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Besart19 wrote:nykballa2k4 wrote:Besart19 wrote:
Harper with better playmaking abilities... Btw, Wear can be our Fox
Toni Kukoc = Lamar Odom... Other than Nicolas Batum, I can't recall other similar player
Gallinari is probably the current Lamar Odom type.
Better shooter and defender, worse passer, rebounder and driver/finisher!!
greenhughes wrote:mpharris36 wrote:greenhughes wrote:
So? He played like he played tonight in all those games then got hurt.
He also played very well during the regular seasons he was here with us exception of last year coming back from injury and even then he was not that damn bad. The thing with Tyson tough is that he's more like the final piece, he's not a core piece.
where we disagree is when you are paid 14 million you aren't considered a final piece you are a core piece as you eat up so much salary.
tyson was a dude in the playoffs and all of last year with his leadership and defense which is what he got paid to do and failed to do.
Who told us to pay him that money? I said when we signed him that was way too much. I knew what we got. We got EXACTLY what we signed up for.
This is my problem here with fans. How do you defend Shump earlier in this thread stating that we as fans should know what the deal is with his offense and that he has never been a great shooter and if we expect more that "you don't know what to tell us" but then don't apply that very same logic to any player that puts on a Knick jersey?
Tyson was in the league for a decade before he came here. You knew what he was. Why did you expect more? Because of his contract? Contracts don't make players better...
Chuck Texas wrote:Reading this thread makes me realize something. Either NY or Dallas got Bizarro Tyson Chandler and the other city got the real guy.
All the things you guys are ripping the guy for not doing are exactly what he brought here the first go-around and has brought back again.
I have some theories:
1. Tyson Chandler fancies himself a leader--especially on the defensive end. Dirk wasn't threatened by this because Dirk has always been more a lead by example guy than a vocal guy. So he was willing to let Chandler be big voice in the locker room. I wonder if that "big voice" didn't go over as well in a Melo-led locker room?
2. You always have to look at the money and we've had him in contract years both times. Of course it doesn't explain him taking the Knicks defense from poor to really good and winning the DPOY immediately after getting paid.
3. Tyson hates losing more than most players. Some Knicks guys appeared to really not give an F last year and I can imagine Tyson probably chewed some guys tails. Fans don't like the angry voice even if ultimately he is correct.
4. Tyson somehow got really bad at basketball for 3 years, but is good again?
Chuck Texas wrote:1. Tyson Chandler fancies himself a leader--especially on the defensive end. Dirk wasn't threatened by this because Dirk has always been more a lead by example guy than a vocal guy. So he was willing to let Chandler be big voice in the locker room. I wonder if that "big voice" didn't go over as well in a Melo-led locker room?
Bill Pidto wrote:Chuck Texas wrote:1. Tyson Chandler fancies himself a leader--especially on the defensive end. Dirk wasn't threatened by this because Dirk has always been more a lead by example guy than a vocal guy. So he was willing to let Chandler be big voice in the locker room. I wonder if that "big voice" didn't go over as well in a Melo-led locker room?
This is exactly what I think happened to the team and I'm disgusted with Melo for it. He isn't half the leader Tyson is.
Even tonight with him not playing, the ball was moving more and guys were giving maximum effort. Our point guards weren't marginalized and they were given chances to facilitate for everyone else. It's starting to seem like the Knicks have a lot more fun playing the game without Melo on the court. And who can blame them?
Melo is a ball-stopper and a me-first player. On top of that, he isn't vocal and he isn't a strong personality. Instead, he acts like a weezle. He'll get a coach fired or create a rift in the locker room before he'll own up to his own shortcomings and change his game for the betterment of the team.
This is what I notice and I'm not afraid to say it. Melo said he was "all in" this year and it doesn't look like it. The offense looks exactly how it looked last year with Melo on the floor and he seems perfectly fine with that, until the losses pile up and he's ready to point fingers again. As if his teammates are supposed to be %100 invested in something that doesn't benefit them or the team as a whole.
Maybe if Melo had been leading this team to more victories than losses, guys would be singing a different tune about playing his way..
Besart19 wrote:Bill Pidto wrote:Chuck Texas wrote:1. Tyson Chandler fancies himself a leader--especially on the defensive end. Dirk wasn't threatened by this because Dirk has always been more a lead by example guy than a vocal guy. So he was willing to let Chandler be big voice in the locker room. I wonder if that "big voice" didn't go over as well in a Melo-led locker room?
This is exactly what I think happened to the team and I'm disgusted with Melo for it. He isn't half the leader Tyson is.
Even tonight with him not playing, the ball was moving more and guys were giving maximum effort. Our point guards weren't marginalized and they were given chances to facilitate for everyone else. It's starting to seem like the Knicks have a lot more fun playing the game without Melo on the court. And who can blame them?
Melo is a ball-stopper and a me-first player. On top of that, he isn't vocal and he isn't a strong personality. Instead, he acts like a weezle. He'll get a coach fired or create a rift in the locker room before he'll own up to his own shortcomings and change his game for the betterment of the team.
This is what I notice and I'm not afraid to say it. Melo said he was "all in" this year and it doesn't look like it. The offense looks exactly how it looked last year with Melo on the floor and he seems perfectly fine with that, until the losses pile up and he's ready to point fingers again. As if his teammates are supposed to be %100 invested in something that doesn't benefit them or the team as a whole.
Maybe if Melo had been leading this team to more victories than losses, guys would be singing a different tune about playing his way..
Cry more
Bill Pidto wrote:Besart19 wrote:Bill Pidto wrote:
This is exactly what I think happened to the team and I'm disgusted with Melo for it. He isn't half the leader Tyson is.
Even tonight with him not playing, the ball was moving more and guys were giving maximum effort. Our point guards weren't marginalized and they were given chances to facilitate for everyone else. It's starting to seem like the Knicks have a lot more fun playing the game without Melo on the court. And who can blame them?
Melo is a ball-stopper and a me-first player. On top of that, he isn't vocal and he isn't a strong personality. Instead, he acts like a weezle. He'll get a coach fired or create a rift in the locker room before he'll own up to his own shortcomings and change his game for the betterment of the team.
This is what I notice and I'm not afraid to say it. Melo said he was "all in" this year and it doesn't look like it. The offense looks exactly how it looked last year with Melo on the floor and he seems perfectly fine with that, until the losses pile up and he's ready to point fingers again. As if his teammates are supposed to be %100 invested in something that doesn't benefit them or the team as a whole.
Maybe if Melo had been leading this team to more victories than losses, guys would be singing a different tune about playing his way..
Cry more
You Melo's boyfriend or somethin? Or is that just a fantasy of yours?
Oh yeah, Pablo can get one too.Knickstape1214 wrote:greenhughes wrote:ibraheim718 wrote:
I just don't understand why people expected Tyson to give 100% of what he does which is all the garbage work when no one was even giving 100% doing all the glamorous work i.e shooting.
I swear I saw him say "If ya'll don't give a fuq, I don't give a fuq either"
That team last year was the worst in terms of effort. The only dude that can have a pass from me over last year is Carmelo Anthony.
Pablo?
Bill Pidto wrote:Chuck Texas wrote:1. Tyson Chandler fancies himself a leader--especially on the defensive end. Dirk wasn't threatened by this because Dirk has always been more a lead by example guy than a vocal guy. So he was willing to let Chandler be big voice in the locker room. I wonder if that "big voice" didn't go over as well in a Melo-led locker room?
This is exactly what I think happened to the team and I'm disgusted with Melo for it. He isn't half the leader Tyson is.
Even tonight with him not playing, the ball was moving more and guys were giving maximum effort. Our point guards weren't marginalized and they were given chances to facilitate for everyone else. It's starting to seem like the Knicks have a lot more fun playing the game without Melo on the court. And who can blame them?
Melo is a ball-stopper and a me-first player. On top of that, he isn't vocal and he isn't a strong personality. Instead, he acts like a weezle. He'll get a coach fired or create a rift in the locker room before he'll own up to his own shortcomings and change his game for the betterment of the team.
This is what I notice and I'm not afraid to say it. Melo said he was "all in" this year and it doesn't look like it. The offense looks exactly how it looked last year with Melo on the floor and he seems perfectly fine with that, until the losses pile up and he's ready to point fingers again. As if his teammates are supposed to be %100 invested in something that doesn't benefit them or the team as a whole.
Maybe if Melo had been leading this team to more victories than losses, guys would be singing a different tune about playing his way..
greenhughes wrote:Bill Pidto wrote:Chuck Texas wrote:1. Tyson Chandler fancies himself a leader--especially on the defensive end. Dirk wasn't threatened by this because Dirk has always been more a lead by example guy than a vocal guy. So he was willing to let Chandler be big voice in the locker room. I wonder if that "big voice" didn't go over as well in a Melo-led locker room?
This is exactly what I think happened to the team and I'm disgusted with Melo for it. He isn't half the leader Tyson is.
Even tonight with him not playing, the ball was moving more and guys were giving maximum effort. Our point guards weren't marginalized and they were given chances to facilitate for everyone else. It's starting to seem like the Knicks have a lot more fun playing the game without Melo on the court. And who can blame them?
Melo is a ball-stopper and a me-first player. On top of that, he isn't vocal and he isn't a strong personality. Instead, he acts like a weezle. He'll get a coach fired or create a rift in the locker room before he'll own up to his own shortcomings and change his game for the betterment of the team.
This is what I notice and I'm not afraid to say it. Melo said he was "all in" this year and it doesn't look like it. The offense looks exactly how it looked last year with Melo on the floor and he seems perfectly fine with that, until the losses pile up and he's ready to point fingers again. As if his teammates are supposed to be %100 invested in something that doesn't benefit them or the team as a whole.
Maybe if Melo had been leading this team to more victories than losses, guys would be singing a different tune about playing his way..
This is funny as I see Melo buying in and playing within the system...
WOW
GONYK wrote:[
Melo had to be reminded by Phil that he's allowed to shoot 3's and post up. That's how hard he was buying in.
Every single player is committed to the system. They wouldn't be if Melo wasn't.
2010 wrote:Capn'O wrote:2010 wrote:
The Fish has these guys playing hard. Cal has them playing smarter. He can still get there. He's making some rook mistakes on the one hand and it took awhile to take to some of his methods on the other. This NBA coaching thing isn't as easy as it looks.
I can live with some rookie mistakes. But the stupid philosophy of refusing to emphasize guarding the 3 despite getting torched from the arc by every team (although that didn't hurt us tonight cuz they shot bricks). And the weird substitution patterns and lineups (although I'd like to see what he does when everyone is healthy).
Chuck Texas wrote:Reading this thread makes me realize something. Either NY or Dallas got Bizarro Tyson Chandler and the other city got the real guy.
All the things you guys are ripping the guy for not doing are exactly what he brought here the first go-around and has brought back again.
I have some theories:
1. Tyson Chandler fancies himself a leader--especially on the defensive end. Dirk wasn't threatened by this because Dirk has always been more a lead by example guy than a vocal guy. So he was willing to let Chandler be big voice in the locker room. I wonder if that "big voice" didn't go over as well in a Melo-led locker room?
2. You always have to look at the money and we've had him in contract years both times. Of course it doesn't explain him taking the Knicks defense from poor to really good and winning the DPOY immediately after getting paid.
3. Tyson hates losing more than most players. Some Knicks guys appeared to really not give an F last year and I can imagine Tyson probably chewed some guys tails. Fans don't like the angry voice even if ultimately he is correct.
4. Tyson somehow got really bad at basketball for 3 years, but is good again?
kingquan316 wrote:To me the Co-Tank MVP's of this game are JR Smith and Amare Stoudemire. Congrats to the them.
Besart19 wrote:Knickstape1214 wrote:I love Pablo, but I want to trade him. He deserves to be on a championship contending team if he wants to be on one. Ultimate professional, team player, and seems like a really nice guy.
Memphis, Chicago, Cleveland or Portland!! Though would've been great for him playin in SA
Capn'O wrote:kingquan316 wrote:To me the Co-Tank MVP's of this game are JR Smith and Amare Stoudemire. Congrats to the them.
Don't forget Jason. He **** sucks.
kingquan316 wrote:Capn'O wrote:kingquan316 wrote:To me the Co-Tank MVP's of this game are JR Smith and Amare Stoudemire. Congrats to the them.
Don't forget Jason. He **** sucks.
He was a close 3rd, but he only played 11 mins, so he didn't have enough time to contribute as much to the loss compared to JR and Stat. But hey there always the next game, if he gives Ibaka a career high, he will get it
