Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[GONYK]

We wont know who will be coming in free agency, so just draft who you think the BPA is regardless of potential free agents

It's probably not true though.

The Knicks probably know who is coming.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Sorry guys, but I want to be able to cut and paste the info on salaries etc - don't want it locked in a closed thread!

Spoiler:

KD+KI (and don't trade-down the pick) scenarios

So Durant+Irving+Frank+DSJ+Knox+Mitch+pick_3+Dot+Jenkins+Henry or Durant+Irving+Frank+DSJ+Knox+Mitch+pick_3+Trier seem achievable starting points (without any trades) - if KD+KI

1) If KD rules everything around him and insists on Trier+Knox on the squad: that is possible without trading players under contract.

KI, Trier, KD, Knox, Mitch, pick_3, Frank, DSJ

In this scenario the Knicks probably trade DSJ, Frank and(?) the pick_3.

1.75 * Frank's salary = $8,497,650m .. not sure who is out there at just under $8.5m next year .. I'll take a look in a minute.
1.75 * Dennis's salary = $7,811,370
pick_3 salary * 1.25 = $9,787,350 .. not sure who is out there at just under $10m next year .. I'll take a look in a minute.

2) If you don't have to worry about KD wanting to play with Kevin and Zo, you could immediately mix and match pairwise Frank, Dennis and Kevin with Dot, Henry and John (not Frank with John) and in all cases get salary * 1.75 between $10.5m and $11.37m.

So the team could be: KD + KI + Mitch + 4 vets on contracts between $9.75m and $11.37m + a room exception ($4.75m) vet + a mix of vet mins and rookie mins.

(My personal view is Frank+Dot is > anything you can buy for $11.33m *for a KD+KI playoff team* ... but that may be very wrong ... eg RoCo could be much better (even maybe Jerami if you could deal for him..), but I'm putting that thought in brackets for the moment. E.g., - but you can make your own variants, KD + KI + Mitch + Frank + Dotson + 3 vets on contracts between $9.75m and $11.29m + a room exception ($4.75m) vet + a mix of vet mins and rookie mins.)

4) The way the lottery played out makes me think a deal for AD is unlikely. The Lakers's offer became considerably stronger, the Pels may have considerably less desire to trade and the Knicks stood pat at best.

However, on the money side of a putative deal for AD (which as I say, I don't think is a strong likelihood now):

a) an immediate deal must include the #3 pick. (I posted earlier about delayed deals.)

b) You can do DSJ+Knox+pick_3+Dot+Jenkins+Henry (which is plenty enough to match 80% of AD salary-wise) (plus some picks), which would leave: KI, Frank, KD, AD, Mitch

c) or, e.g., Frank+DSJ+Mitch+pick_3+Dot/Jenkins+Henry (plus picks) .. which might be more like what NOP would want?, which would leave: KI, Dot, KD, Knox, AD

Salary combos

1.75 * (Frank + Ellenson) = $11,377,024
1.75 * (Dennis + Jenkins) = $11,290,578
1.75 * (Kevin + Dotson) = $10,507,280
1.24 * pick_3 = $9,787,350

Another possibility is try to make trades these values and then near the trade deadline (e.g.) put two together (or with the Room exception = $4,760,000) and trade for a $27m+ star.

'mid-level' 2019-2020 salaries (warning some of these might be player options/cap holds of FAs etc - I didn't find a clean table at first glance - #s from sportrac)

96 Robert Covington Small Forward $11,301,219
97 Meyers Leonard Center $11,286,517
98 Maurice Harkless Small Forward $11,011,236
99 T.J. Warren Small Forward $10,810,000
100 Andre Roberson Shooting Guard $10,740,740
101 Spencer Dinwiddie Point Guard $10,605,084
102 John Henson Power Forward $10,482,396
103 Dwight Powell Power Forward $10,259,375
104 Norman Powell Shooting Guard $10,116,576
105 Josh RichardsonSmall Forward $10,116,576
106 Markelle Fultz Point Guard $9,745,200
107 Matthew Dellavedova Point Guard $9,607,500
108 Dante Exum Point Guard $9,600,000
109 Deandre Ayton Center $9,562,920
110 Jon Leuer Power Forward $9,508,043
111 Fred VanVleet Point Guard $9,456,163
112 Jerami Grant Small Forward $9,346,153
113 Kyle Anderson Small Forward $9,073,050
114 Julius Randle Power Forward $9,073,050
115 C.J. Miles Small Forward $8,730,159
116 Lonzo Ball Point Guard $8,719,320
117 E'Twaun Moore Shooting Guard $8,664,928
118 Marvin Bagley III Power Forward $8,556,120
119 Bogdan Bogdanovic Shooting Guard $8,529,386
120 P.J. Tucker Small Forward $8,349,039
121 Cristiano Felicio Power Forward $8,156,500
122 Ben Simmons Point Guard $8,113,930
123 Louis Williams Shooting Guard $8,000,000
124 Jayson Tatum Small Forward $7,830,000
125 Jae Crowder Small Forward $7,815,533
126 Shaun Livingston Point Guard $7,692,308
127 Luka Doncic Point Guard $7,683,360
128 Joe Harris Shooting Guard $7,666,667
129 Lance Thomas Small Forward $7,583,975
130 Kyle Korver Shooting Guard $7,500,000
131 Langston Galloway Shooting Guard $7,333,333
132 Doug McDermott Small Forward $7,333,333
133 Brandon Ingram Small Forward $7,265,485
134 D.J. Augustin Point Guard $7,250,000
135 Josh Jackson Small Forward $7,059,480
136 Davis BertansSmall Forward $7,000,000
137 Ersan Ilyasova Power Forward $7,000,000
138 Jaren Jackson Jr. Power Forward $6,927,480
139 Nemanja Bjelica Power Forward $6,825,000

[NotMyKawhi]

i would just hope the Grizzlies don't take RJ


They have two PGs and lots of bigs, they need wings

Memphis would likely deal Conley.

Could we actually package trade like Knox + Frank + DSJr in separate deals to create room. Something like Knox + Frank + 2020 Protected First for Conley. And still be able to sign two max?

Mike Conley
RJ Barrett — Allonzo Trier
Kevin Durant — Damyean Dotson
Tobias Harris
Mitchell Robinson

Conley is good but he makes lots of money and there just isn't need for PGs on the trade market. you got guys like Drose playing backup. lots of top PGs on the free agent market.

Dwright averaged a triple double down the stretch for them. I think they are solid at PG and Bigs...they need a wing. That's why i think they take RJ

[Juco24]

I'm not the biggest RJ fan but I also think he's Derozan like. People for whatever reason seem to discount how good RJ and Knox can be. Plus money Mitch. Here I am giddy... Knox/DSJ/#3/Cap room/Mitch/future picks and people are mad upset??? I don't get it

[NotMyKawhi]

Morant isn't a lock for #2 imo I actually think RJ is going #2

If RJ was in his 2nd year at Murry state? He'd be averaging 40, 10 and 7

[Cookies4Life]

i would just hope the Grizzlies don't take RJ


They have two PGs and lots of bigs, they need wings

Memphis would likely deal Conley.

Could we actually package trade like Knox + Frank + DSJr in separate deals to create room. Something like Knox + Frank + 2020 Protected First for Conley. And still be able to sign two max?

Mike Conley
RJ Barrett — Allonzo Trier
Kevin Durant — Damyean Dotson
Tobias Harris
Mitchell Robinson

Conley will be 32 at the start of next season and will make 32 million next year followed by 34 the following year. I wouldn't pick him up for scraps at this point let alone for our back to back lottery selections and a future first rounder.

[F N 11]

Morant isn't a lock for #2 imo I actually think RJ is going #2

If RJ was in his 2nd year at Murry state? He'd be averaging 40, 10 and 7

Then we will hear how much knicks suck and we missed out on RJ.

[Grinditout]

We wont know who will be coming in free agency, so just draft who you think the BPA is regardless of potential free agents

It's probably not true though.

The Knicks probably know who is coming.

There's always that slight risk though. Lakers thought Paul George would've been on their squad right now. Crazy **** happens

[NotMyKawhi]

guys that came out of small schools like Dame, CJ, Curry were all great shooters.


Morant doesn't shoot great. Everyone is a good athlete in the NBA.

[stuporman]

Why you jacking my shtick? Haha

[NoLayupRule]

I would strongly consider trading #3 + Lance Thomas to ATL for #8 + #10 + lottery protected future first

Cap isn’t affected that much.

Then trade Dotson, DSJ to Pistons for #14

8 - Reddish
10 - White
14 - Bol Bol

Then tank some more so we can watch lots of College games, evaluate prospects, shout at the TV when teams leapfrog us in this new draft system, trade down for middling drafts prospects...SECOND VERSE - SAME AS THE FIRST!!

exactly

[NoLayupRule]

Morant isn't a lock for #2 imo I actually think RJ is going #2

If RJ was in his 2nd year at Murry state? He'd be averaging 40, 10 and 7

Ja is not a lock at all but he fits the Memphis situation better probably

[Fat]

Morant isn't a lock for #2 imo I actually think RJ is going #2

If RJ was in his 2nd year at Murry state? He'd be averaging 40, 10 and 7

take morant, trade ntilkina/Dennis it really makes no sense having either guy playing next to Morant.. Dennis wants to be a lead point, frank doesnt want to shoot the ball.

Morant
Knox
Mitch

build around that as an alternative

[Rock Bottom]

Hell yeah lets talk craaayyzxyyy

[NotMyKawhi]

Morant isn't a lock for #2 imo I actually think RJ is going #2

If RJ was in his 2nd year at Murry state? He'd be averaging 40, 10 and 7

Ja is not a lock at all but he fits the Memphis situation better probably

idk abt that. Conley makes over 30 million and is 32...They won't get much back for him but bad contracts.

Probably better drafting a wing and keeping Conley considering they don't have their pick next year.

Conley
Bradley
RJ
JJ
JV

That's how I'd do it for the Grizz

[KnicksGadfly]

If RJ can't develop defense/jumper, he's not gonna do much if KD is really coming here. He's gonna feel like Terry Rozier on a team with Kyrie Irving.

They play different positions....

Let me flesh this out. Rozier and Kyrie play PG, but that doesn't mean they don't share the floor. They have. But in recent interviews, Rozier acknowledged that even that arrangement was unideal...playing with Kyrie on the floor still meant he had to adjust his game.

If RJ and KD play together, RJ is not getting the damn ball. And if KD and Kyrie both come, RJ better learn to play defense and shoot cause he's not gonna be getting the ball over those two. Same with Ja.

[Clyde_Style]

I notice lots of anti-Morant sentiments.

Just a thought, but Fox is turning out to be quite the player for SAC.

Whatever flaws Ja may have, isn't he at least as good or better than Fox was when he was drafted?

Just saying because I wanted Fox in that draft and would still love to have him, so if Morant is close in talent and ability then I'd be very pleased with finally having a PG of that caliber.

[Tron Carter]

I notice lots of anti-Morant sentiments.

Just a thought, but Fox is turning out to be quite the player for SAC.

Whatever flaws Ja may have, isn't he at least as good or better than Fox was when he was drafted?

Just saying because I wanted Fox in that draft and would still love to have him, so if Morant is close in talent and ability then I'd be very pleased with finally having a PG of that caliber.

fox was a much better finisher, defender, and had a much more projectable shot. played with an intensity and motor on both ends that ja doesn’t.

[Clyde_Style]

I notice lots of anti-Morant sentiments.

Just a thought, but Fox is turning out to be quite the player for SAC.

Whatever flaws Ja may have, isn't he at least as good or better than Fox was when he was drafted?

Just saying because I wanted Fox in that draft and would still love to have him, so if Morant is close in talent and ability then I'd be very pleased with finally having a PG of that caliber.

fox was a much better finisher, defender, and had a much more projectable shot. played with an intensity and motor on both ends that ja doesn’t.

OK, thanks. That's why I'm asking, because I really have no idea other than he's the top rated PG in the draft. I followed Fox's draft a bit and formed some opinions at that time. Now I'm checked out mostly and have no strong POV on the talent in this draft. I do remember thinking Fox was kind of fierce, could really slash to the rim and was a very strong finisher. I don't know that to be true of Ja.

And if Ja has no hunger to play D, then eff him. I want a 2-way stud to run the team. Tired of settling for one trick ponies.

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Did he get a promise? which team gave him a promise? was it the knicks? Lakers? Suns?