Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis

[F N 11]

Why would Boston who is doing well, give up a bunch of picks to get a washed up 32 year old in Melo?

That is the point..they would not.
Would you take Brown, Johnson, Crowder and Bos pick next year?
Not the Nets pick.
Bostons.
They are basically trading Melo to Crowder. Would you do that?

Next year Amir comes off and we have Brown and Crowder as pieces.
It is a decent move for both sides.

Crowder is better than Melo to me right now in terms of being a winning player. Plays D, brings toughness, and moves the ball.

[Mecca]

Much easier to find a scapegoat instead of addressing the real issues with this roster

It has nothing to do with a scapegoat and everything to do with addressing a full on rebuild.

Yeah I don't buy that. Moving Melo allows you to do the rebuild, true. But the rebuild will make the terrible decisions this franchise made this summer more palatable. We see it in this thread already regarding the Noah contract.

Noah is/always was a bad contract. If we win 50 games this year, Noah's contract is still bad because he's the 3rd best center on the team.

[nytonm]

you coulda started that process this past summer, you **** morons. now you're stuck with joakim **** noah.

If we're rebuilding Noah's contract doesn't matter. You have to pay somebody, and Noah is a good vet to teach our young guys. Plus his contract ends right when we'd have to pay KP.

The last part of the last sentence is why it's an issue. Instead of being able to sign guys while he has this low cap hold, we'll be paying Noah instead.

The new CBA also increased the cap holds on RFAs I believe so fewer teams will be able to do what SAS did to get LMA.

There's no excusing the Noah deal. It's been bad from day one

But we'd be paying Noah what like less than 1/6th of the cap at that point? Noah was a horrible signing but we don't need to rush and move him, it's not that big of a deal now.

[dakomish23]

Why would they give up Brown or Crowder? Play hard ball, Danny. You'll get him for nothing.

[Gant]

Gordy ain't leaving Utah for Boston...













Enough already. Celtics ain't getting Blake either.

If option 1 doesn't apply or he doesn't want to wait, and it's between options 2 and 3, the money difference might actually not be much. Hayward would only be giving up around 6 million in the first four years.

The fifth year he'd lose out on only if he got severely injured, as he'd be signing a different contract for big money anyway.

(Or did I misunderstand some detail of the new designated veteran player exception?)

The clause that counts here is the designated veteran player exception, which gives teams a better ability to retain their star players in deals worth tens of millions more than they could get on the open market. However, there are a few caveats blocking the way for the Jazz to use that DPE this offseason.

ESPN’s Brian Windhorst breaks it down in his recent FAQ on reported provisions of the new CBA (because, again, the final agreement is being drafted) —

“To get this type of premium deal you have to have played eight or nine years in the league and been on the All-NBA team this year or in two of the past three years, win the Defensive Player of the Year or have won the MVP in one of the past three years. You also have to re-sign with the team you played for since your rookie contract, although players traded during their rookie contracts still qualify. That’s not a lot of players.”

The key language here is the “eight or nine years.” While Hayward could be on his way to All-NBA accolades, which is one of the prerequisites, he will have only completed seven years of service in the league after the 2016-17 season.

That said, if Hayward agrees to a one-plus-one deal this summer (think LeBron James’ deal when he returned to Cleveland), he could get one of these “super max” deals after opting out following next season.

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/12/25/new-cba-help-utah-jazz-retain-gordon-hayward/

[F N 11]

Why would they give up Brown or Crowder? Play hard ball, Danny. You'll get him for nothing.

Chillllll if we get no pick but get Brown its still a W.

[HEZI]

He will commit to them of course, you cant extend guys anymore?

I doubt he's interested in an extension. He will probably be looking to get a salary increase like everybody else.

You are a smart guy, if we deem what media says is true Melo told he will only go to Clips Cavs no? Then whats the point of reaching out to Boston? If its not for Love or Blake

The Cavs turned us down on our offer of Melo for Love. They aren't interested. We are now looking at other avenues. Boston has been trying to get Melo since last year, Phil wasn't interested in their offer at the time because he wasn't interested in trading Carmelo. Now he's ready to deal so he's exploring all options. Not sure why the Cavs keep getting thrown into the mix, they already made it well known that they are not interested in trading Kevin Love.

[Knicks Byke]

IF Boston is interested, and IF they're not willing to pay, it's a VERY GOOD gamble for them to take. Maybe Melo opts out after next year, which he almost 100% will?

doubt boston will give the nets pick for that gamble or even their own pick.

[Red Vines]

Think Phil will take a little less to get it done quicker, like Shump and JR style but more coming back obviously. This can't hang over team for long, will be a media circus and huge distraction.

what will happen.....it might kill our competitive spirit ?

It will get ugly, fans are picking sides, media is picking sides, players will pick sides, there will be inappropriate language during games...

[ChaosHamster]

ehh, Brown looks terrible..

[dakomish23]

It has nothing to do with a scapegoat and everything to do with addressing a full on rebuild.

Yeah I don't buy that. Moving Melo allows you to do the rebuild, true. But the rebuild will make the terrible decisions this franchise made this summer more palatable. We see it in this thread already regarding the Noah contract.

Noah is/always was a bad contract. If we win 50 games this year, Noah's contract is still bad because he's the 3rd best center on the team.

Two things let GMs keep their jobs with no pressure from media and the fan base

Winning games
Saying you're doing a rebuild

Seeing what I've seen so far from PJax, I have no faith he can get the job done well, no matter the direction.

[mpharris36]

so you know what's likely to happen then

They've engaged Boston for a reason. They're looking for a 3 team deal.

so we're getting the nets pick ?

nothing would make me happier. And to top it off to go on the trade board and go tell that mod to shove it that thinks we will get nothing for Melo.

[F N 11]

Jaylen brown replaced Smart in the lineup

[dakomish23]

Why would they give up Brown or Crowder? Play hard ball, Danny. You'll get him for nothing.

Chillllll if we get no pick but get Brown its still a W.

I agree. I'm just not confident this FO will do a good job

[Capn'O]

so we're getting the nets pick ?

Lol. No. Maybe a Boston pick and one of the picks they've snaggled away.

at least you're reasonable. i think he'd rather keep love.

I don't. We have no use for him. He's not really on our timeline and the guys we do have are better defenders.

Well, ok. Maybe we would but I don't think we're getting him as Cle wants more players back.

[Rotten Apple]

Why would Boston who is doing well, give up a bunch of picks to get a washed up 32 year old in Melo?

That is the point..they would not.
Would you take Brown, Johnson, Crowder and Bos pick next year?
Not the Nets pick.
Bostons.
They are basically trading Melo to Crowder. Would you do that?

Next year Amir comes off and we have Brown and Crowder as pieces.
It is a decent move for both sides.

Crowder is better than Melo to me right now in terms of being a winning player. Plays D, brings toughness, and moves the ball.

Spoiler:

[NYKAL]

We better not lose him. Kristaps doesn't have the fire or assertiveness to be the number one option.

Who cares? Whats the rush? We have plenty of time for KP to turn into that number one option.

WE care otherwise we wouldn't be here. KP doesn't look like he wants to be a number one option. Maybe he's not suited to be the number one option. You can't force players to fit your desired criteria. KP has yet to show he can carry us in a single game much less the entire franchise. Until he does, he's just a younging full of potential who we will overrated just like every other rook. That is until we turn on him

[Mecca]

Jaylen brown replaced Smart in the lineup

I'd love Smart in Blue and Orange. A gritty, young, angry, motherf*cker.

Smart, Rozier, and the 2 2018 picks for Melo is a deal.

[NYKAL]

Jesus Christ with the threads

I expect this one to be locked (just an opinion...not back seat modding)

[DOT]

Gordy ain't leaving Utah for Boston...













Enough already. Celtics ain't getting Blake either.

Well sweet Mother Theresa on the hood of a Mercedes Benz
That is a **** load of money he loses leaving Utah