The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread

[MaseInYourFace]

Honestly...this convo is on the treadmill...entering death a spiral. There is no logic whatsoever in giving up on a player his age with his defensive skill. He was a project. The player most Frank haters wanted is here anyway so...what the problem is? Let him rock. I don't get how this thought process works. Witness decades of never keeping or developing picks/players...then rush to throw them away once we do? We could put a championship contending team together listing the players and picks we have let go!!

Frank was drafted too high that was problem #1. He should have been drafted right after lottery or late 1st. He’s on the team though and boy do I wish he figures out a role at nba level. But I would like people to be realistic about his current progress and status.

Like I said...the player a lot of people wanted is also here...so...his draft position shouldn't matter. He's here. Let him rock. If he doesn't stick oh well....what's the rush? How many players/picks have we given away or not re-signed have gone on to have solid careers? When it comes time to pay him...then you decide. Right now...there is no reason. He was 18. Will people be giving up on RJ in 2 years?

The time to decide whether to keep and pay him is coming up soon...

I bring up draft slot because you usually try to draft projects later in the draft that way the expectations fit the player. Frank is a project but the Knicks have never really treated him that way.

As for RJ it would be a huge disaster if he started off as poorly as Frank. So yeah people would be giving up on him honestly.

[MaseInYourFace]

Franks not going to get any playing time on this team, so I'm past caring.

Hell, Perry brought in another PG he's enamored of, so if I'm DSJr, I'd be nervous too.

Payton about to Mudiay DSJr.

Lol I’d be pretty surprised if that happens.

[thebuzzardman]

Franks not going to get any playing time on this team, so I'm past caring.

Hell, Perry brought in another PG he's enamored of, so if I'm DSJr, I'd be nervous too.

Payton about to Mudiay DSJr.

Lol I’d be pretty surprised if that happens.

I wouldn't be. DSJr got enough minutes when Mudiay was on the scene. I just wouldn't expect to see DSJr playing north of 30 mpg, at all. Payton is here to play at least 20 mpg.

When Perry brings in a PG, it's that guys minutes to lose. Those guys get playing time; fairly significant amounts.

[MaseInYourFace]

Franks not going to get any playing time on this team, so I'm past caring.

Hell, Perry brought in another PG he's enamored of, so if I'm DSJr, I'd be nervous too.

Payton about to Mudiay DSJr.

This is a concern for Frank. Perry brought in 4 other PG with Frank being here. Burke/Mud/DSJ/Payton. If he wants to get minutes...he's going to have to take them this year. It's not a good position to be in for him. Being a Phil pick shouldn't matter but...looks like it does. If Frank wants a job...He's gonna have to fight for it. The FO/Jeff/Fiz have shown very little concern about his development...at PG at least.

Whatever Frank is or isn't, this FO has shown that they aren't that into him. I'd be surprised if he even dresses most games. He's the 3rd string PG, 4th string SG and 4th string SF right now. If he bulked up, he could be the 5th string PF.

The only universe he gets playing time on the Knicks is one full of injuries or if he somehow was still on the team post trade deadline and the Knicks traded like 4 of the 1 year contract guys.

I think he's one of those players, like a lot of the 19 year olds, that needed 3 full seasons to get it together. However, the way that cap holds etc work, for a lot of them it will be on their 2nd team, which includes Frank. And yes, that might be a defensive role player. I think he'll stick somewhere, but not the Knicks.

I agree mostly but I still think it’s mostly on Frank. I generally don’t buy into the narrative the team screwed him over. He’s had adequate chances. He’s not the first won’t be the last player drafted into less than ideal situation. I also think it might take another team and a few more years for him to fully develop.

[MaseInYourFace]

Franks not going to get any playing time on this team, so I'm past caring.

Hell, Perry brought in another PG he's enamored of, so if I'm DSJr, I'd be nervous too.

Payton about to Mudiay DSJr.

Lol I’d be pretty surprised if that happens.

I wouldn't be. DSJr got enough minutes when Mudiay was on the scene. I just wouldn't expect to see DSJr playing north of 30 mpg, at all. Payton is here to play at least 20 mpg.

When Perry brings in a PG, it's that guys minutes to lose. Those guys get playing time; fairly significant amounts.

Perry also brought in DSJr though..,

[thebuzzardman]

This is a concern for Frank. Perry brought in 4 other PG with Frank being here. Burke/Mud/DSJ/Payton. If he wants to get minutes...he's going to have to take them this year. It's not a good position to be in for him. Being a Phil pick shouldn't matter but...looks like it does. If Frank wants a job...He's gonna have to fight for it. The FO/Jeff/Fiz have shown very little concern about his development...at PG at least.

Whatever Frank is or isn't, this FO has shown that they aren't that into him. I'd be surprised if he even dresses most games. He's the 3rd string PG, 4th string SG and 4th string SF right now. If he bulked up, he could be the 5th string PF.

The only universe he gets playing time on the Knicks is one full of injuries or if he somehow was still on the team post trade deadline and the Knicks traded like 4 of the 1 year contract guys.

I think he's one of those players, like a lot of the 19 year olds, that needed 3 full seasons to get it together. However, the way that cap holds etc work, for a lot of them it will be on their 2nd team, which includes Frank. And yes, that might be a defensive role player. I think he'll stick somewhere, but not the Knicks.

I agree mostly but I still think it’s mostly on Frank. I generally don’t buy into the narrative the team screwed him over. He’s had adequate chances. He’s not the first won’t be the last player drafted into less than ideal situation. I also think it might take another team and a few more years for him to fully develop.

I think it's both. I think Frank needs to develop, didn't develop fast enough and also the FO was never sold on him, he's not "their guy".
Both are true.

[Kampuchea]

Franks not going to get any playing time on this team, so I'm past caring.

Hell, Perry brought in another PG he's enamored of, so if I'm DSJr, I'd be nervous too.

Payton about to Mudiay DSJr.

This is a concern for Frank. Perry brought in 4 other PG with Frank being here. Burke/Mud/DSJ/Payton. If he wants to get minutes...he's going to have to take them this year. It's not a good position to be in for him. Being a Phil pick shouldn't matter but...looks like it does. If Frank wants a job...He's gonna have to fight for it. The FO/Jeff/Fiz have shown very little concern about his development...at PG at least.

Do people really believe that Frank not playing is because of Fiz or Perry being biased against Phils picks? I have no problem with bringing in Elf. We cannot just roll with DSJ/Frank at Point, I like the signing.

[thebuzzardman]

Lol I’d be pretty surprised if that happens.

I wouldn't be. DSJr got enough minutes when Mudiay was on the scene. I just wouldn't expect to see DSJr playing north of 30 mpg, at all. Payton is here to play at least 20 mpg.

When Perry brings in a PG, it's that guys minutes to lose. Those guys get playing time; fairly significant amounts.

Perry also brought in DSJr though..,

It's a player who came back in a trade.

I like they got Payton. He's a "young vet". He still retains some upside. Best of all? a 1+1 deal. But if they REALLY liked DSJr, they'd have brought in an "old head" PG to play 12 mpg behind the major minutes they see DSJr playing. But they didn't.

To play devils advocate to myself, they may see Payton as being able to hold down 12 mpg at PG, but also function as a 2nd guard next to a scoring PG, as he did that, kind of, with JRue in NO.

Interesting stuff going on next year. The team lacks that top end talent, but has pretty good quality depth.

[Kampuchea]

Franks not going to get any playing time on this team, so I'm past caring.

Hell, Perry brought in another PG he's enamored of, so if I'm DSJr, I'd be nervous too.

Payton about to Mudiay DSJr.

Lol I’d be pretty surprised if that happens.

I wouldn't be. DSJr got enough minutes when Mudiay was on the scene. I just wouldn't expect to see DSJr playing north of 30 mpg, at all. Payton is here to play at least 20 mpg.

When Perry brings in a PG, it's that guys minutes to lose. Those guys get playing time; fairly significant amounts.

Perry is instructing Fiz as to the minutes they should play? It's sad to hear we have him meddling with the coach, when can we get some good leadership in our front office.

[thebuzzardman]

Lol I’d be pretty surprised if that happens.

I wouldn't be. DSJr got enough minutes when Mudiay was on the scene. I just wouldn't expect to see DSJr playing north of 30 mpg, at all. Payton is here to play at least 20 mpg.

When Perry brings in a PG, it's that guys minutes to lose. Those guys get playing time; fairly significant amounts.

Perry is instructing Fiz as to the minutes they should play? It's sad to hear we have him meddling with the coach, when can we get some good leadership in our front office.

How do I put it? I wish I could find the exact articles, but the Pills were pretty clear about a holistic approach to running the team, where the FO and coach were sympatico in the development etc. I just read that their coaching search had a lot to do with a guy who would buy into that. Do I think they "meddle with minutes and set the rotation"? Not exactly. Do I think they make some pretty strong suggestions about who should play, and why, in general? Absolutely.

[thebuzzardman]

Franks not going to get any playing time on this team, so I'm past caring.

Hell, Perry brought in another PG he's enamored of, so if I'm DSJr, I'd be nervous too.

Payton about to Mudiay DSJr.

This is a concern for Frank. Perry brought in 4 other PG with Frank being here. Burke/Mud/DSJ/Payton. If he wants to get minutes...he's going to have to take them this year. It's not a good position to be in for him. Being a Phil pick shouldn't matter but...looks like it does. If Frank wants a job...He's gonna have to fight for it. The FO/Jeff/Fiz have shown very little concern about his development...at PG at least.

Do people really believe that Frank not playing is because of Fiz or Perry being biased against Phils picks? I have no problem with bringing in Elf. We cannot just roll with DSJ/Frank at Point, I like the signing.

I don't think it was being biased against a pick because Phil (though with Mills, I can't be entirely sure) but more that Mills never liked that pick, it's not his guy, so he really doesn't give a sh*t about him. If Frank set the world on fire, would that force the hand of Pills to play him? Sure. But if not, they really don't care about his development. Not their guy. It happens.

Also, if the team wants to win some games this year, yeah, they bring in Payton.

I'm not against Payton coming in. I like it. I think he's going to get a lot of minutes. That's what Perry does. Has anyone else been watching the last 2 seasons?

[HEZI]

He should be developing in the GLeague

DSJ, Payton, Trier, Dotson, RJ, Ellington, Bullock

Where are his minutes supposed to come from? Send him to GLeague, been saying it since last season

[Jalen Bluntson]

Franks not going to get any playing time on this team, so I'm past caring.

Hell, Perry brought in another PG he's enamored of, so if I'm DSJr, I'd be nervous too.

Payton about to Mudiay DSJr.

This is a concern for Frank. Perry brought in 4 other PG with Frank being here. Burke/Mud/DSJ/Payton. If he wants to get minutes...he's going to have to take them this year. It's not a good position to be in for him. Being a Phil pick shouldn't matter but...looks like it does. If Frank wants a job...He's gonna have to fight for it. The FO/Jeff/Fiz have shown very little concern about his development...at PG at least.

Do people really believe that Frank not playing is because of Fiz or Perry being biased against Phils picks? I have no problem with bringing in Elf. We cannot just roll with DSJ/Frank at Point, I like the signing.

Perry has reset everything Phil has done except Dot/Frank/6mil Noah money. EVERYTHING else is gone. So...yeah...the impetus at PG has not been based around Frank getting the job. The proof? Mud/Burke/DSJ/Allen/Payton playing Frank at SF. He was drafted for the triangle Phil wanted to implement. That plan got scrapped 2 weeks later!

Does Frank need to improve? Yes. Primarily on offense. Primarily...shooting/scoring. If he gets a consistent 3 he's a solid rotational player as is. I'm down for that.

[MaseInYourFace]

I wouldn't be. DSJr got enough minutes when Mudiay was on the scene. I just wouldn't expect to see DSJr playing north of 30 mpg, at all. Payton is here to play at least 20 mpg.

When Perry brings in a PG, it's that guys minutes to lose. Those guys get playing time; fairly significant amounts.

Perry also brought in DSJr though..,

It's a player who came back in a trade.

I like they got Payton. He's a "young vet". He still retains some upside. Best of all? a 1+1 deal. But if they REALLY liked DSJr, they'd have brought in an "old head" PG to play 12 mpg behind the major minutes they see DSJr playing. But they didn't.

To play devils advocate to myself, they may see Payton as being able to hold down 12 mpg at PG, but also function as a 2nd guard next to a scoring PG, as he did that, kind of, with JRue in NO.

Interesting stuff going on next year. The team lacks that top end talent, but has pretty good quality depth.

They are pretty different players. Heck they could even play together if DSJr develops his jumper enough. No, I don’t believe Perry is somehow sabotaging DSJr. Not really comparable to Franks situation either.

[MaseInYourFace]

I wouldn't be. DSJr got enough minutes when Mudiay was on the scene. I just wouldn't expect to see DSJr playing north of 30 mpg, at all. Payton is here to play at least 20 mpg.

When Perry brings in a PG, it's that guys minutes to lose. Those guys get playing time; fairly significant amounts.

Perry is instructing Fiz as to the minutes they should play? It's sad to hear we have him meddling with the coach, when can we get some good leadership in our front office.

How do I put it? I wish I could find the exact articles, but the Pills were pretty clear about a holistic approach to running the team, where the FO and coach were sympatico in the development etc. I just read that their coaching search had a lot to do with a guy who would buy into that. Do I think they "meddle with minutes and set the rotation"? Not exactly. Do I think they make some pretty strong suggestions about who should play, and why, in general? Absolutely.

I mean that’s how you want things to run ideally. Everyone on same page...

[thebuzzardman]

This is a concern for Frank. Perry brought in 4 other PG with Frank being here. Burke/Mud/DSJ/Payton. If he wants to get minutes...he's going to have to take them this year. It's not a good position to be in for him. Being a Phil pick shouldn't matter but...looks like it does. If Frank wants a job...He's gonna have to fight for it. The FO/Jeff/Fiz have shown very little concern about his development...at PG at least.

Do people really believe that Frank not playing is because of Fiz or Perry being biased against Phils picks? I have no problem with bringing in Elf. We cannot just roll with DSJ/Frank at Point, I like the signing.

Perry has reset everything Phil has done except Dot/Frank/6mil Noah money. EVERYTHING else is gone. So...yeah...the impetus at PG has not been based around Frank getting the job. The proof? Mud/Burke/DSJ/Allen/Payton playing Frank at SF. He was drafted for the triangle Phil wanted to implement. That plan got scrapped 2 weeks later!

Does Frank need to improve? Yes. Primarily on offense. Primarily...shooting/scoring. If he gets a consistent 3 he's a solid rotational player as is. I'm down for that.

Dotson gonna wind up at the end of the bench with Frank this year. You'll see.

Guards who will play ahead of Dotson:
RJ, Trier, Ellington, Payton

Wings who will play ahead of Dotson:
Morris, Knox, Iggy, Bullock (if he recovers)

Frank and Dotson will alternate sitting all game in uniform and modeling suits.

[MaseInYourFace]

He should be developing in the GLeague

DSJ, Payton, Trier, Dotson, RJ, Ellington, Bullock

Where are his minutes supposed to come from? Send him to GLeague, been saying it since last season

They should have did that from year 1.

[thebuzzardman]

Perry also brought in DSJr though..,

It's a player who came back in a trade.

I like they got Payton. He's a "young vet". He still retains some upside. Best of all? a 1+1 deal. But if they REALLY liked DSJr, they'd have brought in an "old head" PG to play 12 mpg behind the major minutes they see DSJr playing. But they didn't.

To play devils advocate to myself, they may see Payton as being able to hold down 12 mpg at PG, but also function as a 2nd guard next to a scoring PG, as he did that, kind of, with JRue in NO.

Interesting stuff going on next year. The team lacks that top end talent, but has pretty good quality depth.

They are pretty different players. Heck they could even play together if DSJr develops his jumper enough. No, I don’t believe Perry is somehow sabotaging DSJr. Not really comparable to Franks situation either.

Yup. I think they'll play together, at times. Fiz likes playing 3 guard lineups.

[thebuzzardman]

He should be developing in the GLeague

DSJ, Payton, Trier, Dotson, RJ, Ellington, Bullock

Where are his minutes supposed to come from? Send him to GLeague, been saying it since last season

I'd agree. Also, Dotson isn't going to get any minutes either, especially if Iggy flashes anything at all, which he will. Even though Iggy is a 3/4. Just minutes that will disappear where Dotson could've got in the game.

[MaseInYourFace]

There will be some trades. Just way too many players and not enough separating them. Perhaps by design?