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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#181 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:22 am

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Can you give us the bullet points?


There's a lot. But some keys:
. We're not well prepared here and have some bad indicators that could make the impact worse (obesity rate for example).

- He thinks this thing could drag on for a while (months). He said the numbers are down in places but could pick back up when quarantines end.

- Fairly commonly known at this point but disputed a little...Masks aren't very helpful unless you're sick and trying to limit spread. Vitamins even through an IV probably won't help much.

- The warm weather doesn't seem likely to mitigate the spread.

- Our issues are going to be with resources, our culture is built on getting you what you want when you need it but we don't keep stockpiles. Had me stockpiled the N95 masks or prescriptions early, we wouldn't be at the mercy of other countries' production cycles. As it is we don't have the equipment necessary to mass produce resources to need. (As a personal bias related aside, Puerto Rico used to be our haven to produce prescription drugs and there's been some talk of bringing back that industry through incentives...we could use the economic boost for damned sure).

- I'm leaving out some random convos that pop up of course. But one that stood out to me was related to an illness that's been effecting deer. If it were to mutate and start effecting humans, likely via our hunting community, the affects sound pretty awful (and I work at a medical library fam).

- There's more that I can't recall, it's a really good interview. That's all the practical stuff. The biggest thing to me is that we're not prepared for it if it gets bad. The lack of resources and fast spread could really overtake our healthcare if people don't take precautions (and honestly by people I mean industry, businesses need to keep their workers home even if that means paid sick leave if we're buying what this man is selling...I do tbh). Be cautious is the main message...err on the safe side.


Thanks for the recap

Yeah, I think the lack of foresight is the real stressor now. I have food and water that can last 2-3 months, but I have to pay bills to pay and if it isn't the illness itself, the economic effect will hurt us all too.

That guy I spoke to yesterday was just laughing it all off. Tired of so many asshats whose whole political reality is conspiratorial fantasies driven by a hatred of some nebulous elite they can't really identify. I told him this may be 10X more potent than the flu and he just laughed it off as a scam. Very Trumpy.

The deer could be a vector. They were big lyme carriers. We have deer pop explosions. There are wild boar explosions on the Canadian border. There's a lot of problems with the wildlife intersecting developed areas.
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#182 » by aq_ua » Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:27 am

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Ebola is named after a river in Africa
MERS stands for Middle East Respiratory Syndrome

Some of the others you mentioned are subtypes of previously identified viruses, like H1N1 being a subtype of the Spanish Flu.

Here are a few more examples:

West Nile
Lyme (named after a town in Connecticut)
Spanish flu
German measles
Norovirus (named after Norwalk, Ohio)
St. Louis encephalitis
Lassa fever (named after a town in Nigeria)
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Ebola (named after a river in Africa)
Legionnaires' disease (named after the American Legion)

I thought the world had moved on from the convention given the politics involved. Even Ebola is a river to disassociate from any particular location or country.

I don't think the scientific community signed on to that.

This is currently on the CDC's website as the naming convention for influenza strains

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Going by that standard, CDC refers to this disease as CoVID-19. The only place “Chinese Coronavirus” appears to be a term is in a particular political sphere. I’m not sure why you would seek to legitimize that.
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#183 » by seren » Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:52 am

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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:2 people at my office have been confirmed with corona. Lucky for me, They don't work on my floor but they're shutting down the entire building for the next two days.
go get yourself checked, you can assume everything they touched like the doorknobs, push doors could be contaminated.


There is no mechanism to be checked. Best is to quarantine yourself for the next two weeks and hope for the best.
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#184 » by GONYK » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:06 am

aq_ua wrote:
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aq_ua wrote:I thought the world had moved on from the convention given the politics involved. Even Ebola is a river to disassociate from any particular location or country.

I don't think the scientific community signed on to that.

This is currently on the CDC's website as the naming convention for influenza strains

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Going by that standard, CDC refers to this disease as CoVID-19. The only place “Chinese Coronavirus” appears to be a term is in a particular political sphere. I’m not sure why you would seek to legitimize that.


I'm saying the Wuhan virus is the legitimate name, because that's how these things are always named in the scientific community.

Calling it COVID-19 or the coronavirus is the departure from the norm and is political name.

All three work. Use whichever one you are comfortable with.
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#185 » by aq_ua » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:13 am

GONYK wrote:
aq_ua wrote:
GONYK wrote:I don't think the scientific community signed on to that.

This is currently on the CDC's website as the naming convention for influenza strains

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Going by that standard, CDC refers to this disease as CoVID-19. The only place “Chinese Coronavirus” appears to be a term is in a particular political sphere. I’m not sure why you would seek to legitimize that.


I'm saying the Wuhan virus is the legitimate name, because that's how these things are always named in the scientific community.

Calling it COVID-19 or the coronavirus is the departure from the norm and is political name.

All three work. Use whichever one you are comfortable with.

No, Wuhan Virus is not a legitimate name. The scientific community has already decided on a name and it’s not that.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/stop-trying-make-wuhan-virus-happen/607786/
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#186 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:13 am

GONYK wrote:
aq_ua wrote:
GONYK wrote:I don't think the scientific community signed on to that.

This is currently on the CDC's website as the naming convention for influenza strains

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Going by that standard, CDC refers to this disease as CoVID-19. The only place “Chinese Coronavirus” appears to be a term is in a particular political sphere. I’m not sure why you would seek to legitimize that.


I'm saying the Wuhan virus is the legitimate name, because that's how these things are always named in the scientific community.

Calling it COVID-19 or the coronavirus is the departure from the norm and is political name.

All three work. Use whichever one you are comfortable with.


I'm going to call it Bat Soup Virus
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#187 » by aq_ua » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:19 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
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aq_ua wrote:Going by that standard, CDC refers to this disease as CoVID-19. The only place “Chinese Coronavirus” appears to be a term is in a particular political sphere. I’m not sure why you would seek to legitimize that.


I'm saying the Wuhan virus is the legitimate name, because that's how these things are always named in the scientific community.

Calling it COVID-19 or the coronavirus is the departure from the norm and is political name.

All three work. Use whichever one you are comfortable with.


I'm going to call it Bat Soup Virus

Batman might get upset about it but I approve.
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#188 » by NoLayupRule » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:37 am

my wife just told me KCRW said the entire season will be canceled for the NBA

I think she's practicing wishful thinking but anyone else hear this?
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#189 » by GONYK » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:39 am

aq_ua wrote:
GONYK wrote:
aq_ua wrote:Going by that standard, CDC refers to this disease as CoVID-19. The only place “Chinese Coronavirus” appears to be a term is in a particular political sphere. I’m not sure why you would seek to legitimize that.


I'm saying the Wuhan virus is the legitimate name, because that's how these things are always named in the scientific community.

Calling it COVID-19 or the coronavirus is the departure from the norm and is political name.

All three work. Use whichever one you are comfortable with.

No, Wuhan Virus is not a legitimate name. The scientific community has already decided on a name and it’s not that.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/stop-trying-make-wuhan-virus-happen/607786/


The entire article is basically a confirmation that calling it CoVID-19 goes against scientific convention in the name of geographic sensitivity

Defenders of the term countered both that the virus did appear first in a real place called Wuhan, and that many diseases are named after the site of a first or famous outbreak. That’s true of the viral hemorrhagic infections Ebola and Marburg, tick-borne Lyme disease, and others. But the geographic defense has to be weighed against the rhetoric that says out loud what locating the current threat to Wuhan only implies.


It was known internationally as the Wuhan virus, and used in publications like the NYT (which is not a conservative paper).

In fact, the Asia Times, which is based in Hong Kong called it the Wuhan virus as recently as last month:

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https://asiatimes.com/2020/02/how-lethal-is-the-wuhan-virus/

The American Council on Health and Science also strongly disagreed with removing Wuhan virus from the discourse and disagrees with the push to remove location indicators from the names of diseases.

This article in Science Magazine allows the science community to elaborate:

“It will certainly lead to boring names and a lot of confusion,” predicts Linfa Wang, an expert on emerging infectious diseases at the Australian Animal Health Laboratory in Geelong. “You should not take political correctness so far that in the end no one is able to distinguish these diseases,” says Christian Drosten, a virologist at the University of Bonn, Germany.

Both experts are correct. Avoiding unique names for new diseases will cause confusion. "Virus #4" is not a name that would inspire anyone to remember what it was.

And as my colleague Dr. Josh Bloom wrote previously, embracing political correctness comes with its own pitfalls: "[A] comprehensible and accurate name might provide a little incentive for countries and their citizens to pay a little more attention to public health." Fair point.

"I don’t see how it will be helpful to eliminate names like monkey pox that provide insights into natural hosts and potential sources of infection."

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/05/discovered-disease-who-has-new-rules-avoiding-offensive-names


I understand that China has expressed a sensitivity towards the term and so has the WHO, but if Lyme disease, Norovirus and every other name that came before this is not racist, neither is Wuhan.
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#190 » by Stannis » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:41 am

I might talk to my boss tomorrow and see if I can cancel my business trip to Arizona this Friday. The news has got me scared.

What do you guys think? Paranoia?

I just scared to do so because it's short notice.
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Post#191 » by aq_ua » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:45 am

GONYK wrote:
aq_ua wrote:
GONYK wrote:
I'm saying the Wuhan virus is the legitimate name, because that's how these things are always named in the scientific community.

Calling it COVID-19 or the coronavirus is the departure from the norm and is political name.

All three work. Use whichever one you are comfortable with.

No, Wuhan Virus is not a legitimate name. The scientific community has already decided on a name and it’s not that.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/stop-trying-make-wuhan-virus-happen/607786/


The entire article is basically a confirmation that calling it CoVID-19 goes against scientific convention in the name of geographic sensitivity

Defenders of the term countered both that the virus did appear first in a real place called Wuhan, and that many diseases are named after the site of a first or famous outbreak. That’s true of the viral hemorrhagic infections Ebola and Marburg, tick-borne Lyme disease, and others. But the geographic defense has to be weighed against the rhetoric that says out loud what locating the current threat to Wuhan only implies.


It was known internationally as the Wuhan virus, and used in publications like the NYT (which is not a conservative paper).

In fact, the Asia Times, which is based in Hong Kong called it the Wuhan virus as recently as last month:

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https://asiatimes.com/2020/02/how-lethal-is-the-wuhan-virus/

The American Council on Health and Science also strongly disagreed with removing Wuhan virus from the discourse and disagrees with the push to remove location indicators from the names of diseases.

This article in Science Magazine allows the science community to elaborate:

“It will certainly lead to boring names and a lot of confusion,” predicts Linfa Wang, an expert on emerging infectious diseases at the Australian Animal Health Laboratory in Geelong. “You should not take political correctness so far that in the end no one is able to distinguish these diseases,” says Christian Drosten, a virologist at the University of Bonn, Germany.

Both experts are correct. Avoiding unique names for new diseases will cause confusion. "Virus #4" is not a name that would inspire anyone to remember what it was.

And as my colleague Dr. Josh Bloom wrote previously, embracing political correctness comes with its own pitfalls: "[A] comprehensible and accurate name might provide a little incentive for countries and their citizens to pay a little more attention to public health." Fair point.

"I don’t see how it will be helpful to eliminate names like monkey pox that provide insights into natural hosts and potential sources of infection."

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/05/discovered-disease-who-has-new-rules-avoiding-offensive-names


I understand that China has expressed a sensitivity towards the term and so has the WHO, but if Lyme disease, Norovirus and every other name that came before this is not racist, neither is Wuhan.

This New York Times?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/politics/wuhan-virus.html

If you're going by scientific naming, it's Covid-19.

If you want to go by laymen vernacular, it's coronavirus.

I suppose you can use whatever terminology that you like, but it's not particularly helpful.
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#192 » by NoLayupRule » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:48 am

well its official
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#193 » by GONYK » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:48 am

NoLayupRule wrote:my wife just told me KCRW said the entire season will be canceled for the NBA

I think she's practicing wishful thinking but anyone else hear this?


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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#194 » by GONYK » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:56 am

aq_ua wrote:
GONYK wrote:
aq_ua wrote:No, Wuhan Virus is not a legitimate name. The scientific community has already decided on a name and it’s not that.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/stop-trying-make-wuhan-virus-happen/607786/


The entire article is basically a confirmation that calling it CoVID-19 goes against scientific convention in the name of geographic sensitivity

Defenders of the term countered both that the virus did appear first in a real place called Wuhan, and that many diseases are named after the site of a first or famous outbreak. That’s true of the viral hemorrhagic infections Ebola and Marburg, tick-borne Lyme disease, and others. But the geographic defense has to be weighed against the rhetoric that says out loud what locating the current threat to Wuhan only implies.


It was known internationally as the Wuhan virus, and used in publications like the NYT (which is not a conservative paper).

In fact, the Asia Times, which is based in Hong Kong called it the Wuhan virus as recently as last month:

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https://asiatimes.com/2020/02/how-lethal-is-the-wuhan-virus/

The American Council on Health and Science also strongly disagreed with removing Wuhan virus from the discourse and disagrees with the push to remove location indicators from the names of diseases.

This article in Science Magazine allows the science community to elaborate:

“It will certainly lead to boring names and a lot of confusion,” predicts Linfa Wang, an expert on emerging infectious diseases at the Australian Animal Health Laboratory in Geelong. “You should not take political correctness so far that in the end no one is able to distinguish these diseases,” says Christian Drosten, a virologist at the University of Bonn, Germany.

Both experts are correct. Avoiding unique names for new diseases will cause confusion. "Virus #4" is not a name that would inspire anyone to remember what it was.

And as my colleague Dr. Josh Bloom wrote previously, embracing political correctness comes with its own pitfalls: "[A] comprehensible and accurate name might provide a little incentive for countries and their citizens to pay a little more attention to public health." Fair point.

"I don’t see how it will be helpful to eliminate names like monkey pox that provide insights into natural hosts and potential sources of infection."

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/05/discovered-disease-who-has-new-rules-avoiding-offensive-names


I understand that China has expressed a sensitivity towards the term and so has the WHO, but if Lyme disease, Norovirus and every other name that came before this is not racist, neither is Wuhan.

This New York Times?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/politics/wuhan-virus.html

If you're going by scientific naming, it's Covid-19.

If you want to go by laymen vernacular, it's coronavirus.

I suppose you can use whatever terminology that you like, but it's not particularly helpful.



Yes. Also this New York Times

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Post#195 » by duetta » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:58 am

Tom Hanks and his wife Rita Wilson just announced that they tested positive in Australia.
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Post#196 » by duetta » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:01 am

I will be working at home for the foreseeable future, instead of on-site at the home office of the investment bank that employs me. They are instituting a company wide emergency program to protect its workers from the virus.
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Post#197 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:14 am

Stannis wrote:I might talk to my boss tomorrow and see if I can cancel my business trip to Arizona this Friday. The news has got me scared.

What do you guys think? Paranoia?

I just scared to do so because it's short notice.


Odds are you'll have the airport and the plane mostly to yourself and you'll just need to use sanitizer and watch where you put your hands. Wipe down your arm rests and seat table. Not saying don't worry, but the lack of traffic may mean the odds have dropped precipitously now
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Post#198 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:15 am

I can't believe that the NBA season might be ovah
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Post#199 » by spree8 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:55 am

Stannis wrote:I might talk to my boss tomorrow and see if I can cancel my business trip to Arizona this Friday. The news has got me scared.

What do you guys think? Paranoia?

I just scared to do so because it's short notice.



Do it. If you get fired you can always get another job... you only get one life tho.
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Post#200 » by Deeeez Knicks » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:57 am

Stannis wrote:I might talk to my boss tomorrow and see if I can cancel my business trip to Arizona this Friday. The news has got me scared.

What do you guys think? Paranoia?

I just scared to do so because it's short notice.


I flew to Toronto and back last week. Wiped seats, Arm rest, hotel room. There's still no way of avoiding everything though and its a lot worse now.

My company cancelled all travel this week and a lot of other companies have a made a coronavirus policy so probably worth at least asking if theres a policy or if you cancel /delay.

In 2 days it might be twice as bad as now the way its going.
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