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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#181 » by Fat Kat » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:35 pm

KnicksGod wrote:Not a great sign that JR is getting praise from Fisher. I don't think he should even play.


We'll just have to hope that Fisher knows more about basketball and JR's game than you. His job is to get the most out of the players. I'm confident he'll do just that.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#182 » by GardenFaith » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:39 pm

Or the praise could just simply be ... 4 preseason game... no stupid pranks ...
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#183 » by suicidedeuce » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:50 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:I think Fisher is smart enough to know when a player is helping or hurting the team, and I think he will adjust accordingly.


While they were playing good basketball last season, JR Smith helped them very much.

Even his harshest critics, who won't acknowledge his relative effectiveness, have to at least acknowledge he didn't hurt the Knicks during the last couple of months of the season.

The trick isn't handing JR Smith the key to the car 40 mins a night, OR not letting him off the bench.

Its using the skills he does possess in an effective manner.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#184 » by Ignitowsky » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:02 pm

KnicksGod wrote:Not a great sign that JR is getting praise from Fisher. I don't think he should even play.

No green font?

Fisher has had great things to say about JR, and that IMO should be viewed as a very good sign.
"Jay has been great from day one. He’s engaged, he’s asking questions. He wants to get this right," Fisher said. "And we as a staff, we appreciate it and value it tremendously. The more guys we have like that the better. And so you can see on a daily basis, he’s picking more things up. The type of questions he asks are with understanding of most of it, and then maybe there’s one thing to add to it. But he’s coming along really well and we’re looking forward to what he can do for us as he gets more comfortable."

Fisher was asked Friday if he felt the need to address the issue of maturity or off-court conduct with Smith, as ex-coach Mike Woodson had over the past two seasons when Smith got into trouble with the league and the team.

"What I've tried to do with all of our guys, not just J.R., is kind of manage our relationship based on our relationship and not the relationships they have may have had with other people and other coaches," Smith said. "I can only measure our relationship on our experiences, and so far it hasn't been necessary to address anyone about maturity and accountability and trying to be one of the many leaders that we'll need within our team. J's been great in that fashion, and I don't see any reason why he wouldn't continue. He's a smart player, and he's continuing to figure out ways to be effective within what we're doing."
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#185 » by K_ick_God » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:13 pm

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KnicksGod wrote:Not a great sign that JR is getting praise from Fisher. I don't think he should even play.

No green font?

Fisher has had great things to say about JR, and that IMO should be viewed as a very good sign.
"Jay has been great from day one. He’s engaged, he’s asking questions. He wants to get this right," Fisher said. "And we as a staff, we appreciate it and value it tremendously. The more guys we have like that the better. And so you can see on a daily basis, he’s picking more things up. The type of questions he asks are with understanding of most of it, and then maybe there’s one thing to add to it. But he’s coming along really well and we’re looking forward to what he can do for us as he gets more comfortable."

Fisher was asked Friday if he felt the need to address the issue of maturity or off-court conduct with Smith, as ex-coach Mike Woodson had over the past two seasons when Smith got into trouble with the league and the team.

"What I've tried to do with all of our guys, not just J.R., is kind of manage our relationship based on our relationship and not the relationships they have may have had with other people and other coaches," Smith said. "I can only measure our relationship on our experiences, and so far it hasn't been necessary to address anyone about maturity and accountability and trying to be one of the many leaders that we'll need within our team. J's been great in that fashion, and I don't see any reason why he wouldn't continue. He's a smart player, and he's continuing to figure out ways to be effective within what we're doing."


No green font. He is addition by subtraction.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#186 » by Manhattan Project » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:19 pm

JR Smith is an All-NBA type shooting guard if he ever realized potential, why wouldn't you be curious to see if he can get his head straight? Whether you put any stock in the mental approach to the game, it's quite evident that Jackson is. If he doesn't straighten it out, he's still one of the better sixth men in the league if he's not starting.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#187 » by Thugger HBC » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:23 pm

suicidedeuce wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:I think Fisher is smart enough to know when a player is helping or hurting the team, and I think he will adjust accordingly.


While they were playing good basketball last season, JR Smith helped them very much.

Even his harshest critics, who won't acknowledge his relative effectiveness, have to at least acknowledge he didn't hurt the Knicks during the last couple of months of the season.

The trick isn't handing JR Smith the key to the car 40 mins a night, OR not letting him off the bench.

Its using the skills he does possess in an effective manner.


From an article today.....

"What I've tried to do with all of our guys, not just J.R., is kind of manage our relationship based on our relationship and not the relationships they have may have had with other people and other coaches," Smith said. "I can only measure our relationship on our experiences, and so far it hasn't been necessary to address anyone about maturity and accountability and trying to be one of the many leaders that we'll need within our team. J's been great in that fashion, and I don't see any reason why he wouldn't continue. He's a smart player, and he's continuing to figure out ways to be effective within what we're doing."

Imo, I like Fishers approach...last year is last year, unrelated to this year.

Different coach, system, and goals with a clear midset of doing things within the structure set.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#188 » by ORANGEandBLUE » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:26 pm

GardenFaith wrote:I love Acy's energy but if one this this preseason has proven its that we cant score straight out the gate and this has being against preseason scrubs mainly.

Starting Jason Smith at PF makes more sense to me giving us not only a jumpshooter perfect to get the triangle going but also a big body on the boards.

That being said ive being a fan of Acy since the trade re watching Kings games from last season and said straight off the bat he would be a fan favorite which he has shown he can be the energy player to come off the bench kind of what we used to get from the JYD.

Our bench offense has been much weaker, which is why it's good to have Smith out there to bail out the offense with jumpers. And Acy's offensive limitations are somewhat hidden if he's out there with Melo and Calderon.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#189 » by Pharmcat » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:26 pm

Acy is not starter material, Jason smith is probably going to be the starting PF
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Post#190 » by riter » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:33 pm

getting back to Acy, I feel I have to state my opinion b/c it's so different from everyone else's it seems.
I think the guy is basically a scrub. He's too small and just not talented enough. I'm actually embarrassed to have him in the discussion as a possible starting PF for the Knicks.
Ofcourse, I hope I'm wrong and he proves to be the defensive force we need at that position. But I just don't see it.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#191 » by BodyCount » Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:15 pm

whoop whoop, acy''s going to start :D
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#192 » by Ignitowsky » Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:16 pm

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Ignitowsky wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:Not a great sign that JR is getting praise from Fisher. I don't think he should even play.

No green font?

Fisher has had great things to say about JR, and that IMO should be viewed as a very good sign.
"Jay has been great from day one. He’s engaged, he’s asking questions. He wants to get this right," Fisher said. "And we as a staff, we appreciate it and value it tremendously. The more guys we have like that the better. And so you can see on a daily basis, he’s picking more things up. The type of questions he asks are with understanding of most of it, and then maybe there’s one thing to add to it. But he’s coming along really well and we’re looking forward to what he can do for us as he gets more comfortable."

Fisher was asked Friday if he felt the need to address the issue of maturity or off-court conduct with Smith, as ex-coach Mike Woodson had over the past two seasons when Smith got into trouble with the league and the team.

"What I've tried to do with all of our guys, not just J.R., is kind of manage our relationship based on our relationship and not the relationships they have may have had with other people and other coaches," Smith said. "I can only measure our relationship on our experiences, and so far it hasn't been necessary to address anyone about maturity and accountability and trying to be one of the many leaders that we'll need within our team. J's been great in that fashion, and I don't see any reason why he wouldn't continue. He's a smart player, and he's continuing to figure out ways to be effective within what we're doing."


No green font. He is addition by subtraction.

We'll agree to disagree then. I think a focused and committed R is our second best player Besides, I think people deserve second chances and clean slates. I applaud what Fisher is doing. It's up to JR to live up to Fisher giving him this opportunity.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#193 » by Meat » Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:19 pm

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KnicksGod wrote:Not a great sign that JR is getting praise from Fisher. I don't think he should even play.

No green font?

Fisher has had great things to say about JR, and that IMO should be viewed as a very good sign.
"Jay has been great from day one. He’s engaged, he’s asking questions. He wants to get this right," Fisher said. "And we as a staff, we appreciate it and value it tremendously. The more guys we have like that the better. And so you can see on a daily basis, he’s picking more things up. The type of questions he asks are with understanding of most of it, and then maybe there’s one thing to add to it. But he’s coming along really well and we’re looking forward to what he can do for us as he gets more comfortable."

Fisher was asked Friday if he felt the need to address the issue of maturity or off-court conduct with Smith, as ex-coach Mike Woodson had over the past two seasons when Smith got into trouble with the league and the team.

"What I've tried to do with all of our guys, not just J.R., is kind of manage our relationship based on our relationship and not the relationships they have may have had with other people and other coaches," Smith said. "I can only measure our relationship on our experiences, and so far it hasn't been necessary to address anyone about maturity and accountability and trying to be one of the many leaders that we'll need within our team. J's been great in that fashion, and I don't see any reason why he wouldn't continue. He's a smart player, and he's continuing to figure out ways to be effective within what we're doing."


i know it's just chatter but when you read stuff like like about jr is actually gives some hope. then again it's just pre-season chatter.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#194 » by Pharmcat » Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:26 pm

why isn't a good sign JR is getting praised?

a productive JR = better for the team outcome
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#195 » by Ignitowsky » Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:57 pm

Meat wrote:
Ignitowsky wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:Not a great sign that JR is getting praise from Fisher. I don't think he should even play.

No green font?

Fisher has had great things to say about JR, and that IMO should be viewed as a very good sign.
"Jay has been great from day one. He’s engaged, he’s asking questions. He wants to get this right," Fisher said. "And we as a staff, we appreciate it and value it tremendously. The more guys we have like that the better. And so you can see on a daily basis, he’s picking more things up. The type of questions he asks are with understanding of most of it, and then maybe there’s one thing to add to it. But he’s coming along really well and we’re looking forward to what he can do for us as he gets more comfortable."

Fisher was asked Friday if he felt the need to address the issue of maturity or off-court conduct with Smith, as ex-coach Mike Woodson had over the past two seasons when Smith got into trouble with the league and the team.

"What I've tried to do with all of our guys, not just J.R., is kind of manage our relationship based on our relationship and not the relationships they have may have had with other people and other coaches," Smith said. "I can only measure our relationship on our experiences, and so far it hasn't been necessary to address anyone about maturity and accountability and trying to be one of the many leaders that we'll need within our team. J's been great in that fashion, and I don't see any reason why he wouldn't continue. He's a smart player, and he's continuing to figure out ways to be effective within what we're doing."


i know it's just chatter but when you read stuff like like about jr is actually gives some hope. then again it's just pre-season chatter.

I'll take good chatter over the crap that has gone down in the past. JR has great potential to screw up.....he said in a recent interview that he plays hard on and off the court...........but maybe Phish can keep him on a tight enough leash that he helps us.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#196 » by K_ick_God » Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:06 pm

Pharmcat wrote:why isn't a good sign JR is getting praised?

a productive JR = better for the team outcome


He shouldn't be given much of any role. Invest in Shumpert.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#197 » by GardenFaith » Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:08 pm

Pharmcat wrote:why isn't a good sign JR is getting praised?

a productive JR = better for the team outcome



I guess showing up to practice/games on time and sober should get some sort of praise.

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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#198 » by ctorres » Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:44 am

KnicksGod wrote:No green font. He is addition by subtraction.


Shump can't play 48 mpg for 82 games. Neither can Timmy and he's arguably the weakest on defense at the 2 spot. Cleanthony is not a SG and either way, he's too green. We still need JR.

Sorry, but it's too early in the year to assume that getting rid of JR is addition by subtraction. Unless you can honestly name me free agent SG-SF's who are available for minimum salary who are truly better than JR, we're probably better off riding it out with him.
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Post#199 » by god shammgod » Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:15 am

ctorres wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:No green font. He is addition by subtraction.


Shump can't play 48 mpg for 82 games. Neither can Timmy and he's arguably the weakest on defense at the 2 spot. Cleanthony is not a SG and either way, he's too green. We still need JR.

Sorry, but it's too early in the year to assume that getting rid of JR is addition by subtraction. Unless you can honestly name me free agent SG-SF's who are available for minimum salary who are truly better than JR, we're probably better off riding it out with him.


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Post#200 » by Capn'O » Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:15 am

Yeah - I think JR deserves a fair shake. To be judged on the merits on what he does under this regime. If for nothing else, because Carmelo and others on the team seem to like JR. There's no reason to be punitive. Especially if the Fishman wants to employ some small lineups there will be use for him.

That said - Shumpert all but looks to be wrapping up the starting spot. He's been a terrific bright spot so far with his awareness and leadership. We may need him at the 1 some which, again, underscores our need for more guards.


Now - if JR gets too into his funny business he needs to sit.
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