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[spree2kawhi]

Do you know how bad Reddish was to start the season?

Knicks would have planted him at the end of the bench.

Knox was trash his rookie year and started 70 games and played big minutes..

show me the team that plays young players big minutes at the end of their 2ndnyear going into 3rd who is trash...

Teams typically do not stick with young players who dont produce

We aren’t even trying during his 2nd season. He plays minutes to be a floor spacer and that’s it.

That’s how you help ppl take the next step in their 2nd season?

We give guys like Frank and Dotson DNP CDS.

Either you believe in going through growing pains or you want instant gratification.

Absolutely true.

Knox is being used the wrong way. He needs the ball in his hands a little more. He's obviously not merely a spot up shooter so the coaches are messing with his rhythm.

And while Frank didn't show the ability to average something around 13 ppg, he did improve on his mentality on the court. With all the criticism he gets for his shooting, he's not even close to being the worst shooter we have, neither on the team overall nor in the starting 5. In a starting five of Payton, Frank, RJ, Randle, Mitch, he would even be the best outside shooter while providing what's by far the best defense of that bunch.

Meanwhile our prized top scorer has literally been the single worst three point shooter in the game this year.

[digitaldropoff]

I wish we were the hawks. they play all the kids big minutes. no "earn it" bs. just flat out play them and see whos good and who is not.

Cameron and Hunter are rookies. We dont have a FRP rookie with little minutes this season.

Knox has played big minutes as a rookie and didnt show much evolution. He regressed this season.

We cant compare ourselves with Atlanta. They have a great young core.

I don't think his sentiment that NY should be like the Hawks based off their roster....I'm guessing he just likes the idea of seeing only young guys on the floor getting big minutes consistently. Of course ATL has way more talent than the Knicks, but there's lots of young guys on the bench or get jerked around. It would be better for their development to play more and it would secure a better shot at an even higher draft pick. At least that's what I took from the statement.

[dakomish23]

Knox was trash his rookie year and started 70 games and played big minutes..

show me the team that plays young players big minutes at the end of their 2ndnyear going into 3rd who is trash...

Teams typically do not stick with young players who dont produce

We aren’t even trying during his 2nd season. He plays minutes to be a floor spacer and that’s it.

That’s how you help ppl take the next step in their 2nd season?

We give guys like Frank and Dotson DNP CDS.

Either you believe in going through growing pains or you want instant gratification.

Growing pains are only worth it if the player shows something worth growing..

No player sucks for 3 yesrs and then all of sudden turns it on and becomes a good player..

Frank has shown zero in 3 years..

and can we stop with dotson is a young player, Portis and Payton are younger than him, randle is the same age, are those 3 considered young players?

People are so obsessed with building the "right way" the right way is getting stars, it is the only way you build a title contender in the nba. Whether is draft, trades or free agency, you dont develop stars, you know a star right away

All this screams is instant gratification. I want production now or you’re trash. You don’t want to rebuild so you shouldn’t even care about this topic.

Ppl like you would have benched Ingram after his rookie year. You would have traded Trae after his horrific first few months. Gimme crumbs now instead of waiting for something to bake. You would have been dying to play scrubs over them.

Congratulations. You’ve found the perfect organization for your ridiculously short term approach.

Let’s see what your takes are if someone who actually wants to rebuild takes charge. Let me see all this outrage when they play the kids through the growing pains. Let me see you defend the instant gratification when the Knicks are not doing it.

[Knicksfan1992]

We aren’t even trying during his 2nd season. He plays minutes to be a floor spacer and that’s it.

That’s how you help ppl take the next step in their 2nd season?

We give guys like Frank and Dotson DNP CDS.

Either you believe in going through growing pains or you want instant gratification.

Growing pains are only worth it if the player shows something worth growing..

No player sucks for 3 yesrs and then all of sudden turns it on and becomes a good player..

Frank has shown zero in 3 years..

and can we stop with dotson is a young player, Portis and Payton are younger than him, randle is the same age, are those 3 considered young players?

People are so obsessed with building the "right way" the right way is getting stars, it is the only way you build a title contender in the nba. Whether is draft, trades or free agency, you dont develop stars, you know a star right away

All this screams is instant gratification. I want production now or you’re trash. You don’t want to rebuild so you shouldn’t even care about this topic.

Ppl like you would have benched Ingram after his rookie year. You would have traded Trae after his horrific first few months. Gimme crumbs now instead of waiting for something to bake. You would have been dying to play scrubs over them.

Congratulations. You’ve found the perfect organization for your ridiculously short term approach.

Let’s see what your takes are if someone who actually wants to rebuild takes charge. Let me see all this outrage when they play the kids through the growing pains. Let me see you defend the instant gratification when the Knicks are not doing it.

Comparing Ingram and Trae to Knox is something...

[nyknicks8016]

We aren’t even trying during his 2nd season. He plays minutes to be a floor spacer and that’s it.

That’s how you help ppl take the next step in their 2nd season?

We give guys like Frank and Dotson DNP CDS.

Either you believe in going through growing pains or you want instant gratification.

Growing pains are only worth it if the player shows something worth growing..

No player sucks for 3 yesrs and then all of sudden turns it on and becomes a good player..

Frank has shown zero in 3 years..

and can we stop with dotson is a young player, Portis and Payton are younger than him, randle is the same age, are those 3 considered young players?

People are so obsessed with building the "right way" the right way is getting stars, it is the only way you build a title contender in the nba. Whether is draft, trades or free agency, you dont develop stars, you know a star right away

All this screams is instant gratification. I want production now or you’re trash. You don’t want to rebuild so you shouldn’t even care about this topic.

Ppl like you would have benched Ingram after his rookie year. You would have traded Trae after his horrific first few months. Gimme crumbs now instead of waiting for something to bake. You would have been dying to play scrubs over them.

Congratulations. You’ve found the perfect organization for your ridiculously short term approach.

Let’s see what your takes are if someone who actually wants to rebuild takes charge. Let me see all this outrage when they play the kids through the growing pains. Let me see you defend the instant gratification when the Knicks are not doing it.

Brandon ingram by his 2nd year was 17 and 5 at 47%..

It is not instant gratification, it is about showing somethint on the court, no star player plays like dog **** for 2 or 3 years and then becomes a star..

Continuously playing bad players is not rebuilding, it is not developing, sometimes players just are not very good...

[Richard4444]

I would rather see the inefficient Knox and even Iggy and Wooten in the team. But I fear that an instant booty of Ellington and Portis are not a good move among agents and players. The players are vets and need playing time to get another contract.

Dotson, Trier, Frank and Dennis playing time are a different issue. Their contracts are ending. If we dont get a really cheap extension, they have to go. Frank is a backup point guard right now. If we pick a PG in the draft, we are going to need a vet or vetish point guard.

[nyknicks8016]

And where did i say give up on a player durong their rookie year? where did i say give up on knox?

I simply said Knox should not play more minutes until he proves he can play those minutes..playing knox 35 minutes a night right now does nothing for his development

[HEZI]

Miles Bridges has been balling

[SelbyCobra]

Bomani's tweet about the Garnett/Rider/MJ story is one of my recent favorites.

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[cgmw]

And where did i say give up on a player durong their rookie year? where did i say give up on knox?

I simply said Knox should not play more minutes until he proves he can play those minutes..playing knox 35 minutes a night right now does nothing for his development

This is wrong on so many levels.

Firs of all, he “earned it” by becoming our lotto selection last year. Period. End of story. Lotto picks don’t need to “earn” sh*t, especially on a rebuilding team. They already earned it by getting drafted.

Secondly. 35 minutes only helps if it’s within a system with a defined role surrounded by good chemistry.

Miller has a lame duck system in its infancy that’s about to be killed. Knox has no role or chemistry. 35 minutes is idiotic and a waste of time.

Empty minutes are an idiotic solution to a nuanced problem. Want results from Knox? Bench Julius Randle, feature RJ at SF. Let Knox spread the floor, push tempo with downhill drives off the rebound, and most importantly promote the narrative that Knox, RJ, Mitch, Dennis, and Frank the undisputed central focus of our franchise.

[Cookies4Life]

And where did i say give up on a player durong their rookie year? where did i say give up on knox?

I simply said Knox should not play more minutes until he proves he can play those minutes..playing knox 35 minutes a night right now does nothing for his development

This is wrong on so many levels.

Firs of all, he “earned it” by becoming our lotto selection last year. Period. End of story. Lotto picks don’t need to “earn” sh*t, especially on a rebuilding team. They already earned it by getting drafted.

Secondly. 35 minutes only helps if it’s within a system with a defined role surrounded by good chemistry.

Miller has a lame duck system in its infancy that’s about to be killed. Knox has no role or chemistry. 35 minutes is idiotic and a waste of time.

Empty minutes are an idiotic solution to a nuanced problem. Want results from Knox? Bench Julius Randle, feature RJ at SF. Let Knox spread the floor, push tempo with downhill drives off the rebound, and most importantly promote the narrative that Knox, RJ, Mitch, Dennis, and Frank the undisputed central focus of our franchise.

Good post. If this team was consistently making it into the playoffs, than clearly the young players wouldn't take the priority and it would seem more tolerable if they received limited minutes/occasional DNP's.

But THIS team has been purposely tanking for 3 seasons now with the intention of accruing as much talent as possible in the draft. The guys we signed in the offseason have been around for 6+ seasons so clearly their games should be more polished at this juncture in comparison to our rookie/2nd/3rd year players.

The real issue is all these "vets" are good enough to start over the kids but they don't move the needle whatsoever as far as wins are concerned. Since this team continues to tank- whether purposely or not- they need to be more decisive on how they're developing the young kids. Aside from their games requiring a lot of development, they need to build their confidence and overall psyche to maximize the possibility for any of them taking the next step in their progression as players.

[cgmw]

And where did i say give up on a player durong their rookie year? where did i say give up on knox?

I simply said Knox should not play more minutes until he proves he can play those minutes..playing knox 35 minutes a night right now does nothing for his development

This is wrong on so many levels.

Firs of all, he “earned it” by becoming our lotto selection last year. Period. End of story. Lotto picks don’t need to “earn” sh*t, especially on a rebuilding team. They already earned it by getting drafted.

Secondly. 35 minutes only helps if it’s within a system with a defined role surrounded by good chemistry.

Miller has a lame duck system in its infancy that’s about to be killed. Knox has no role or chemistry. 35 minutes is idiotic and a waste of time.

Empty minutes are an idiotic solution to a nuanced problem. Want results from Knox? Bench Julius Randle, feature RJ at SF. Let Knox spread the floor, push tempo with downhill drives off the rebound, and most importantly promote the narrative that Knox, RJ, Mitch, Dennis, and Frank the undisputed central focus of our franchise.

Good post. If this team was consistently making it into the playoffs, than clearly the young players wouldn't take the priority and it would seem more tolerable if they received limited minutes/occasional DNP's.

But THIS team has been purposely tanking for 3 seasons now with the intention of accruing as much talent as possible in the draft. The guys we signed in the offseason have been around for 6+ seasons so clearly their games should be more polished at this juncture in comparison to our rookie/2nd/3rd year players.

The real issue is all these "vets" are good enough to start over the kids but they don't move the needle whatsoever as far as wins are concerned. Since this team continues to tank- whether purposely or not- they need to be more decisive on how they're developing the young kids. Aside from their games requiring a lot of development, they need to build their confidence and overall psyche to maximize the possibility for any of them taking the next step in their progression as players.

To be fair, the “real issue” is Jim Dolan and the inherent pressure he puts on empty suit pawns to do dumb sh*t like spend $70mm on a fake hustle playoff run.

[Gravy]

While we're building around Frank, Dennis and Knox lets get Anthony Bennett and Dragan Bender too. Stanley Johnson should be available.

[BKlutch]

Good law school friend of mine is a Sixers season tickets holder and is very down on the team. Embiid is too immature. Brown won't run PnRs in the half court. If Simmons is not running PnRs, he's useless. Yada yada. Totally frustrated with his team.

But Embiid just announced he is the best player in the NBA. How could the best player be immature?

[HarthorneWingo]

Good law school friend of mine is a Sixers season tickets holder and is very down on the team. Embiid is too immature. Brown won't run PnRs in the half court. If Simmons is not running PnRs, he's useless. Yada yada. Totally frustrated with his team.

But Embiid just announced he is the best player in the NBA. How could the best player be immature?

Ha, I just saw. Time for a little cutting and pasting.

[iLLmatic860]

Sad but true lol

[Nyk88]

Sad but true lol

Eh, I’d throw in Mitchell Robinson. He’s better this year than last year.

Wasn’t Spencer Dinwiddie better last year than this year?

[Nyk88]

Good law school friend of mine is a Sixers season tickets holder and is very down on the team. Embiid is too immature. Brown won't run PnRs in the half court. If Simmons is not running PnRs, he's useless. Yada yada. Totally frustrated with his team.

But Embiid just announced he is the best player in the NBA. How could the best player be immature?

I’ve noticed things go down hill for players when they make statements like these. I’ll never forget Marburys downfall after announcing he’s the best PG in the NBA.

[BKlutch]

Good law school friend of mine is a Sixers season tickets holder and is very down on the team. Embiid is too immature. Brown won't run PnRs in the half court. If Simmons is not running PnRs, he's useless. Yada yada. Totally frustrated with his team.

But Embiid just announced he is the best player in the NBA. How could the best player be immature?

I’ve noticed things go down hill for players when they make statements like these. I’ll never forget Marburys downfall after announcing he’s the best PG in the NBA.

The really best players just show what they can do every game. Marbury and Embiid each were/are so talented, but not without certain issues. For example, there has been talk that Philly would trade Embiid to build around Simmons. Maybe things go downhill because needing to "be the best" is more important than their game.

[Nyk88]

But Embiid just announced he is the best player in the NBA. How could the best player be immature?

I’ve noticed things go down hill for players when they make statements like these. I’ll never forget Marburys downfall after announcing he’s the best PG in the NBA.

The really best players just show what they can do every game. Marbury and Embiid each were/are so talented, but not without certain issues. For example, there has been talk that Philly would trade Embiid to build around Simmons. Maybe things go downhill because needing to "be the best" is more important than their game.

I agree 100%, the timing of the statement shortly after the “trade Embid” rumors/boos in his own home makes it seem like a rather insecure statement to make. I wonder if animosity is starting to settle in towards Simmons because Philly seems to favor him more.