E86 wrote:johnnywishbone wrote:
You are right. I can make my point without getting into insults.
You are also right in that they are many factors that make up a incident like Newtown. But it's statistically proven that the the number of guns in a society plays a large role in the amount of gun violence.
And really I'm not someone who wants to take away all the guns. Far from it. And the best argument is the one about it's not really the cause and there are technical issues with what do you consider semi-automatic and dressing up hunting rifles and all that.
But what blows my mind is the idea that we need guns to protect us from tyranny. People like Alex Jones are paranoid lunatics. I remember watching something years back of him saying that the government is putting fluoride in the water to make us dumb. I'm not calling everyone in here a paranoid lunatic but if you come here and say Alex Jones is absolutely right and we need to be ready for armageddon because it's coming then you should not own a firearm of any variety.
One thing I believe is that there needs to be stricter gun controls Gun show loop holes need to be closed, and rifles and shot guns need to have the same kind of background checks that handguns require. I know their is a correlation between gun violence and the ability to own guns, that is undeniable. I just don't believe it's the causation. Even though they don't have guns, would you be excited to a see a group of rioting soccer fans coming toward you in England or something? You're still going to die either way.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and I think weird alarmists like Alex Jones are a poor representation of a rational discussion. I don't believe that we are a few years away from a big fascist take over. I understand that right now everything is fine. What I can't predict is what happens in the future, and that is what bugs me about disarming people in general. The founding fathers drew their beliefs from John Locke, a guy that died nearly 100 years before the Federalist papers, and Constitution. So by the standards of some people in this discussion his beliefs were antiquated and didn't apply. Yet, they are 300 years old now and still apply.
The bottom line is that there are instances where people are fighting a great power in the past, and in the present. The right to revolt is necessary to keep the government honest and sometimes peaceful demonstration works, and other times it doesn't.
I missed this post. This has been the most logical post from the opposing side I see and I don't have much gripe with it.
Not sure if serius… My comment was and I qoute..