2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2)

[ADeP7]

Problem is that if we go with wiseman we still need our pg and looking to free agency is all well and good but that’s going off the assumption someone would be willing to sign with us.
And I don’t mean the elfrid Payton’s of the world.

I think if you pay FVV enough he will come... The issue is what is "enough" and is he worth it?

But i also advise highly against taking Wiseman. If a team wants him, then trade down and take the lead guard you believe in the most and grab an extra asset.

Honestly, if we're in a position to take Wiseman, we should look into seeing what we can get for Mitch and the Mavs picks

Like, if the Warriors fall far enough, I could see them biting on that, then you can have both Wiseman and your PG going into next year, plus RJ

Maybe the Hawks take it? I don't know

Also kind of a sidetrack, but I find it kind of funny that we could've signed FVV as a UDFA in 2016, but we chose his teammate Ron Baker instead. It was kind of like foreshadowing how we could've drafted SGA in 2018 but we chose his teammate Kevin Knox instead

Wiseman just seems to have the least concerns at this point but still have a chance at superstar

While I like players like haliburton Hayes Nico. They don’t scream star player to me. More good key player but not one that wins you anything without having superstars with them.

We are in need of talent across the board.
If thats wiseman. Then go with him and like you said package Mitch and a pick or 2 to try and get a guard. The question. Is what guards can we get for Mitch

Van fleet would be nice though. Say you go wiseman and sign van fleet.

Van fleet - rj - Wiseman Is a nice little foundation. Maybe Knox grows.

[Fat]

Hailburton is definitely a safe pick though and a solid player. If your the Knicks how much do you value that when you already have no corner stone player?

Shoot for the stars in lamelo, wiseman , Edwards or play it safe with other guys who can play a role for your team but probably won’t be your doncic, trae young, morant etc etc type of player.

What makes Lamelo a shoot for the stars pick but not Haliburton?

Haliburton imo has way more potential

Because lamelo is the most elite playmaker in the draft with better handles and has the ability to get anywhere on the floor and score. His efficiency is a Concern his skill set isn’t

Hailburton right now is more of the complete player and more efficient, Definitely a better defender as well. Idk what else he does better than lamelo or how he has more potential.

[sol537]

Wiseman with our pick, a trade of Mitch + DSJr or something for a PG like 'Burton and you may be on to something...

[3toheadmelo]

Fred Van fleet
RJ Barrett
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
James Wiseman

[HerSports85]

Fred Van fleet
RJ Barrett
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
James Wiseman

Dammit melo now you got me dreaming of this lineup but with Halliburton. The pelicans have to be dumb not to max Ingram though .. right.

[HEZI]

Hailburton is definitely a safe pick though and a solid player. If your the Knicks how much do you value that when you already have no corner stone player?

Shoot for the stars in lamelo, wiseman , Edwards or play it safe with other guys who can play a role for your team but probably won’t be your doncic, trae young, morant etc etc type of player.

What makes Lamelo a shoot for the stars pick but not Haliburton?

Haliburton imo has way more potential

Because lamelo is the most elite playmaker in the draft with better handles and has the ability to get anywhere on the floor and score. His efficiency is a Concern his skill set isn’t

Hailburton right now is more of the complete player and more efficient, Definitely a better defender as well. Idk what else he does better than lamelo or how he has more potential.

Lamelo is only a slightly better playmaker if even that. So how is Haliburton not a better prospect when he's better at everything else?

[3toheadmelo]

Fred Van fleet
RJ Barrett
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
James Wiseman

Dammit melo now you got me dreaming of this lineup but with Halliburton. The pelicans have to be dumb not to max Ingram though .. right.

Yeah we prob have no chance of Ingram. If Emoni Bates reclassifies then he will take Ingrams spot

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What makes Lamelo a shoot for the stars pick but not Haliburton?

Haliburton imo has way more potential

Because lamelo is the most elite playmaker in the draft with better handles and has the ability to get anywhere on the floor and score. His efficiency is a Concern his skill set isn’t

Hailburton right now is more of the complete player and more efficient, Definitely a better defender as well. Idk what else he does better than lamelo or how he has more potential.

Lamelo is only a slightly better playmaker if even that. So how is Haliburton not a better prospect when he's better at everything else?

slightly? to each his own. he's 2 steps ahead with the IQ imo

When was the last the time the knicks had a point guard that wants the ball..can create his shot on the perimeter + can be an elite playmaker and has the handles? He is more polished than hailburton offensively and has the total package. if his 3 pointer percentage said 35% or something is the debate close?

Hailburton is less of a gamble can still be a playmaker, defend and hit a spot up jumper sure his biggest advantage is the 40% shooting from 3 and defense but he is not a scorer type of player though, those shots he takes are slow set shot releases over small college guards. if he had a different looking jumper and was more scorer minded from from the perimeter id be all over him pause. He's basically a line driver that can hit spot up shots id aim for more than that with a top 3 pick. but id gladly take him outside of the top 3.

[Fat]

Wiseman with our pick, a trade of Mitch + DSJr or something for a PG like 'Burton and you may be on to something...

that pacakage wont get you burton he can easily go as high as 5th in this draft especially if a team values a point guard with a bit more experience.

[HEZI]

Because lamelo is the most elite playmaker in the draft with better handles and has the ability to get anywhere on the floor and score. His efficiency is a Concern his skill set isn’t

Hailburton right now is more of the complete player and more efficient, Definitely a better defender as well. Idk what else he does better than lamelo or how he has more potential.

Lamelo is only a slightly better playmaker if even that. So how is Haliburton not a better prospect when he's better at everything else?

slightly? to each his own. he's 2 steps ahead with the IQ imo

When was the last the time the knicks had a point guard that wants the ball..can create his shot on the perimeter + can be an elite playmaker and has the handles? He is more polished than hailburton offensively and has the total package. if his 3 pointer percentage said 35% or something is the debate close?

Hailburton is less of a gamble can still be a playmaker, defend and hit a spot up jumper sure his biggest advantage is the 40% shooting from 3 and defense but he is not a scorer type of player though, those shots he takes are slow set shot releases over small college guards. if he had a different looking jumper and was more scorer minded from from the perimeter id be all over him pause. He's basically a line driver that can his a spot up shot id aim for more than that with a top 3 pick. but id gladly take him outside of the top 3.

In what areas is Lamelo more polished?

[Fat]

Lamelo is only a slightly better playmaker if even that. So how is Haliburton not a better prospect when he's better at everything else?

slightly? to each his own. he's 2 steps ahead with the IQ imo

When was the last the time the knicks had a point guard that wants the ball..can create his shot on the perimeter + can be an elite playmaker and has the handles? He is more polished than hailburton offensively and has the total package. if his 3 pointer percentage said 35% or something is the debate close?

Hailburton is less of a gamble can still be a playmaker, defend and hit a spot up jumper sure his biggest advantage is the 40% shooting from 3 and defense but he is not a scorer type of player though, those shots he takes are slow set shot releases over small college guards. if he had a different looking jumper and was more scorer minded from from the perimeter id be all over him pause. He's basically a line driver that can his a spot up shot id aim for more than that with a top 3 pick. but id gladly take him outside of the top 3.

In what areas is Lamelo more polished?

Hailburton is a driver with passing on his mind and shoots mostly when he has too sometimes when FORCED too dont be blind spotted by highlight videos. he reminds me of lonzo ball which is still a good player imo. idk where these SGA comparsons come from just because his sophmore stat numbers are comparable to SGA rookie numbers. SGA shot didnt look anything like that either he had a slowish jumper but the shooting motion and release had no flaws.

Lamelo is a playmaking shot creator that can score 1 on 1 from the perimeter as well as score around the rim (needs to get stronger here), can score off the pull up in the midrange, has deep but inconsistent range and still an elite playmaker. He has his shooting flaws that could use a tweak too but he has more in the arsenal on offense than burton does. im not saying he's more efficient he's simply a more versatile player.

[DOT]

idk where these SGA comparsons come from just because his sophmore stat numbers are comparable to SGA rookie numbers. SGA shot didnt look anything like that either he had a slowish jumper but the shooting motion and release had no flaws.

Honestly, the SGA comparison was completely statistical, nothing to do with stylistic

He's much more Lonzo than SGA, but more of the way I think Lonzo was supposed to be than what he's been so far

[Fat]

idk where these SGA comparsons come from just because his sophmore stat numbers are comparable to SGA rookie numbers. SGA shot didnt look anything like that either he had a slowish jumper but the shooting motion and release had no flaws.

Honestly, the SGA comparison was completely statistical, nothing to do with stylistic

He's much more Lonzo than SGA, but more of the way I think Lonzo was supposed to be than what he's been so far

that is my comparison as well but a better lonzo. Which is still the best point guard the knicks would of come by in a long time. I'll be curious on his jumper until i actually see him in the NBA with it. its a difference taking the time to shoot over college kids vs NBA players who can match your size. the most encouraging part is he's not reluctant to take deep shots and has the confidence to make them.

[HEZI]

slightly? to each his own. he's 2 steps ahead with the IQ imo

When was the last the time the knicks had a point guard that wants the ball..can create his shot on the perimeter + can be an elite playmaker and has the handles? He is more polished than hailburton offensively and has the total package. if his 3 pointer percentage said 35% or something is the debate close?

Hailburton is less of a gamble can still be a playmaker, defend and hit a spot up jumper sure his biggest advantage is the 40% shooting from 3 and defense but he is not a scorer type of player though, those shots he takes are slow set shot releases over small college guards. if he had a different looking jumper and was more scorer minded from from the perimeter id be all over him pause. He's basically a line driver that can his a spot up shot id aim for more than that with a top 3 pick. but id gladly take him outside of the top 3.

In what areas is Lamelo more polished?

Hailburton is a driver with passing on his mind and shoots mostly when he has too sometimes when FORCED too dont be blind spotted by highlight videos. he reminds me of lonzo ball which is still a good player imo. idk where these SGA comparsons come from just because his sophmore stat numbers are comparable to SGA rookie numbers. SGA shot didnt look anything like that either he had a slowish jumper but the shooting motion and release had no flaws.

Lamelo is a playmaking shot creator that can score 1 on 1 from the perimeter as well as score around the rim (needs to get stronger here), can score off the pull up in the midrange, has deep but inconsistent range and still an elite playmaker. He has his shooting flaws that could use a tweak too but he has more in the arsenal on offense than burton does. im not saying he's more efficient he's simply a more versatile player.

You still didnt answer the question though.

As far as I can tell the only thing more polished in Lamelos game is his ball handling. Nothing else.

[E-Balla]

He's actually remarkably similar to SGA statistically. Pretty much has him beat in all basic stats, and is much more efficient to boot. Just launches a ton more threes

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=tyrese-haliburton--shai-gilgeous-alexander

Only major difference in SGA's favor is the massive gap in FT rate. He's not even that much older than SGA was either. So the question is, how high would you take an SGA with a better jumper?

Depends how much faith do you have in him to live up to a SGA type of player their college stats might look similar but SGA is transforming quickly. Burton the better college shooter, SGA had a better form that looked more translatable even if it was a little slow. We now see him showing off his abilities creating on the perimeter and splashing step back 3’s. I don’t really see that with burton I think his mindset is more similar to lonzo balls mostly taking his shots when the defense gives you it.

Hail is a very unselfish player almost to a fault, he prefers to run the offense through his teammates.

Yeah, that's why I have a hard time putting him in the top 3, even though I'm not a huge LaMelo fan

I just don't know if I see the scoring potential that we need. I think he'd be an excellent fit next to RJ, provides him with good spacing and is a good playmaker in his own right, but he's not gonna carry an offense

We don't need someone that's gonna carry an offense though. We need someone to fit next to RJ and Mitch and a great defender/passer/shooter/off ball finisher is exactly what we need.

[nbakid123]

LaMelo can possibly fill all holes

[ADeP7]

Fred Van fleet
RJ Barrett
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
James Wiseman

You think randle fits well next to wiseman ?

[Fat]

my top 5 board

1-Edwards
2-Wiseman
3-Lamelo
4-Mcdaniels
5-Hailburton

[robillionaire]

I like Haliburton but not with a top 5 pick. I’m good if we land 6-10 though

[3toheadmelo]

Fred Van fleet
RJ Barrett
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
James Wiseman

You think randle fits well next to wiseman ?

Yes