is a good, if not great talent....

Oh yeah, he also has his team playing over .700 ball, with a 5.5 game lead on Christmas. I'm going to go ahead and vote to keep him.

Hard to think that anyone feels that this team is underperforming and in need of significant roster change given its record and noting that two of its pre-season projected starters have yet to take the court. Good times, bad OP.

exactly. he's not perfect but he's solid and plays hard and really appears to care about being a knick. lin may have more skill and may end up having the better career. but lin didn't want to be a knick. felton did. it's not the only thing, obviously, but it's important.

[earthmansurfer]

He is a 41% FG shooter who takes about 5 terrible shots per game. As the year wears on and this continues, we really need to bring the Lin debacle up. Not to rub it in, but to make management accountable. We had a great and young PG, who needed some work, and suddenly we want to save money.

Felton isn't bad, but he isn't a starter on a championship caliber team, it appears. How does he even get 2 assists on this team? I am still not sure how that is possible. The pain of Lin grows deeper as the season wears on, Lin (and Harden) have a nothing team above 500 and in the race for a playoff spot. Yes, we are the BETTER team, but we could have been better had we just held on to him and let the kid grow. Now we have a so so IQ PG running this team... sad for Knicks fans as usual.

More than likely this will be brough up again and again, cause Knicks fans are not followers, we can think and express when need be.

You mean Harden has been keeping a nothing team above .500. Lin just recently has had a decent 3 game stretch. Besides that and that one game against the Spurs, he's been struggling for pretty much the entire season. People were talking about how bad of a contract he was already or did you forget that? Only thing he's been better than Felton this season is steals, getting to the FT and shooting a better percentage from there. Everything else is either a wash or Felton is better. And this only started happening when Felton got injured, so please don't bring Lin up when he hasn't done **** this year to prove he's better than anyone.

It is clear that Harden is a near great to great player but it is also equally as clear that he struggles when Lin is out of the game - time and time again. So, instead of making this a black and white thing, give credit where credit is due.

Yes, Lin HAD been struggling but he also WAS coming back from injury - you left that out.

Lin is a better defender than Felton, he sees the floor A LOT BETTER than Felton, gets more steals, he is a better passer than Felton and his overall IQ is leaps better. Anyway, the point is that Lin is a better leader. He took a bunch of scrubs here on an 8 game winning streak and turned the season around. His play lately is clearly on the rise. He is shooting above Felton FG% wise if you haven't checked.

It is a team game, remember...

[Sky_Knicks]

Op is right. Felton is trash.

[matchman]

give the man a break! just look at his hands!!!

You sure his hand is like that?

[knicksnyk]

give the man a break! just look at his hands!!!

You sure his hand is like that?

If Feltons hands are so bad he shouldn't be shooting as much. Clyde said as much stop shooting & pass. Felton isn't enough of a playmaker. he shoots way to much & isn't good enough at it.

[Leaguepass]

He is Jamal Crawford 2.0

Woodson should bring him off the bench.

Starte Kidd, Novak, Copeland, Melo and Chandler until Amar'e comes back. Let Melo bring the ball up the court like MDA use to do with him.

Wow...if you thought the Knicks were starting games slow on defense I can assure you this line-up would give up close to 40 points in the first quarter alone. If you put Novak and Copeland against opposing starters it's a complete recipe for desaster.

[Leaguepass]

I honestly don't understand the Felton debate. If anyone thought he'd keep shooting 45% from the field and 40% from 3 the entire season he was in for getting let down. I mean the percentages he shot early on were percentages great offensive PGs like a Steph Curry etc. shoot. Felton is a guy that is solid in a lot of areas but not great at anything really. It's exactly what you'd expect for a guy signing for 4mill. per year.

[Vorikan]

He is a solid point guard,but still i would rather trust Kidd when crunch times comes in the Playoffs

[Kampuchea]

people make rash judgements based on stretches of games. Earlier in the season he was playing awesome and people similarly overreacted.

[Kampuchea]

He is a solid point guard,but still i would rather trust Kidd when crunch times comes in the Playoffs

nope. Dont want to become a strictly perimeter team. Felton is the only guy besides Melo that can get to the hoop. With no penetration from our PG we will shoot even more contested 3's

[Leaguepass]

people make rash judgements based on stretches of games. Earlier in the season he was playing awesome and people similarly overreacted.

Yeah this. Early on people were calling him the steal of the offseason. I still don't get what people are really expecting from a guy making below the midlevel exception?I mean it's obvious we have commited most our money to our frontline so we had to get the best guys available for the guard positions. Felton is solid overall and exactly what you'd expect given the circumstances---the main problem has been that Stat has missed the entire season and Melo has been out 4 games as well thus making Felton the number 1 or 2 option which he clearly is not.

I also said it earlier and I'll say it again.....Chandler is not the pick and roll player that Stat is. If the opposing team has competent big men they can severely limit the Felton/Tyson pick and roll because Tyson can essentially only finish within 5 feet. Stat on the other hand gives Felton much more opportunities. People are judging Felton unfairly right now.

[Jezus]

Op is right. Felton is trash.

If Felton is trash, we will not be 20-7, but 16-11. Please, stop being ridiculous. YOU know Felton is one of the only few guys in our team who can create his own shot and have the adequate speed to drive into the lane. Earlier in the season he has performed spectacularly in the offensive end. Why didn't you say he's a trash that time?

[Knicksfan20]

He is a solid point guard,but still i would rather trust Kidd when crunch times comes in the Playoffs

nope. Dont want to become a strictly perimeter team. Felton is the only guy besides Melo that can get to the hoop. With no penetration from our PG we will shoot even more contested 3's

these people who actually want him gone are complete morons. I almost can't take the stupidity of this board sometimes. Bet you 2 weeks from now there will be a thread made... "is Felton a top 5 pg" or something like that. Sure lets trade our starting pg on a team that 20-7 and while he's playing hurt with no amare and the rest of our bugs being injured. Lets forget that he single handedly won us a few games in the beginning of the season and was playing like an all star before hurting his hand.

I mean really people... Stfu and be patient. Appreciate the team and players we have. You people are never happy. How bout we go back to curry and Crawford and see if people will still complain about 20-7. Stfu and gtfoh.

[knicksnyk]

Op is right. Felton is trash.

If Felton is trash, we will not be 20-7, but 16-11. Please, stop being ridiculous. YOU know Felton is one of the only few guys in our team who can create his own shot and have the adequate speed to drive into the lane. Earlier in the season he has performed spectacularly in the offensive end. Why didn't you say he's a trash that time?

Yes Felton can create his own shot but he when he does that he creates terrible looks for himself. Also we didn't bring felton here to be creating his own shot, we brought him ehre to be creating for others. he hasn't been doing that. he had 2 assists last night. JR was creating for others a lot more than felton. really frustrating to say the least. And yes the knicks are 20-7 but Melo is a big reason for that. We are winning despite felton. felton got off to a hot start but he cooled off seriously & right now he is just plain bad. not because he can't play but because he chooses to play dumb.

[bronxknicksfan1]

He is a 41% FG shooter who takes about 5 terrible shots per game. As the year wears on and this continues, we really need to bring the Lin debacle up. Not to rub it in, but to make management accountable. We had a great and young PG, who needed some work, and suddenly we want to save money.

Felton isn't bad, but he isn't a starter on a championship caliber team, it appears. How does he even get 2 assists on this team? I am still not sure how that is possible. The pain of Lin grows deeper as the season wears on, Lin (and Harden) have a nothing team above 500 and in the race for a playoff spot. Yes, we are the BETTER team, but we could have been better had we just held on to him and let the kid grow. Now we have a so so IQ PG running this team... sad for Knicks fans as usual.

More than likely this will be brough up again and again, cause Knicks fans are not followers, we can think and express when need be.

You mean Harden has been keeping a nothing team above .500. Lin just recently has had a decent 3 game stretch. Besides that and that one game against the Spurs, he's been struggling for pretty much the entire season. People were talking about how bad of a contract he was already or did you forget that? Only thing he's been better than Felton this season is steals, getting to the FT and shooting a better percentage from there. Everything else is either a wash or Felton is better. And this only started happening when Felton got injured, so please don't bring Lin up when he hasn't done **** this year to prove he's better than anyone.

It is clear that Harden is a near great to great player but it is also equally as clear that he struggles when Lin is out of the game - time and time again. So, instead of making this a black and white thing, give credit where credit is due.

Yes, Lin HAD been struggling but he also WAS coming back from injury - you left that out.

Lin is a better defender than Felton, he sees the floor A LOT BETTER than Felton, gets more steals, he is a better passer than Felton and his overall IQ is leaps better. Anyway, the point is that Lin is a better leader. He took a bunch of scrubs here on an 8 game winning streak and turned the season around. His play lately is clearly on the rise. He is shooting above Felton FG% wise if you haven't checked.

It is a team game, remember...

How would Harden struggle when Lin is out of the game? Lin is basically a spot-up shooter when Harden is out there, which makes Lin more of a liability than anything since he's not a good shooter.

Wasn't that injury supposed to be last only a couple of week LAST season? I highly doubt that carried over into this season, especially since he was playing ball during the summer.

Lin hasn't shown he's a better defender than Felton either since he's been a net negative according to +/-. And for all the crap he gets, Felton has the Knicks playing better when he's on the court. It's the other way around with Lin and the Rockets. Also, how is Lin the leader of the Rockets? It's been pretty obvious that Harden has been leading that team all season. Lin JUST started to put up decent numbers.

Why are you bringing up those 8 games from LAST season? He sucked after those 8 games, but there's no point in bring that up because it's a new season. Why not talk about his abysmal first 20 games of this season? Felton has shown much more consistency this year than Lin has and just got into a funk since the MIA game and that's mainly due to the swelling in his hands. Without Felton, we're not 20-7 right now.

[bronxknicksfan1]

People are honestly looking for something to complain about, I'm guessing they're so used to b****ing all season and not used to winning

[Jezus]

Op is right. Felton is trash.

If Felton is trash, we will not be 20-7, but 16-11. Please, stop being ridiculous. YOU know Felton is one of the only few guys in our team who can create his own shot and have the adequate speed to drive into the lane. Earlier in the season he has performed spectacularly in the offensive end. Why didn't you say he's a trash that time?

Yes Felton can create his own shot but he when he does that he creates terrible looks for himself. Also we didn't bring felton here to be creating his own shot, we brought him ehre to be creating for others. he hasn't been doing that. he had 2 assists last night. JR was creating for others a lot more than felton. really frustrating to say the least. And yes the knicks are 20-7 but Melo is a big reason for that. We are winning despite felton. felton got off to a hot start but he cooled off seriously & right now he is just plain bad. not because he can't play but because he chooses to play dumb.

Please read the post above you.

[thebuzzardman]

Felton vs Lin. It's the new Gallo vs Melo. And we're only JUST getting started.

Mostly, it'll be where logic, reasoning and even handed debate go to die, and that's on both sides of the argument. Making logical points will be pissing in the breeze, only less refreshing.

Anyone who even debates that Gallo is even in the same zip code as Melo needs to stop watching basketball because they obviously don't understand it.

As far as Lin vs Felton. Who cares. You know what Lin might one day be 10 times the player that Felton is good for him. He is gone. The past cannot be changed. He is not a Knick. Rockets forum is that way.

We have Felton for better or worse. He has been good for us until his injury. He is serviceable. Yes he absolutely needs to play better and make better decisions but to make threads like these just smh.

I don't care. You don't care. There are dozens of people on this board who do care. Unfortunately, they will be posting vigorously and often.

[knicksnyk]

How would Harden struggle when Lin is out of the game? Lin is basically a spot-up shooter when Harden is out there, which makes Lin more of a liability than anything since he's not a good shooter.

Wasn't that injury supposed to be last only a couple of week LAST season? I highly doubt that carried over into this season, especially since he was playing ball during the summer.

Lin hasn't shown he's a better defender than Felton either since he's been a net negative according to +/-. And for all the crap he gets, Felton has the Knicks playing better when he's on the court. It's the other way around with Lin and the Rockets. Also, how is Lin the leader of the Rockets? It's been pretty obvious that Harden has been leading that team all season. Lin JUST started to put up decent numbers.

Why are you bringing up those 8 games from LAST season? He sucked after those 8 games, but there's no point in bring that up because it's a new season. Why not talk about his abysmal first 20 games of this season? Felton has shown much more consistency this year than Lin has and just got into a funk since the MIA game and that's mainly due to the swelling in his hands. Without Felton, we're not 20-7 right now.

THis is actually false. Lin defensively is much better than Felton not even close. Offensively the stats are a much closer Lins are trending upwards Felton trending down. To lazy to type out the offensive numbers also but I will if I have to.

Lin Defensive stats
Felton Defensive stats
*stats not yet updated to include most recent games*

Overall: 0.79 ppp ranked 85th in the NBA FG% 37.4 3FG% 32.2
Overall 0.83ppp FG% ranked 130th in the NBA FG% 38 3FG% 29.3

Isolation 0.69 ppp ranked 36th FG % 41.7 3FG% 38.5
Isolation 0.89PPP ranked 84th FG% 41.7 3FG% N/A

PNR Ball handler 0.71ppp ranked 44th FG% 37.9% 3FG% 16.7%
PNR Ball Handler 0.83 ppp ranked 98th FG% 42.4% 3FG% 26.7%

Spot up 0.99 ppp ranked 151st FG% 36.5% 3FG% 42
Spot up 0.92ppp ranked 97th FG% 35.1 3FG% 32.7

Please read the post above you.

Why didn't I say he was trash in the beginning of the season? Because I knew it wouldn't last. he is regressing to the mean bad as is to be expected. ray is playing at his paygrade right now I can't be to mad. would just prefer smart play over chucking.