Knicks will go after players who fit triangle

[kNicksGmen]

who cares what rambis thinks

he's a damn interim coach. he shouldn't be here next year


edit: and to be fair about the Seraphin signing... there was no certainty KP would be getting big minutes and Lopez had a bit of injury history... so at that time a lot of people did think we needed another big.

[Nazrmohamed]

I'd rather just do Batum and start Grant. Delly and MCW are trash for the money

Delly brings the good defense and has ability from 3 on set up jumpers

That's not worth exponentially more than Galloway, nor is it really worth starting

I think Batum is a bad move. Gonna get paid like a superstar for a player who's a role player on Steroids. And no, he's not anything like Pippen. Even Pippen wouldn't really be enough. Let's not forget, this isn't prime Melo it's plateau Melo or possibly declining Melo. We need an alpha, and right about now you're correct in feeling that that's unrealistic. But if that's the case go after more young cheap players. A guy like Lance Stephenson would probably be just as impactful, maybe a little less but for alot lower of a price. Then you might be able to squeeze in a PG. You could probably add Clarkson and Stephenson for the same price as Batum and......say a Tony Douglas.

I'm kindov bummed about DWill. Hopefully we can still resign him to something reasonable.

[HarthorneWingo]

Delly brings the good defense and has ability from 3 on set up jumpers

That's not worth exponentially more than Galloway, nor is it really worth starting

I think Batum is a bad move. Gonna get paid like a superstar for a player who's a role player on Steroids. And no, he's not anything like Pippen. Even Pippen wouldn't really be enough. Let's not forget, this isn't prime Melo it's plateau Melo or possibly declining Melo. We need an alpha, and right about now you're correct in feeling that that's unrealistic. But if that's the case go after more young cheap players. A guy like Lance Stephenson would probably be just as impactful, maybe a little less but for alot lower of a price. Then you might be able to squeeze in a PG. You could probably add Clarkson and Stephenson for the same price as Batum and......say a Tony Douglas.

I'm kindov bummed about DWill. Hopefully we can still resign him to something reasonable.

I'm not letting Lance Stephenson anywhere near KP. We're done building around Melo. We're building around KP now.

[aq_ua]

I have a player option and I like triangles...

[GONYK]

I have a player option and I like triangles...

I also hate NY

[aq_ua]

I have a player option and I like triangles...

I also hate NY

For the right price, I love NY.

[GONYK]

I have a player option and I like triangles...

I also hate NY

For the right price, I love NY.

He hated it with a MAX contract

[aq_ua]

I also hate NY

For the right price, I love NY.

He hated it with a MAX contract

No no, I hated Brooklyn. I still own a $33.5mm penthouse in Tribeca, yours for $31mm if you act now.

[AndriPerdhian93]

more sasha then

[Buttah304]

I'm completely on board going after a guy with legitimate playmaking ability and defense and that's Batum. I know we need a true PG more then anything, but we're looking at the likes of Conley at 20+ Per Year (VOMIT) or an older Rondo who just so happened to have a great statistical year when he's due a contract (DO NOT TRUST).

Point is we have a guy in Melo who just had the best passing year of his career and lead our team with 4.2 APG (I think he even had 30 games with 5 or more assists). If you add a guy like Batum who just averaged 5.8 APG, you cannot deny that it would add a certain dynamic to the team. If you have Grant work like an animal over the summer and comes back with a better 3 point shot, improved floater, and a respectible step back J, he could be a bargain for what he's costing. I just want to keep as much money open for 2017 as possible when the PG List for FA is as talented as it gets.

Grant
Batum
Melo
KP
ROLO

*My only concern is can Batum play the 2 Spot - I truly have not seen him enough to know if he's capable.

[Nazrmohamed]

That's not worth exponentially more than Galloway, nor is it really worth starting

I think Batum is a bad move. Gonna get paid like a superstar for a player who's a role player on Steroids. And no, he's not anything like Pippen. Even Pippen wouldn't really be enough. Let's not forget, this isn't prime Melo it's plateau Melo or possibly declining Melo. We need an alpha, and right about now you're correct in feeling that that's unrealistic. But if that's the case go after more young cheap players. A guy like Lance Stephenson would probably be just as impactful, maybe a little less but for alot lower of a price. Then you might be able to squeeze in a PG. You could probably add Clarkson and Stephenson for the same price as Batum and......say a Tony Douglas.

I'm kindov bummed about DWill. Hopefully we can still resign him to something reasonable.

I'm not letting Lance Stephenson anywhere near KP. We're done building around Melo. We're building around KP now.

What from my argument would lead you to believe I am building around Melo and why would you consider Stephenson a Melocentric move while Batum is a Zinger-centric move?

Point is, the act of looking for free agents at all is a Melocentric move. A Porzingis-centric move would be to sell off cap space for additional space and trade Melo for youth and a pick or so. But we can cross that path when Melo waives the clause. Until then I don't wanna sign any max players unless those players can instantly become the face of the franchise. Again, that might be unrealistic so the alternative is to continue the model we had with DWill. Young cheap players with something to prove.

Also, what's not to like with Stephensen? He plays hard, shows fire and will be cheap. Hasn't gotten into any real trouble and he fits the triangle as a playmaking 2

[CJackson]

Phil needs to be shown the door

Go almost a full season with Grant being dogged by coaches and now he gets time because vets want to rest dem fannies. total bs

the way grant was handled this year is why i cannot stand jackson in a nutshell

Grant is a natural pick and roll guard. everyone and their mama can see that. a quality pick and roll guard in the nba can be like gold if you use them right. but these a-holes were benching this kid all season long for freelancing and not being a triangle drone. seriously fuq them. fuq phil and his loyal triangle slaves and the horses they rode in on

well damn

damn right

[rygar]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2632892-lamar-odom-comments-on-desire-to-return-to-nba

Lamar Odom would be a nice addition to our squad if he can get himself back to NBA shape. He'd fit perfectly in triangle as he has played years in the Phil's Lakers and I'm sure he'd love living in Big Apple.

Lets sign him on 1 year veteran min, low risk-high reward.

[Mr_Perfect]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2632892-lamar-odom-comments-on-desire-to-return-to-nba

Lamar Odom would be a nice addition to our squad if he can get himself back to NBA shape. He'd fit perfectly in triangle as he has played years in the Phil's Lakers and I'm sure he'd love living in Big Apple.

Lets sign him on 1 year veteran min, low risk-high reward.

No.

[vincccent]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2632892-lamar-odom-comments-on-desire-to-return-to-nba

Lamar Odom would be a nice addition to our squad if he can get himself back to NBA shape. He'd fit perfectly in triangle as he has played years in the Phil's Lakers and I'm sure he'd love living in Big Apple.

Lets sign him on 1 year veteran min, low risk-high reward.

Actually, there is no reward left.

[HarthorneWingo]

I think Batum is a bad move. Gonna get paid like a superstar for a player who's a role player on Steroids. And no, he's not anything like Pippen. Even Pippen wouldn't really be enough. Let's not forget, this isn't prime Melo it's plateau Melo or possibly declining Melo. We need an alpha, and right about now you're correct in feeling that that's unrealistic. But if that's the case go after more young cheap players. A guy like Lance Stephenson would probably be just as impactful, maybe a little less but for alot lower of a price. Then you might be able to squeeze in a PG. You could probably add Clarkson and Stephenson for the same price as Batum and......say a Tony Douglas.

I'm kindov bummed about DWill. Hopefully we can still resign him to something reasonable.

I'm not letting Lance Stephenson anywhere near KP. We're done building around Melo. We're building around KP now.

What from my argument would lead you to believe I am building around Melo and why would you consider Stephenson a Melocentric move while Batum is a Zinger-centric move?

Point is, the act of looking for free agents at all is a Melocentric move. A Porzingis-centric move would be to sell off cap space for additional space and trade Melo for youth and a pick or so. But we can cross that path when Melo waives the clause. Until then I don't wanna sign any max players unless those players can instantly become the face of the franchise. Again, that might be unrealistic so the alternative is to continue the model we had with DWill. Young cheap players with something to prove.

Also, what's not to like with Stephensen? He plays hard, shows fire and will be cheap. Hasn't gotten into any real trouble and he fits the triangle as a playmaking 2

Hey. I assumed you were building around because you want to take a chance on an established NBA talent who has some mental health issues. As you state "the act of looking for free agents at all is a Melocentric move." Add the that we're taking a chance on someone who has displayed degrees of knuckleheadedness over his career and was even a question mark coming into the draft because of that. I put Lance in the category of JR Smith, World Peace and players like them. Very talented, but the switch can be turned on at the drop of a hat. I don't want that kind of player around KP.

[Nazrmohamed]

I'm not letting Lance Stephenson anywhere near KP. We're done building around Melo. We're building around KP now.

What from my argument would lead you to believe I am building around Melo and why would you consider Stephenson a Melocentric move while Batum is a Zinger-centric move?

Point is, the act of looking for free agents at all is a Melocentric move. A Porzingis-centric move would be to sell off cap space for additional space and trade Melo for youth and a pick or so. But we can cross that path when Melo waives the clause. Until then I don't wanna sign any max players unless those players can instantly become the face of the franchise. Again, that might be unrealistic so the alternative is to continue the model we had with DWill. Young cheap players with something to prove.

Also, what's not to like with Stephensen? He plays hard, shows fire and will be cheap. Hasn't gotten into any real trouble and he fits the triangle as a playmaking 2

Hey. I assumed you were building around because you want to take a chance on an established NBA talent who has some mental health issues. As you state "the act of looking for free agents at all is a Melocentric move." Add the that we're taking a chance on someone who has displayed degrees of knuckleheadedness over his career and was even a question mark coming into the draft because of that. I put Lance in the category of JR Smith, World Peace and players like them. Very talented, but the switch can be turned on at the drop of a hat. I don't want that kind of player around KP.

Hes established but how old, 25? Think about it this way, our rookie this year was 23 and we're praying for development so Lance is still young. Most of the reputation you assume hes earned was from the age of 22-24?
Point is he has a skilllset that isn't just talented, its talented in a lot of ways we like. He can play up to three positions effectively, he fights hard and has a fiery competitiveness and doesn't back down from anybody. It fit on Indiana but you're right, he was immature at the time. When he got to Charlotte he just didn't fit with Kemba. No villains, just didn't fit with his ball dominant style. If lance were more of a shooter than a playmaker himself it might've fit. Our PGs aren't really the drive and kick type and we don't run pick and roll so we'll need 2/3's that can create. On Memphis he's been a class act.

Theres nothing wrong with Lance. He's not JR, he's the type to make JR lose his cool and play stupid. Can he get outta control? A bit but you talk about KP learning bad habits, what about competitiveness. We lack fire. We actually got skill. Lopez is skilled, Melo is skilled( if hes staying), KP is skilled. I think fans try so hard not to repeat mistakes of the past, the real mistake is trying to hard. Avoiding the type of players you described for boring players with no chance of any proliferation. JR was JR but 3 out of 4 nights the dude was a borderline allstar and the forth he imploded. People remember the 4rth night. We were in the playoffs with JR. The low maintainence/low prolific players we rather have got us nowhere. And listen, Im not talking just about Lance here. It could be anybody. Im not saying to litter your team with Lance type players, Im asking for one. Especially if dudes wanna sneak a PG in there somewhere, remember that. We need an entirely new backcourt and I just don't think the upper tier is gonna pick us. Melo or not I don't think its abad idea to gamble on a 25 yr old, who'll not break the bank.

[Mr_Perfect]

What from my argument would lead you to believe I am building around Melo and why would you consider Stephenson a Melocentric move while Batum is a Zinger-centric move?

Point is, the act of looking for free agents at all is a Melocentric move. A Porzingis-centric move would be to sell off cap space for additional space and trade Melo for youth and a pick or so. But we can cross that path when Melo waives the clause. Until then I don't wanna sign any max players unless those players can instantly become the face of the franchise. Again, that might be unrealistic so the alternative is to continue the model we had with DWill. Young cheap players with something to prove.

Also, what's not to like with Stephensen? He plays hard, shows fire and will be cheap. Hasn't gotten into any real trouble and he fits the triangle as a playmaking 2

Hey. I assumed you were building around because you want to take a chance on an established NBA talent who has some mental health issues. As you state "the act of looking for free agents at all is a Melocentric move." Add the that we're taking a chance on someone who has displayed degrees of knuckleheadedness over his career and was even a question mark coming into the draft because of that. I put Lance in the category of JR Smith, World Peace and players like them. Very talented, but the switch can be turned on at the drop of a hat. I don't want that kind of player around KP.

Hes established but how old, 25? Think about it this way, our rookie this year was 23 and we're praying for development so Lance is still young. Most of the reputation you assume hes earned was from the age of 22-24?
Point is he has a skilllset that isn't just talented, its talented in a lot of ways we like. He can play up to three positions effectively, he fights hard and has a fiery competitiveness and doesn't back down from anybody. It fit on Indiana but you're right, he was immature at the time. When he got to Charlotte he just didn't fit with Kemba. No villains, just didn't fit with his ball dominant style. If lance were more of a shooter than a playmaker himself it might've fit. Our PGs aren't really the drive and kick type and we don't run pick and roll so we'll need 2/3's that can create. On Memphis he's been a class act.

Theres nothing wrong with Lance. He's not JR, he's the type to make JR lose his cool and play stupid. Can he get outta control? A bit but you talk about KP learning bad habits, what about competitiveness. We lack fire. We actually got skill. Lopez is skilled, Melo is skilled( if hes staying), KP is skilled. I think fans try so hard not to repeat mistakes of the past, the real mistake is trying to hard. Avoiding the type of players you described for boring players with no chance of any proliferation. JR was JR but 3 out of 4 nights the dude was a borderline allstar and the forth he imploded. People remember the 4rth night. We were in the playoffs with JR. The low maintainence/low prolific players we rather have got us nowhere. And listen, Im not talking just about Lance here. It could be anybody. Im not saying to litter your team with Lance type players, Im asking for one. Especially if dudes wanna sneak a PG in there somewhere, remember that. We need an entirely new backcourt and I just don't think the upper tier is gonna pick us. Melo or not I don't think its abad idea to gamble on a 25 yr old, who'll not break the bank.

There was never at any point in reality on this planet that JR Smith was a 'borderline all star' for 3 nights out of a week. 3 nights out of every month, possibly. Although I would say even that is stretching it. More likely 3 nights out of every 3 months.

[Floozenheimen]

I'm completely on board going after a guy with legitimate playmaking ability and defense and that's Batum. I know we need a true PG more then anything, but we're looking at the likes of Conley at 20+ Per Year (VOMIT) or an older Rondo who just so happened to have a great statistical year when he's due a contract (DO NOT TRUST).

Point is we have a guy in Melo who just had the best passing year of his career and lead our team with 4.2 APG (I think he even had 30 games with 5 or more assists). If you add a guy like Batum who just averaged 5.8 APG, you cannot deny that it would add a certain dynamic to the team. If you have Grant work like an animal over the summer and comes back with a better 3 point shot, improved floater, and a respectible step back J, he could be a bargain for what he's costing. I just want to keep as much money open for 2017 as possible when the PG List for FA is as talented as it gets.

Grant
Batum
Melo
KP
ROLO

*My only concern is can Batum play the 2 Spot - I truly have not seen him enough to know if he's capable.

I'm not sure if you are aware, but the Max contract available for Batum will be 27+ million dollars per year, which he might be offered. Even if Dwill and AA opt out, we would have to stretch Jose to have to money to pay him. Leaving us with no bench and no money remaining for a bench. If this were Durant, I do that, but this is Niclas Batum...

Even if we had the money to spend with enough left over to keep Dwill, Lance Thomas and sign another solid bench guy, I don't believe that Batum is worth 27 million dollars per year. I'd have a hard time offering him 20million per year to be honest. Max contracts, in my opinion, should be given to a select few players, who are the absolute best in the game, like Westbrook, Curry, LeBron, Kawai, etc. Batum is a solid 3rd option and maybe a 2nd, but not the lead on a contender . He's the #2 on the hornets right now, and they are a nice team, but not a contender.

Easy pass for me considering our financial situation and the money he'll be demanding.

[Nazrmohamed]

Hey. I assumed you were building around because you want to take a chance on an established NBA talent who has some mental health issues. As you state "the act of looking for free agents at all is a Melocentric move." Add the that we're taking a chance on someone who has displayed degrees of knuckleheadedness over his career and was even a question mark coming into the draft because of that. I put Lance in the category of JR Smith, World Peace and players like them. Very talented, but the switch can be turned on at the drop of a hat. I don't want that kind of player around KP.

Hes established but how old, 25? Think about it this way, our rookie this year was 23 and we're praying for development so Lance is still young. Most of the reputation you assume hes earned was from the age of 22-24?
Point is he has a skilllset that isn't just talented, its talented in a lot of ways we like. He can play up to three positions effectively, he fights hard and has a fiery competitiveness and doesn't back down from anybody. It fit on Indiana but you're right, he was immature at the time. When he got to Charlotte he just didn't fit with Kemba. No villains, just didn't fit with his ball dominant style. If lance were more of a shooter than a playmaker himself it might've fit. Our PGs aren't really the drive and kick type and we don't run pick and roll so we'll need 2/3's that can create. On Memphis he's been a class act.

Theres nothing wrong with Lance. He's not JR, he's the type to make JR lose his cool and play stupid. Can he get outta control? A bit but you talk about KP learning bad habits, what about competitiveness. We lack fire. We actually got skill. Lopez is skilled, Melo is skilled( if hes staying), KP is skilled. I think fans try so hard not to repeat mistakes of the past, the real mistake is trying to hard. Avoiding the type of players you described for boring players with no chance of any proliferation. JR was JR but 3 out of 4 nights the dude was a borderline allstar and the forth he imploded. People remember the 4rth night. We were in the playoffs with JR. The low maintainence/low prolific players we rather have got us nowhere. And listen, Im not talking just about Lance here. It could be anybody. Im not saying to litter your team with Lance type players, Im asking for one. Especially if dudes wanna sneak a PG in there somewhere, remember that. We need an entirely new backcourt and I just don't think the upper tier is gonna pick us. Melo or not I don't think its abad idea to gamble on a 25 yr old, who'll not break the bank.

There was never at any point in reality on this planet that JR Smith was a 'borderline all star' for 3 nights out of a week. 3 nights out of every month, possibly. Although I would say even that is stretching it. More likely 3 nights out of every 3 months.

I got caught up in the moment. He was the sixth man of the year though for us, which means he had more good nights than bad nights. But point is there isn't anybody on this team who can proliferate other than Melo and the more Melo does it the more we hate him for doing it. We need a kick, a nitrous boost, somebody who can get hot. And we worry so much about avoiding problem players that we settle for choir boys who are mediocre or below. Lance isn't a bad player, he isn't a knucklehead. He's passionate, he was once immature but as the guy said. He's established now. I wouldn't consider him a bad influence on anybody, nor would I have considered Artest.

I think people worry too much about passion and a little abrasiveness. Mad max types, Artest types, lance types. Funny thing is these guys are the types of " bad boys" you want. The types of guys that bad teams like us always wanna avoid because we mistake our problems as being behavioral when really its talent, we aint got enough. Then you'll see these guys always around winning teams. So far Lance was on a contending Pacers team, a contending Clippers team and now a treadmill but still playoff Grizzlies team. Artest had success too. But Knicks fans always feel proud of themselves because they were smart enough to avoid those types.

Those types win games. They care, most despite a couple of technicals actually have a good basketball IQ. Its the Nick Young's you gotta watch out for, the guys who think its all a big joke, don't have any fire.