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Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo

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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#181 » by denterprise » Sat May 25, 2019 9:44 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
denterprise wrote:
SARGO127 wrote:
Which is why I’m not opposed to trading down if we have an indication no max guys are coming.

8, 10, Hawks 2020 1st top 5 protected for 3.

8 - Reddish
10 - Clarke

DSJ
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Mitch

Solid core of young guys there and 6 firsts over the next three years + cap. Great shape going forward.


If we get an indication that no one is coming, then I would not have a problem putting a package together for the number 2 pick. Ja and RJ would give us a really good back court. Along with Mitch, they could be our version of a Curry, Thompson and Green without the exceptional shooting in a few years.



Or instead of trading up for that #2 pick, which would cost a bunch, we could make a trade for that Lakers 4th pick and draft D.Garland who's a pure shooter and put him with RJ in the back court. RJ isn't a great shooter so i'd like to have at least one of our back court players to be a great shooter which would be Garland. I love Ja but to have two average shooters in our back court isn't really the best option.


That works for me if Garland turns out to be the player he is expected to be. I have never seen any live games with him so I will have to take everyone's word that he is a top-level guard.
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Post#182 » by mg » Sat May 25, 2019 10:17 pm

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newyorker4ever wrote:

I'd take D.Hunter over J.Culver and would probably take Garland over him as well. Hunter is the guy i really like and he outplayed him when they played each other in that tourney game. I damn sure wouldn't be mad at Culver cause i am a fan but Hunter is my guy. Plays both sides of the ball and can shoot the rock and can play either forward position.


Hunter is grossly overrated. He doesn’t have a true position, his off the dribble game is weak & he isn’t a proven shooter from 3. I’m good on Al-Faroq Aminu with a top 5 pick.

It’s Culver or Garland or bust tbh. Ja if we get a blessing and he drops.


I think Hunter is gonna drop similar to how Mikal dropped last year. The upside just isn't there with him, he projects as a good role player. I think he will be better than Aminu but probably not by much. At 3 you gotta go with more upside and I would even consider Cam before Hunter. Culver is just more talented and offers way more versatility so I would go with him over Hunter also. If I'm gonna be honest then I'm even looking at somebody like Nassir Little over Hunter.


Hunter is, unequivocally, nothing like Aminu and is quite a bit better than Bridges too.

He's a better shooter. He's a better athlete. He has a better body. He has a better attitude. He has better footwork. He has better lateral quickness. He makes better decisions.

Hunter is a 3, with wing skill, who is big enough to play the 4.

Hunter is one of the rare cases of these 3 skills in combination:

1. True NBA small forward size......he's a legit 6'7"/6'8" with a 7'2"+ wingspan.
2. Lateral athleticism to switch and effectively neutralize smaller players on the ball.
3. Plus shooting ability.

Even good NBA wings typically only have 2 of those 3 qualities. Many wings only have 1. Aminu has none of them. Hunter has all 3.

Hunter is the rare player that has the tool set to actually make the premier scoring wings in the NBA work because he has the size, strength and footwork to actually guard in space and he has the requisite length to contest shots. He's also capable of effectively guarding 4 positions, something Aminu can only dream about even attempting.

Just go look in the draft database and find me another player that is 6'7", 7'2" wingspan, 4 DBPM and a 40% 3PT shooter. Hunter is not a very common prospect profile.....when looking at the totality of his skills.

I think Hunter has a higher ceiling than most think. He's way better with the ball than, for example, Mikal Bridges who was basically a straight-line attack closeouts guy only. Hunter has ability as a PnR ball handler, he can come off screens, he can take mismatches in the post. I think Hunter could absolutely be a Jimmy Butler or Paul George level offensive player, and he's already a better shooter than both of them were as rookies.

The thing I personally love about Hunter, that gives him a chance to become an off dribble 3 PT shooter, is he is just insanely consistent shooting the ball. I truly think people just really underrate just how good he is in all situational shooting metrics, especially from 3.....he has just developed in to a sniper from 15 feet out.

2018-2019 season....250+ jumpers.

3PT Jumpers

Offense in transition: 41.2%
Non transition offense: 44.3%
Late offense: 50%
First 10 seconds of shot clock: 45%
Seconds 11-20 of shot clock: 40.4%
More than 20 seconds in to shot clock: 47.4%

2PT Jumpers

Offense in transition: 27.3% (11 total shots)
Non transition offense: 44.0%
Late offense: 42.3%
First 10 seconds of shot clock: 39.1%
Seconds 11-20 of shot clock: 43.1%
More than 20 seconds in to shot clock: 44.8%

His numbers in late offense / late shot clock situations are just phenomenal, indicating he just doesn't feel pressure.....which is probably evident after watching some of the huge shots he drilled during the NCAA tourney.

He really just doesn't display percentage weaknesses anywhere, in his 3PT shooting. That just speaks to great mechanics, consistent release, etc.....where you just have to believe he can repeat those off the dribble with enough player development reps.

As for the supposed age issue all of these guys were the same age or older when drafted:
McCollum
Lillard
J. Butler
Draymond
Klay
Steph Curry
Kemba
Oladipo

I'm not saying the Knicks should take him at 3 but based on the comments in here he is criminally underrated by most fans.
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Post#183 » by F N 11 » Sat May 25, 2019 10:25 pm

Anybody else doing their dues on JA Incase?
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Post#184 » by HEZI » Sat May 25, 2019 10:49 pm

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Hunter is grossly overrated. He doesn’t have a true position, his off the dribble game is weak & he isn’t a proven shooter from 3. I’m good on Al-Faroq Aminu with a top 5 pick.

It’s Culver or Garland or bust tbh. Ja if we get a blessing and he drops.


I think Hunter is gonna drop similar to how Mikal dropped last year. The upside just isn't there with him, he projects as a good role player. I think he will be better than Aminu but probably not by much. At 3 you gotta go with more upside and I would even consider Cam before Hunter. Culver is just more talented and offers way more versatility so I would go with him over Hunter also. If I'm gonna be honest then I'm even looking at somebody like Nassir Little over Hunter.


Hunter is, unequivocally, nothing like Aminu and is quite a bit better than Bridges too.

He's a better shooter. He's a better athlete. He has a better body. He has a better attitude. He has better footwork. He has better lateral quickness. He makes better decisions.

Hunter is a 3, with wing skill, who is big enough to play the 4.

Hunter is one of the rare cases of these 3 skills in combination:

1. True NBA small forward size......he's a legit 6'7"/6'8" with a 7'2"+ wingspan.
2. Lateral athleticism to switch and effectively neutralize smaller players on the ball.
3. Plus shooting ability.

Even good NBA wings typically only have 2 of those 3 qualities. Many wings only have 1. Aminu has none of them. Hunter has all 3.

Hunter is the rare player that has the tool set to actually make the premier scoring wings in the NBA work because he has the size, strength and footwork to actually guard in space and he has the requisite length to contest shots. He's also capable of effectively guarding 4 positions, something Aminu can only dream about even attempting.

Just go look in the draft database and find me another player that is 6'7", 7'2" wingspan, 4 DBPM and a 40% 3PT shooter. Hunter is not a very common prospect profile.....when looking at the totality of his skills.

I think Hunter has a higher ceiling than most think. He's way better with the ball than, for example, Mikal Bridges who was basically a straight-line attack closeouts guy only. Hunter has ability as a PnR ball handler, he can come off screens, he can take mismatches in the post. I think Hunter could absolutely be a Jimmy Butler or Paul George level offensive player, and he's already a better shooter than both of them were as rookies.

The thing I personally love about Hunter, that gives him a chance to become an off dribble 3 PT shooter, is he is just insanely consistent shooting the ball. I truly think people just really underrate just how good he is in all situational shooting metrics, especially from 3.....he has just developed in to a sniper from 15 feet out.

2018-2019 season....250+ jumpers.

3PT Jumpers

Offense in transition: 41.2%
Non transition offense: 44.3%
Late offense: 50%
First 10 seconds of shot clock: 45%
Seconds 11-20 of shot clock: 40.4%
More than 20 seconds in to shot clock: 47.4%

2PT Jumpers

Offense in transition: 27.3% (11 total shots)
Non transition offense: 44.0%
Late offense: 42.3%
First 10 seconds of shot clock: 39.1%
Seconds 11-20 of shot clock: 43.1%
More than 20 seconds in to shot clock: 44.8%

His numbers in late offense / late shot clock situations are just phenomenal, indicating he just doesn't feel pressure.....which is probably evident after watching some of the huge shots he drilled during the NCAA tourney.

He really just doesn't display percentage weaknesses anywhere, in his 3PT shooting. That just speaks to great mechanics, consistent release, etc.....where you just have to believe he can repeat those off the dribble with enough player development reps.

As for the supposed age issue all of these guys were the same age or older when drafted:
McCollum
Lillard
J. Butler
Draymond
Klay
Steph Curry
Kemba
Oladipo

I'm not saying the Knicks should take him at 3 but based on the comments in here he is criminally underrated by most fans.


Nothing about his game says future star. Yeah his percentages are good but they are also low in volume. NBA is a different league and I just don't see anything about him that says he's gonna evelavate his game to become an elite NBA player. Offensively he's going to max out at like Jeff Green level, which is really solid but not anywhere near the Butler or PG level you think he could reach. I do like his physical profile and he's got a much better NBA body than Bridges but Bridges was a better shooter even on the move coming off screens catch and shoot situations. Hunter probably won't be asked to operate much with the ball in his hands. His value will be as a 3/D player who might have some opportunities to take advantage of mismatches on the block if a guard switches on him but I don't see him having the abilty to take NBA forwards off the dribble consistently and if he ever does develop those abilities then I still see only Jeff Green level scoring threat, which again, is solid but nothing special.

He's not a guy I would take with a top 5 pick in this draft especially if I'm the Knicks. If a team is set in other positions and is missing a guy like him to fill a void and play his role then sure but the Knicks can't afford to waste a top pick on him this year. If Lakers wanna do it and build around Lebron then they might be able to get away with it but even them I'm not sure they will.
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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#185 » by HEZI » Sat May 25, 2019 11:07 pm

If Kabengele falls outside the lotto he's gonna be a steal for whoever lands him
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Post#186 » by taj2133 » Sat May 25, 2019 11:23 pm

HEZI wrote:If Kabengele falls outside the lotto he's gonna be a steal for whoever lands him

I like him the only thing that sucks for him he is going to be 22 years old in august could drop.
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Post#187 » by 2010 » Sat May 25, 2019 11:36 pm

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Post#188 » by SelbyCobra » Sat May 25, 2019 11:42 pm

The only way I trade #3 is in a deal with CLE for #5 and the 1-10 rights to their 2020 1st rounder.

Otherwise there's no reason to move it. Moving down for the sake of it is getting too cute with an asset that shouldn't be trivialized. They need to basically stay in the the top 6-7 AND pickup an unprotected 1st rounder from a lotto-bound team next year. It has to be a huge and near-term win to trade this pick.
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Post#189 » by F N 11 » Sun May 26, 2019 1:02 am

Y’all making this too hard. RJ or JA and figure it out.
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Post#190 » by robillionaire » Sun May 26, 2019 1:05 am

F N 11 wrote:Y’all making this too hard. RJ or JA and figure it out.


if we draft anybody that isn't one of those 2 I'm booing the pick :lol:
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Post#191 » by TheGreenArrow » Sun May 26, 2019 1:12 am

ON the THE ROAD TO RJ BARRETT!!!!
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Post#192 » by Clyde_Style » Sun May 26, 2019 1:30 am

2010 wrote:
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Tell these mofos about Future Clipper Nassir Little 2010!


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Post#193 » by bearadonisdna » Sun May 26, 2019 1:40 am

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Post#194 » by mg » Sun May 26, 2019 1:45 am

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mg wrote:
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I think Hunter is gonna drop similar to how Mikal dropped last year. The upside just isn't there with him, he projects as a good role player. I think he will be better than Aminu but probably not by much. At 3 you gotta go with more upside and I would even consider Cam before Hunter. Culver is just more talented and offers way more versatility so I would go with him over Hunter also. If I'm gonna be honest then I'm even looking at somebody like Nassir Little over Hunter.


Hunter is, unequivocally, nothing like Aminu and is quite a bit better than Bridges too.

He's a better shooter. He's a better athlete. He has a better body. He has a better attitude. He has better footwork. He has better lateral quickness. He makes better decisions.

Hunter is a 3, with wing skill, who is big enough to play the 4.

Hunter is one of the rare cases of these 3 skills in combination:

1. True NBA small forward size......he's a legit 6'7"/6'8" with a 7'2"+ wingspan.
2. Lateral athleticism to switch and effectively neutralize smaller players on the ball.
3. Plus shooting ability.

Even good NBA wings typically only have 2 of those 3 qualities. Many wings only have 1. Aminu has none of them. Hunter has all 3.

Hunter is the rare player that has the tool set to actually make the premier scoring wings in the NBA work because he has the size, strength and footwork to actually guard in space and he has the requisite length to contest shots. He's also capable of effectively guarding 4 positions, something Aminu can only dream about even attempting.

Just go look in the draft database and find me another player that is 6'7", 7'2" wingspan, 4 DBPM and a 40% 3PT shooter. Hunter is not a very common prospect profile.....when looking at the totality of his skills.

I think Hunter has a higher ceiling than most think. He's way better with the ball than, for example, Mikal Bridges who was basically a straight-line attack closeouts guy only. Hunter has ability as a PnR ball handler, he can come off screens, he can take mismatches in the post. I think Hunter could absolutely be a Jimmy Butler or Paul George level offensive player, and he's already a better shooter than both of them were as rookies.

The thing I personally love about Hunter, that gives him a chance to become an off dribble 3 PT shooter, is he is just insanely consistent shooting the ball. I truly think people just really underrate just how good he is in all situational shooting metrics, especially from 3.....he has just developed in to a sniper from 15 feet out.

2018-2019 season....250+ jumpers.

3PT Jumpers

Offense in transition: 41.2%
Non transition offense: 44.3%
Late offense: 50%
First 10 seconds of shot clock: 45%
Seconds 11-20 of shot clock: 40.4%
More than 20 seconds in to shot clock: 47.4%

2PT Jumpers

Offense in transition: 27.3% (11 total shots)
Non transition offense: 44.0%
Late offense: 42.3%
First 10 seconds of shot clock: 39.1%
Seconds 11-20 of shot clock: 43.1%
More than 20 seconds in to shot clock: 44.8%

His numbers in late offense / late shot clock situations are just phenomenal, indicating he just doesn't feel pressure.....which is probably evident after watching some of the huge shots he drilled during the NCAA tourney.

He really just doesn't display percentage weaknesses anywhere, in his 3PT shooting. That just speaks to great mechanics, consistent release, etc.....where you just have to believe he can repeat those off the dribble with enough player development reps.

As for the supposed age issue all of these guys were the same age or older when drafted:
McCollum
Lillard
J. Butler
Draymond
Klay
Steph Curry
Kemba
Oladipo

I'm not saying the Knicks should take him at 3 but based on the comments in here he is criminally underrated by most fans.


Nothing about his game says future star. Yeah his percentages are good but they are also low in volume. NBA is a different league and I just don't see anything about him that says he's gonna evelavate his game to become an elite NBA player. Offensively he's going to max out at like Jeff Green level, which is really solid but not anywhere near the Butler or PG level you think he could reach. I do like his physical profile and he's got a much better NBA body than Bridges but Bridges was a better shooter even on the move coming off screens catch and shoot situations. Hunter probably won't be asked to operate much with the ball in his hands. His value will be as a 3/D player who might have some opportunities to take advantage of mismatches on the block if a guard switches on him but I don't see him having the abilty to take NBA forwards off the dribble consistently and if he ever does develop those abilities then I still see only Jeff Green level scoring threat, which again, is solid but nothing special.

He's not a guy I would take with a top 5 pick in this draft especially if I'm the Knicks. If a team is set in other positions and is missing a guy like him to fill a void and play his role then sure but the Knicks can't afford to waste a top pick on him this year. If Lakers wanna do it and build around Lebron then they might be able to get away with it but even them I'm not sure they will.


Agree to disagree but other than some physical similarities I don't see the Jeff Green comparison at all with Hunter. Green can't create and is a middling 3 pt shooter. He's just invisible on the court while Hunter has already stepped up on the biggest stage in college basketball.
Like I said I'm not advocating the knicks draft him ahead of Ja/RJ at 3 but Hunter is going to be very good in the NBA.
Now if the Knicks are convinced KD and Kyrie are coming I would say that Hunter or possibly Culver could be better compliments than RJ but of course the draft occurs before free agency and teams should generally select the guy with the highest ceiling esp in the lottery.
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Post#195 » by Iron Mantis » Sun May 26, 2019 1:45 am

Knicks tanked, successfully nabbed the #3 pick and the opportunity to draft a consensus top prospect, and now want to trade down to #8 or some strange place.

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Post#196 » by Zenzibar » Sun May 26, 2019 1:47 am

Another scouting analysis on RJ Barrett. Thought you might enjoy.

https://www.lineups.com/articles/rj-barrett-scouting-report-top-3-worthy/

RJ Barrett Scouting Report: Is He Top 3 Worthy?

Browsing around a lot of the RJ Barrett scouting reports online, I saw a troubling sentence: Barrett may have peaked in high school. In high school, Barrett was a prototypical offensive wing who could impose his will on any defense through his scoring prowess. Prior to the start of the season, Barrett was the consensus number one pick, rated even higher than Ja Morant and his Duke teammate and now-consensus number one pick Zion Williamson. Yet, Barrett didn’t showcase much growth in his lone freshman season. Beyond marginally improving his outside shot (which still needs a ton of work, as he only shot 30.8% from 3) and showing off some playmaking ability, Barrett was mostly the same player that he was playing for Montverde Academy and in Nike EYBL.
When evaluating top prospects, it’s almost imperative to see steady improvement and growth. After all, organizations aren’t drafting players for what they were, they are drafting them for what they think they can be. This growth clearly can be identified for prospects such as Jarrett Culver, who made huge strides this season. Peaking in high school isn’t typically something you want to hear about a projected top 5 pick.


How Barrett stacks up in the NBA
Barrett is not James Harden. He isn’t DeMar DeRozan. He isn’t Tracy McGrady. Throw those outlandish comparisons out the window, because he isn’t anywhere near that good. Still, that doesn’t mean Barrett can’t be a really good pro. I’m not quite sure what the peaking in high school line means, either. He still showcased some incredibly high-level play in college. Not many come out of high school and score like he did as a freshman. He did that all despite almost always being the youngest player on the court (he was originally in the Class of 2019). If he had spent 2-3 years in school and really developed all aspects of his game, I have a strong feeling we’d be looking at him way differently.

The first thing that stands out about Barrett is his NBA frame. He unquestionably has that rare, physical build of a solid 2/3 who can switch 1-4, take the physicality of the game, do whatever’s asked of him, etc. Speaking of doing whatever’s asked of him: he was 3rd in the NCAA in minutes played. In the games I watched, Coach K had a tendency to ride him into the ground, often playing him 37-38 minutes in pivotal games and just getting him a couple of minutes to breathe. To me, this is a good sign: I obviously trust Coach K tremendously when it comes to understanding what it takes to win. He viewed RJ Barrett as incredibly important to his team’s success, so much so that even as a freshman he could hardly afford to take him out of the game at all. Watching the film, you can understand this more and more. Barrett plays within himself. He rarely forces things. He makes the simple play offensively. He has a calm demeanor. He is probably the smartest help defender on the team, with very good awareness. He sees man and ball, is always ready to tag the roller, and makes multiple efforts defensively.

He stands out for his basketball IQ as well, particularly in his playmaking. It’s rare to find a scoring wing have multiple games with over 10 assists like Barrett did. Though not considered a PG, I see a guy who can play some point forward at the next level, in the mold of a Joe Ingles or Nic Batum. He plays the game with a terrific pace, reads PNRs well, stays under control and makes the right, simple pass almost every time. In the pick and roll, Barrett recognizes late help early and can drop the pass into the roller’s chest with ease. These reads got better as the season went on too. You can see the influences of his Godfather, Canada’s own Steve Nash, in his game.

Barrett can get out and run and finish in transition. In this regard, he operates in the mold of a grab-and-go rebounding wing who’s always looking to get out and push the pace. He can operate as a secondary ballhandler/playmaker. He can knock down open shots, play out of some pindowns to his right shoulder (L hand). He’s not afraid to mix it up and go get rebounds with the bigs.

So what’s not to like?
rj barrett dukeWell, like a fellow Duke prospect, RJ can really only go one way. He’s TREMENDOUSLY left-hand dominant. He shows little ability to get into any sort of gap with his right hand or finish with his right around the basket. Even when shown an open straight-line drive going right, he sometimes tries to go back to his left, exponentially increasing the difficulty of the shot. He plays too upright. The phrase LOWER MAN WINS is one of the most true basketball axioms I’ve ever come across – and he frequently can’t get past his defender to the rim because of how upright he is and his mediocre handle, and gets burned on defense some because of the inverse of this. I can’t think of many NBA players who can pretty much ONLY go one way. To be an elite scorer today, you have to be able to cross over to either hand and get by your man one-on-one. Barrett becomes a predictable guard with his left-dominant he is.

Although he’s been described as a really good athlete, I don’t see any sort of freakish athleticism translate to how he gets his offense. He’s a straight line driver, not a ferocious attacker in transition, and tends to lack the leaping ability (or know-how) to really attack consistently. While he can get by his man with his quick first step, he often wasn’t quick enough to truly increase the separation from his man and finish at the rim. This is concerning, as NBA defenders are much quicker and will be able to recover much more effectively. His shot mechanics still need a lot of work as well. He’s pretty good up top — as in, he holds his follow thru, he has a decent enough stroke, and most of that looks good – but his feet are frequently not set, flat, and he lacks the advanced footwork to step into a shot.

RJ’s NBA Outlook
knicksOverall, I see a general lack of creativity in his game. I don’t see the ability to pound and elevate and create much of anything from the midrange. I don’t see much iso ability besides a simple straight left-hand drive. I don’t see much “wiggle” to get his own shot off. It’s going to be very difficult for him to be an elite scorer while lacking these attributes. He would fit best in a heavy, multiple PNR system. I think his ability to make the simple PNR read and the right pass is his best NBA skill.

NBA 3&D wings are hard to come by. Although listed at 6’7, RJ plays and looks a bit smaller than that. I view him more of a 2 at the next level, and I’m not positive he’s a starter. I think he compares more to a guy like Rodney Hood – a solid, albeit inconsistent wing who can play some point forward, hit some shots, but doesn’t do anything exceptionally well. I see some Kelly Oubre in him – a heavily LH-dominant guy who plays in pretty straight lines. I think Ingles is kind of his best model and peak – a heady 2 guard who can play out of PNRs, knock down shots, do the simple high-IQ things, and contribute to winning.

Barrett would fit in fine with New York, and definitely deserves consideration at 3. But I’m not convinced he has a higher upside than Jarrett Culver. I think Barrett fits in fine with the Knicks, but I think if he ends up on a team with deigns of being competitive next season, he likely starts off the bench. I think he ends up somewhere between Hood and Ingles as a player, and Culver’s upside as a potential Paul George may be too much to pass up. Stay tuned for our scout of Culver soon…

If you’re ok with that as a top 10 pick, go right ahead. If you’re not? I believe Jarrett Culver has a much higher ceiling.



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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#197 » by Chanel Bomber » Sun May 26, 2019 1:49 am

F N 11 wrote:Y’all making this too hard. RJ or JA and figure it out.

Nah, I'm team RJ all the way but there's about a 60% chance the consensus #3 pick pans out. That means the Knicks have to consider every option.
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Post#198 » by Clyde_Style » Sun May 26, 2019 1:55 am

Iron Mantis wrote:Knicks tanked, successfully nabbed the #3 pick and the opportunity to draft a consensus top prospect, and now want to trade down to #8 or some strange place.

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Exactly. We beat the statistical odds in a reconfigured lottery process so stay the course.
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Post#199 » by Worst_to_First » Sun May 26, 2019 2:05 am

Yeah still RJ over Culver for me.
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Post#200 » by F N 11 » Sun May 26, 2019 2:27 am

Iron Mantis wrote:Knicks tanked, successfully nabbed the #3 pick and the opportunity to draft a consensus top prospect, and now want to trade down to #8 or some strange place.

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Lmao :lol: when you put it like that it’s even more funny. If we had the 8th push we would all be crying. Now we in top 3 some wanna trade down to 8. :banghead:
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