Tom Thibodeau To The Knicks 90% Likely!

[NYKAL]

I'd still prefer Thibs as a defensive coordinator to a different head coach, but oh well.

Other than his Chicago team that was FULL of defensive minded players (young Taj, Butler, Noah, ect), he's been at the bottom of the barrel defensively. This team has bigger vagina's than Towns when it comes to defense and being soft. He will break their spirits before making them good defenders.

[thebuzzardman]

I'd still prefer Thibs as a defensive coordinator to a different head coach, but oh well.

Other than his Chicago team that was FULL of defensive minded players (young Taj, Butler, Noah, ect), he's been at the bottom of the barrel defensively. This team has bigger vagina's than Towns when it comes to defense and being soft. He will break their spirits before making them good defenders.

The Twolves had a decent defensive rating at some point.

The players on this team who don't play defense and are soft can be sent packing. I'd like to assume that if Rose wants Thibs, he's also prepared to provide him with players that fit him.

There are lots of ways this could be decent and lots of ways it could be bad.

It's not about just the coach. It's about the coach and a competent FO and better yet, a competent FO that's in sync with the coach.

I mean, hey, lets chase a more modern coach like D'Antoni. Knicks never look into guys like that. Oh, they did.

Why is that illustrative? Because the team didn't give him enough talent, so coaching is only going to go so far, and then they didn't provide him with the kinds of players that execute his kind of style anyway.

I mean, D'Antoni looks good in Houston not because he's a genius, but mainly because he has Harden. Then again, D'Antoni at least knows how he wants to play with Harden and the FO supports it. Once he got Westbrook as well, then D'Antoni gets rid of Capella as with Westbrook, outside shooting took a bit of a hit and D'Antoni was committed to shooting existing at least 4 positions. If Westbrook/Capella, it would have been 3.

I don't think Thibs is a savior, but he's been a good defensive coach with a strong attention to detail. 3 point shooting is a concern.

None of it matters, Thibs, Messina, Becky Hammond, Stackhouse, whatever the f*cking flavor of the month is, if the FO can't actually evaluate and assemble talent.

[seren]

This is everything they said would happen in Minny. He even brought in his old Bulls to make it happen. It didn't happen.

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Pre and post Minnesota record please.

Pre and post Minnesota talent, please.

LOL so you are saying Minnesota significantly reduced their talent level after Thibs left? How so?

[bearadonisdna]

TWolves were a top 3 seed when Butler was healthy and had a top 5 offense. It all cratered when Jimmy hated Wiggins and KAT work ethic but Thibs had those guys balling out. I'm not a big Thibs guy because I think he wears on people and plays guys too high of a minute load but he's been successful every time he's been given a fair shot with a healthy roster.

Also i think signing derrick rose put a nail in the coffin on jimmy's stint there.
There was tension between the 2 in chicago and to me its likely the main reason why jimmy decided to leave.

Kyrie also demanded his trade after The cavs picked up derrick rose. That instance is harder to project or decipher but very similar to the minnesota situation.

[bearadonisdna]

TWolves were a top 3 seed when Butler was healthy and had a top 5 offense. It all cratered when Jimmy hated Wiggins and KAT work ethic but Thibs had those guys balling out. I'm not a big Thibs guy because I think he wears on people and plays guys too high of a minute load but he's been successful every time he's been given a fair shot with a healthy roster.

Also i think signing derrick rose put a nail in the coffin on jimmy's stint there.
There was tension between the 2 in chicago and to me its likely the main reason why jimmy decided to leave.

Kyrie also demanded his trade after The cavs picked up derrick rose. That instance is harder to project or decipher but very similar to the minnesota situation.

[2018C3]

I did not Vote:

I'm a Bulls fan who would welcome back Thibs with open arms. He is a good coach, and if you land him consider yourself lucky.

From his experiance with the Bulls as a coach only, The guy may be the hardest worker in the NBA. He works very hard himself, and also demands alot form his players. He can sometimes be alittle set in his ways, but tends to get the best out of his players. When he coached the Bulls, there are not too many guys who shined brighter once they were traded away. Thibs was very aware of his rosters talents, and got results from who ever he was given,

If your new GM plugs in the right peices, Thibs could be very succesful. I would not worry about this new era so much, as Thibs is a defensive coach first. I'm sure he has noticed trends, and already has idea's in his head on how to limit the three point chuck.

Give him the right guys in todays enviroment (3 and D), and I have no doubt he is capable of acheiving success.

[prophet_of_rage]

Pre and post Minnesota record please.

Pre and post Minnesota talent, please.

LOL so you are saying Minnesota significantly reduced their talent level after Thibs left? How so?

They lost Butler, Rose and Gibson and played more rookies. Yes, their proven talent decreased.

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[prophet_of_rage]

Pre and post Minnesota talent, please.

LOL so you are saying Minnesota significantly reduced their talent level after Thibs left? How so?

They lost Butler, Rose and Gibson and played more rookies. Yes, their proven talent decreased.

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They also traded Covington this year.

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[Sark]

I just hope he's ok with putting 50 to 60 loss seasons on his record for a few years.

[Marty McFly]

I wanted Thibs, before we hired Mike D'Antoni. talked about here ten years ago. at least it's not Mark Jackson.

[Adelheid]

I did not Vote:

I'm a Bulls fan who would welcome back Thibs with open arms. He is a good coach, and if you land him consider yourself lucky.

From his experiance with the Bulls as a coach only, The guy may be the hardest worker in the NBA. He works very hard himself, and also demands alot form his players. He can sometimes be alittle set in his ways, but tends to get the best out of his players. When he coached the Bulls, there are not too many guys who shined brighter once they were traded away. Thibs was very aware of his rosters talents, and got results from who ever he was given,

If your new GM plugs in the right peices, Thibs could be very succesful. I would not worry about this new era so much, as Thibs is a defensive coach first. I'm sure he has noticed trends, and already has idea's in his head on how to limit the three point chuck.

Give him the right guys in todays enviroment (3 and D), and I have no doubt he is capable of acheiving success.

During his stint in CHI and MIN, it is pretty easy to tell that he truly demands alot from the players. First concern is playing time and rotation. He can break his favorite guys just like that. He also needs good assistant coaches (who doesnt?) to help him out with schemes.

[YouthMovement]

I'd still prefer Thibs as a defensive coordinator to a different head coach, but oh well.

Other than his Chicago team that was FULL of defensive minded players (young Taj, Butler, Noah, ect), he's been at the bottom of the barrel defensively. This team has bigger vagina's than Towns when it comes to defense and being soft. He will break their spirits before making them good defenders.

The Twolves had a decent defensive rating at some point.

The players on this team who don't play defense and are soft can be sent packing. I'd like to assume that if Rose wants Thibs, he's also prepared to provide him with players that fit him.

There are lots of ways this could be decent and lots of ways it could be bad.

It's not about just the coach. It's about the coach and a competent FO and better yet, a competent FO that's in sync with the coach.

I mean, hey, lets chase a more modern coach like D'Antoni. Knicks never look into guys like that. Oh, they did.

Why is that illustrative? Because the team didn't give him enough talent, so coaching is only going to go so far, and then they didn't provide him with the kinds of players that execute his kind of style anyway.

I mean, D'Antoni looks good in Houston not because he's a genius, but mainly because he has Harden. Then again, D'Antoni at least knows how he wants to play with Harden and the FO supports it. Once he got Westbrook as well, then D'Antoni gets rid of Capella as with Westbrook, outside shooting took a bit of a hit and D'Antoni was committed to shooting existing at least 4 positions. If Westbrook/Capella, it would have been 3.

I don't think Thibs is a savior, but he's been a good defensive coach with a strong attention to detail. 3 point shooting is a concern.

None of it matters, Thibs, Messina, Becky Hammond, Stackhouse, whatever the f*cking flavor of the month is, if the FO can't actually evaluate and assemble talent.

/thread

[seren]

Pre and post Minnesota talent, please.

LOL so you are saying Minnesota significantly reduced their talent level after Thibs left? How so?

They lost Butler, Rose and Gibson and played more rookies. Yes, their proven talent decreased.

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He has 31 wins before those guys were in. If anything current situation in Minnesota shows there is not much you can do with the talent that they have. I know we are looking for a miracle coach but none exists. Thibs does the best with what he has. He is also a no nonsense coach who knows exactly what he wants from his players.

[seren]

I'd still prefer Thibs as a defensive coordinator to a different head coach, but oh well.

Other than his Chicago team that was FULL of defensive minded players (young Taj, Butler, Noah, ect), he's been at the bottom of the barrel defensively. This team has bigger vagina's than Towns when it comes to defense and being soft. He will break their spirits before making them good defenders.

The Twolves had a decent defensive rating at some point.

The players on this team who don't play defense and are soft can be sent packing. I'd like to assume that if Rose wants Thibs, he's also prepared to provide him with players that fit him.

There are lots of ways this could be decent and lots of ways it could be bad.

It's not about just the coach. It's about the coach and a competent FO and better yet, a competent FO that's in sync with the coach.

I mean, hey, lets chase a more modern coach like D'Antoni. Knicks never look into guys like that. Oh, they did.

Why is that illustrative? Because the team didn't give him enough talent, so coaching is only going to go so far, and then they didn't provide him with the kinds of players that execute his kind of style anyway.

I mean, D'Antoni looks good in Houston not because he's a genius, but mainly because he has Harden. Then again, D'Antoni at least knows how he wants to play with Harden and the FO supports it. Once he got Westbrook as well, then D'Antoni gets rid of Capella as with Westbrook, outside shooting took a bit of a hit and D'Antoni was committed to shooting existing at least 4 positions. If Westbrook/Capella, it would have been 3.

I don't think Thibs is a savior, but he's been a good defensive coach with a strong attention to detail. 3 point shooting is a concern.

None of it matters, Thibs, Messina, Becky Hammond, Stackhouse, whatever the f*cking flavor of the month is, if the FO can't actually evaluate and assemble talent.

Yes pretty much. People are expecting miracles from coaches. There is no savior coach in this league.

[2018C3]

To be honest, I have always considered the Knicks a rival, and a team I like to root against.

Both of are organizations are now in the toilet, and obvious changes need to made. What bothers me is your team is actively making changes, and my favorite team has not yet took the same step.

To continue my honesty, I think you guys have recently made positive moves starting with a new GM. I'm actually a little jealous. If you get Thibs also, I will be even more so.

[Jeff Van Gully]

To be honest, I have always considered the Knicks a rival, and a team I like to root against.

Both of are organizations are now in the toilet, and obvious changes need to made. What bothers me is your team is actively making changes, and my favorite team has not yet took the same step.

To continue my honesty, I think you guys have recently made positive moves starting with a new GM. I'm actually a little jealous. If yoiu get Thibs also, I will be even more so.

respect.

what do you miss about thibs? love getting bulls fan perspective. so far the wolves fans who have come here have been laughing at the idea.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Other than his Chicago team that was FULL of defensive minded players (young Taj, Butler, Noah, ect), he's been at the bottom of the barrel defensively. This team has bigger vagina's than Towns when it comes to defense and being soft. He will break their spirits before making them good defenders.

The Twolves had a decent defensive rating at some point.

The players on this team who don't play defense and are soft can be sent packing. I'd like to assume that if Rose wants Thibs, he's also prepared to provide him with players that fit him.

There are lots of ways this could be decent and lots of ways it could be bad.

It's not about just the coach. It's about the coach and a competent FO and better yet, a competent FO that's in sync with the coach.

I mean, hey, lets chase a more modern coach like D'Antoni. Knicks never look into guys like that. Oh, they did.

Why is that illustrative? Because the team didn't give him enough talent, so coaching is only going to go so far, and then they didn't provide him with the kinds of players that execute his kind of style anyway.

I mean, D'Antoni looks good in Houston not because he's a genius, but mainly because he has Harden. Then again, D'Antoni at least knows how he wants to play with Harden and the FO supports it. Once he got Westbrook as well, then D'Antoni gets rid of Capella as with Westbrook, outside shooting took a bit of a hit and D'Antoni was committed to shooting existing at least 4 positions. If Westbrook/Capella, it would have been 3.

I don't think Thibs is a savior, but he's been a good defensive coach with a strong attention to detail. 3 point shooting is a concern.

None of it matters, Thibs, Messina, Becky Hammond, Stackhouse, whatever the f*cking flavor of the month is, if the FO can't actually evaluate and assemble talent.

Yes pretty much. People are expecting miracles from coaches. There is no savior coach in this league.

thibs could def bring back the true knicks identity of toughness and defense, which i'd love. but he has to make sure he understands today's game too. if he can balance it, i can get behind it.

[thebuzzardman]

To be honest, I have always considered the Knicks a rival, and a team I like to root against.

Both of are organizations are now in the toilet, and obvious changes need to made. What bothers me is your team is actively making changes, and my favorite team has not yet took the same step.

To continue my honesty, I think you guys have recently made positive moves starting with a new GM. I'm actually a little jealous. If you get Thibs also, I will be even more so.

Rose will be POBO - president of basketball operations, not a GM.

It's a move, but it's still a "who knows" move, because he's never been an NBA executive at all. So who he hires as GM is key. That's kind of the position I think most posters are taking right now. At least I am.

Thanks for the kinds words though.

[thebuzzardman]

Since we are the Knicks and go round in circles:

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Made when the Knicks were looking for a new coach, 3 coaches ago

[thebuzzardman]

Here is Coach Nick's take on how ICE works

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Any thoughts on if it's still a viable defense? I mean, 5 years ago isn't THAT long ago, but there is a still more 3 point shooting. Meaning, I wonder if it still works percentage wise.