Phil Jackson w/ Media

[Sprewell4Three]

Didn't read this whole thread but did Phil squash Asshola's story about him and Dolan being at odds?

yes

Mike Lupica doesn't think so lol

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[omerome]

Didn't read this whole thread but did Phil squash Asshola's story about him and Dolan being at odds?

yes

Mike Lupica doesn't think.

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Fixed.

[K_ick_God]

Seems to me that Phil has some big gifts for the GM job too -- because it's about psychology, negotiation, persuasion, confidence and executing a plan. These are all things he excels at.

[kosmovitelli]

Melo's not getting the Kobe Max from Phil...that's what I got from this.

Yep. Same for me. It's really odd to make that public. Almost like he's pushing Melo out. I don't think it's the case but he's already putting the blame on Melo by saying he's hoping he'll be true to his word. Either Melo made a strong commitment when Phil asked him if he was ready to take a paycut or Phil's trying to push him out.

Anyway, as I've said a few times already, it's difficult to ask Melo to take a paycut at this point. Phil mentioned Tim Duncan and Lebron but Tim Duncan did it when the Spurs were already a championship caliber team and they already had Parker and Ginobili. Despite taking a paycut, Duncan was still the highest paid player on the Spurs roster. Lebron did it in order to play with Wade and Bosh. Melo knows Amare and Tyson will likely remain on the roster next year and they'll be gone in 2015. What kind of sacrifice can you ask at this point ? If the Knicks were under the cap and could sign both Rondo and Marc Gasol then you could ask Melo to take less money in order to make room for those players, you'd know exactly how much money you need Melo to leave on the table in order to assemble a winning team. At this point, both Phil Jackson and Melo are in the dark. If Melo takes less money and Knicks strike out in 2015 then Melo will be screwed.

For what it's wortj, even if Melo accepts a contract starting at $18 million then it will be almost $19.5 million in 2015 (with 7.5% raise). It's also hard to take a paycut when Amare makes $20+ million ! Also it's difficult to ask Melo to take a paycut if his future teammates in 2015 will make more money than him.

The way I see things, either Phil wouldn't mind seeing Melo leave via free agency or more likely he's just setting the bar for future free agents. If he offers Melo a contract starting at $17 million then in 2015, he'll apply the same logic for free agents, he will only pay market value. Basically, he's not really asking Melo to take a paycut to help the team, he's simply asking him to accept a contract reflecting his basketball value. Melo's not Kobe and he's not worth $24 mil per season. He wants him to acknowledge that. I hope that's the case and he means the times of overpaying are over and losing a player to free agency isn't the apocalypse for the team and it's something he's willing to accept if the price isn't right.

[Rasho Brezec]

I'd like to see the look on Melo's face when Phil offers him 4 years, 80 million, and he realizes he's not the man anymore.

I would like to see the look on your face when he actually signs that deal and is on the team for the rest of his career.

Don't give a ****, his ego will suffer more than mine.

[NYKAL]

kind of amazing that he admitted that. they sandbagged the season. what up tapeemall

What kind of mental midget admits that? How do you bring back a player that admits they quit on a season for crying out loud.

It's human nature to doubt your leadership if you don't believe they know what their doing. There's nothing wrong with this. Have some perspective.

Amare said it more than once. He said it during the exit interview and he said it after the very last game. Said players did not buy into what the coach was selling.

Tyson Chandler definitely. Some have added Felton to the list but, I don't think his struggles were due to buying in. He had BIGGER problem with gun thing and his ex-wife trying to destroy him. Not that he DIDN'T bring all of that on himself. The wife hate and the legal problems...all his own fault.

[god shammgod]

I'd like to see the look on Melo's face when Phil offers him 4 years, 80 million, and he realizes he's not the man anymore.

I would like to see the look on your face when he actually signs that deal and is on the team for the rest of his career.

Don't give a ****, his ego will suffer more than mine.

[NYKat]

I'd like to see the look on Melo's face when Phil offers him 4 years, 80 million, and he realizes he's not the man anymore.

I would like to see the look on your face when he actually signs that deal and is on the team for the rest of his career.

Don't give a ****, his ego will suffer more than mine.

Melo agreed to take less a long time ago, you seem to be missing that

[god shammgod]

What kind of mental midget admits that? How do you bring back a player that admits they quit on a season for crying out loud.

It's human nature to doubt your leadership if you don't believe they know what their doing. There's nothing wrong with this. Have some perspective.

Amare said it more than once. He said it during the exit interview and he said it after the very last game. Said players did not buy into what the coach was selling.

Tyson Chandler definitely. Some have added Felton to the list but, I don't think his struggles were due to buying in. He had BIGGER problem with gun thing and his ex-wife trying to destroy him. Not that he DIDN'T bring all of that on himself. The wife hate and the legal problems...all his own fault.

yeah, tyson & amare strike me as two of the biggest culprits. shump too.

[NYKat]

It's human nature to doubt your leadership if you don't believe they know what their doing. There's nothing wrong with this. Have some perspective.

Amare said it more than once. He said it during the exit interview and he said it after the very last game. Said players did not buy into what the coach was selling.

Tyson Chandler definitely. Some have added Felton to the list but, I don't think his struggles were due to buying in. He had BIGGER problem with gun thing and his ex-wife trying to destroy him. Not that he DIDN'T bring all of that on himself. The wife hate and the legal problems...all his own fault.

yeah, tyson & amare strike me as two of the biggest culprits. shump too.

jason kidd was the first

[devv83]

Phil gets it (of course) and has the gravitas to know when to challenge a player. Melo needs to start sacrificing from Point A if he wants to win big. Phil can get him there, but he'll have to start sacrificing. That's the only way you win a title.

People are dubious about Melo taking less for the good of the team because he's been so adamant about opting out.

I honestly think Melo had no intention of leaving the Knicks. He just wanted to be wined and dined ala Dwight Howard. He wanted to be a hero but the narrative has changed

Coming into the season this was his plan:
>Have a competitive season like last year
>Opt out with fans begging for him back
>Meet with other teams
>Take a paycut (20 Mil) and sign a long deal with the Knicks.
>Win or Lose fans love him cause he shows he is about winning

Now the narrative is like this:
>Terrible season
>Fans still want Melo, not at Kobe-Max
>Here comes Phil
>If Melo takes a paycut it will look like Phil made him his b*tch, even if Melo intended to all along

I honestly think Melo had this thought out long in advanced. Especially for his image in New York, he wants to be seen as a winner. His brand is worth more than the extra million he would receive taking the Kobe-Max. You don't want to be on a long term deal in NY when people hate you.

I thought I was only one who thought this.

This whole thing has been a plan of Melo's all year. He isn't leaving new York, and taking less money does so much for his image, even if he doesn't win a chip.

The narrative on Melo when he takes less money for the team will change his image win or lose.





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[Red Vines]

I think Phil is being honest and is right. If Melo stays it means he's taking less money, putting ego aside, and buying into Phil's team philosophy. If he goes then he obviously wasn't the right guy for us going forward. I would cancel my summer ego tour if I were Melo.

[GONYK]

I would like to see the look on your face when he actually signs that deal and is on the team for the rest of his career.

Don't give a ****, his ego will suffer more than mine.

Melo agreed to take less a long time ago, you seem to be missing that

To be fair, he didn't agree to take it with us yet

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[Thugger HBC]

I would like to see the look on your face when he actually signs that deal and is on the team for the rest of his career.

Don't give a ****, his ego will suffer more than mine.

Melo agreed to take less a long time ago, you seem to be missing that

Phil said he hopes Melo is true to his word, nothing is agreed to. ....just words.

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[JBreezeNY]

Don't give a ****, his ego will suffer more than mine.

Melo agreed to take less a long time ago, you seem to be missing that

To be fair, he didn't agree to take it with us yet

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Nah he did during the All Star Break when he said even if he has to show up on Dolan's doorstep he'd take less.

[newyorker4ever]

I wish Phil Jackson was my Dad.

Hello Tom Selleck (Magnum PI)

[NYKat]

Don't give a ****, his ego will suffer more than mine.

Melo agreed to take less a long time ago, you seem to be missing that

Phil said he hopes Melo is true to his word, nothing is agreed to. ....just words.

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agreed is too strong a word, publicly suggested-- and suggested with us

[Buggin Out]

It's human nature to doubt your leadership if you don't believe they know what their doing. There's nothing wrong with this. Have some perspective.

Amare said it more than once. He said it during the exit interview and he said it after the very last game. Said players did not buy into what the coach was selling.

Tyson Chandler definitely. Some have added Felton to the list but, I don't think his struggles were due to buying in. He had BIGGER problem with gun thing and his ex-wife trying to destroy him. Not that he DIDN'T bring all of that on himself. The wife hate and the legal problems...all his own fault.

yeah, tyson & amare strike me as two of the biggest culprits. shump too.

It was weird with Shump, I think he sleepwalked the most out of anyone on the team. Most of the time he was just invisible. Tyson and Amare had their ups and downs where you can tell they didn't give a sh*t. But, Shump was just spaced out all season expect for the Texas games. He didn't have any swag and barely talked to any reporters before or after games. Honestly it was depressing,

[GONYK]

Melo agreed to take less a long time ago, you seem to be missing that

To be fair, he didn't agree to take it with us yet

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Nah he did during the All Star Break when he said even if he has to show up on Dolan's doorstep he'd take less.

That's not the same as ink on paper.

A lot has changed since then

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[Thugger HBC]

Melo's not getting the Kobe Max from Phil...that's what I got from this.

Yep. Same for me. It's really odd to make that public. Almost like he's pushing Melo out. I don't think it's the case but he's already putting the blame on Melo by saying he's hoping he'll be true to his word. Either Melo made a strong commitment when Phil asked him if he was ready to take a paycut or Phil's trying to push him out.

Anyway, as I've said a few times already, it's difficult to ask Melo to take a paycut at this point. Phil mentioned Tim Duncan and Lebron but Tim Duncan did it when the Spurs were already a championship caliber team and they already had Parker and Ginobili. Despite taking a paycut, Duncan was still the highest paid player on the Spurs roster. Lebron did it in order to play with Wade and Bosh. Melo knows Amare and Tyson will likely remain on the roster next year and they'll be gone in 2015. What kind of sacrifice can you ask at this point ? If the Knicks were under the cap and could sign both Rondo and Marc Gasol then you could ask Melo to take less money in order to make room for those players, you'd know exactly how much money you need Melo to leave on the table in order to assemble a winning team. At this point, both Phil Jackson and Melo are in the dark. If Melo takes less money and Knicks strike out in 2015 then Melo will be screwed.

For what it's wortj, even if Melo accepts a contract starting at $18 million then it will be almost $19.5 million in 2015 (with 7.5% raise). It's also hard to take a paycut when Amare makes $20+ million ! Also it's difficult to ask Melo to take a paycut if his future teammates in 2015 will make more money than him.

The way I see things, either Phil wouldn't mind seeing Melo leave via free agency or more likely he's just setting the bar for future free agents. If he offers Melo a contract starting at $17 million then in 2015, he'll apply the same logic for free agents, he will only pay market value. Basically, he's not really asking Melo to take a paycut to help the team, he's simply asking him to accept a contract reflecting his basketball value. Melo's not Kobe and he's not worth $24 mil per season. He wants him to acknowledge that. I hope that's the case and he means the times of overpaying are over and losing a player to free agency isn't the apocalypse for the team and it's something he's willing to accept if the price isn't right.

That's why needs to opt in, but I agree with you, it does sound like Phil may be pushing him out.

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