2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 6) -LOTTO 8/20 DRAFT 10/16!

[3toheadmelo]

damn i didn't know Deni played with Amari, Quincy Acy, Tarik Black, Casspi, Tyler Dorsey, and Nate Wolters

thats a lot of former NBA talent.

Who was the realgm poster that LOVED Nate Wolters (was that red vines?)

Yeah Amare has been talking him up for a while now since they’re team mates.

I hated Quincy Acy tho. Flashbacks of that terrible team Phil Jackson assembled around Melo.. yikes

He still played in the league for 7 years. That is better comp then a majority of the college guys are facing on a nightly basis.

Also this stretch run for Deni could really solidify him in the top 5 or 6 of the draft. He had some real questions about his shot. And I know its 2 games but shooting 50% from 3 and 90% from the line.

If Deni can shoot it he is def in the convo with the Edwards, Ball, Hayes, and Wiseman convo.

This is wiseman









Everybody else

[mpharris36]

Yeah Amare has been talking him up for a while now since they’re team mates.

I hated Quincy Acy tho. Flashbacks of that terrible team Phil Jackson assembled around Melo.. yikes

He still played in the league for 7 years. That is better comp then a majority of the college guys are facing on a nightly basis.

Also this stretch run for Deni could really solidify him in the top 5 or 6 of the draft. He had some real questions about his shot. And I know its 2 games but shooting 50% from 3 and 90% from the line.

If Deni can shoot it he is def in the convo with the Edwards, Ball, Hayes, and Wiseman convo.

This is wiseman









Everybody else

[3toheadmelo]

He still played in the league for 7 years. That is better comp then a majority of the college guys are facing on a nightly basis.

Also this stretch run for Deni could really solidify him in the top 5 or 6 of the draft. He had some real questions about his shot. And I know its 2 games but shooting 50% from 3 and 90% from the line.

If Deni can shoot it he is def in the convo with the Edwards, Ball, Hayes, and Wiseman convo.

This is wiseman









Everybody else

That’s your opinion

[mpharris36]

This is wiseman









Everybody else

That’s your opinion

agreed, I don't think I'm alone in that opinion though.

[3toheadmelo]

That’s your opinion

agreed, I don't think I'm alone in that opinion though.

Majority of this board loved Josh Jackson and hated Tatum. So I don’t mind being in the minority again.

[HarthorneWingo]

Haliburton is my name, and fcking up motherfcking point guards is my game, Jack.

[Mecca]

I’m good on Deni. I’m not leaving this draft without a PG.

[mpharris36]

That’s your opinion

agreed, I don't think I'm alone in that opinion though.

Majority of this board loved Josh Jackson and hated Tatum. So I don’t mind being in the minority again.

I think we all congratulated you with Tatum multiple times.

I do also know a lot of people that liked Luka, that liked Fox, JJJ as well. And the draft isn't an exact science. So I think it is unfair to hold Josh Jackson over someone head when you have NBA franchises that make mistakes too.

[mpharris36]

I’m good on Deni. I’m not leaving this draft without a PG.

im not reaching for one that isn't a long term option though for me at that position that we will be clamoring to replace with a better option in a year or two.

[3toheadmelo]

agreed, I don't think I'm alone in that opinion though.

Majority of this board loved Josh Jackson and hated Tatum. So I don’t mind being in the minority again.

I think we all congratulated you with Tatum multiple times.

I do also know a lot of people that liked Luka, that liked Fox, JJJ as well. And the draft isn't an exact science. So I think it is unfair to hold Josh Jackson over someone head when you have NBA franchises that make mistakes too.

My point is that I don’t care about what is popular. Whatever is popular doesn’t mean its right. So I’m cool with being in the minority.

This whole board hated Trae Young including me. The minority who liked him were right. The majority of this board loved Mikal Bridges and he’s been mostly average. Just a few examples.

[mpharris36]

Majority of this board loved Josh Jackson and hated Tatum. So I don’t mind being in the minority again.

I think we all congratulated you with Tatum multiple times.

I do also know a lot of people that liked Luka, that liked Fox, JJJ as well. And the draft isn't an exact science. So I think it is unfair to hold Josh Jackson over someone head when you have NBA franchises that make mistakes too.

My point is that I don’t care about what is popular. Whatever is popular doesn’t mean its right. So I’m cool with being in the minority.

This whole board hated Trae Young including me. The minority who liked him were right. The majority of this board loved Mikal Bridges and he’s been mostly average. Just a few examples.

I mean Mikal Bridges is excatly what you expact out of the 9th pick (where knicks fan wanted him picked). If you get a starter/good rotational player that is a win. I wouldnn't consider that a failure. And two years into the league Mikal Bridges looks to be exactly that a really good defensive player with the potential to be an effecient scorer that doesn't need the ball. When considering who most had an issue with Kevin Knox (I think the masses were pretty correct that Mikal is a better player than Knox hands down).

And the Trae Young concerns were valid. Until he proves he can win in the NBA with his defensive deficiencies I am still skeptical of his overall impact on wins/losses.

For do you believe Trae Young supporting cast is that much worse than Luka's? I know you don't even like KP...you probaly like John Collins more than KP from what I can tell.

So considering all of that. How was one team 40-27 in a much tougher western cofernce and the mighty ATL hawks 27-40 (a worse record then our suck ass knicks) with the mighty trae young nearly dropping a legendary 30-10 a night on offense?

Hey if I'm playing fantasy basketblll give me Trae Young every day and twice on sunday. If I'm starting a team I have no interest with him as a building block.

[3toheadmelo]

I think we all congratulated you with Tatum multiple times.

I do also know a lot of people that liked Luka, that liked Fox, JJJ as well. And the draft isn't an exact science. So I think it is unfair to hold Josh Jackson over someone head when you have NBA franchises that make mistakes too.

My point is that I don’t care about what is popular. Whatever is popular doesn’t mean its right. So I’m cool with being in the minority.

This whole board hated Trae Young including me. The minority who liked him were right. The majority of this board loved Mikal Bridges and he’s been mostly average. Just a few examples.

I mean Mikal Bridges is excatly what you expact out of the 9th pick. If you get a starter/good rotational player that is a win. I wouldnn't consider that a failure. And two years into the league Mikal Bridges looks to be exactly that a really good defensive player with the potential to be an effecient scorer that doesn't need the ball. When considering who most had an issue with Kevin Knox (I think the masses were pretty correct that Mikal is a better player than Knox hands down).

And the Trae Young concerns were valid. Until he proves he can win in the NBA with his defensive deficiencies I am still skeptical of his overall impact on wins/losses.

For do you believe Trae Young supporting cast is that much worse than Luka's? I know you don't even like KP...you probaly like John Collins more than KP from what I can tell.

So considering all of that. How was one team 40-27 in a much tougher western cofernce and the mighty ATL hawks 27-40 (a worse record then our suck ass knicks) with the mighty trae young nearly dropping a legendary 30-10 a night on offense?

Hey if I'm playing fantasy basketblll give me Trae Young every day and twice on sunday. If I'm starting a team I have no interest with him as a building block.

People were hyping Mikal up like crazy and even got some Kawhi comparisons. He’s nothing more than a 3 and D player.

Hawks are like one of the youngest teams in the league so I’m pretty sure nobody was expecting them to win. Trae Young was a boom or bust player and it’s clear that he’s a not a bust and one of the best PG’s in the league. I was wrong on Trae and you were too. Nothing wrong with that. It just shows that what is popular isn’t always right.

So if only a few people like Wiseman then cool. Doesn’t affect me

[thebuzzardman]

My point is that I don’t care about what is popular. Whatever is popular doesn’t mean its right. So I’m cool with being in the minority.

This whole board hated Trae Young including me. The minority who liked him were right. The majority of this board loved Mikal Bridges and he’s been mostly average. Just a few examples.

I mean Mikal Bridges is excatly what you expact out of the 9th pick. If you get a starter/good rotational player that is a win. I wouldnn't consider that a failure. And two years into the league Mikal Bridges looks to be exactly that a really good defensive player with the potential to be an effecient scorer that doesn't need the ball. When considering who most had an issue with Kevin Knox (I think the masses were pretty correct that Mikal is a better player than Knox hands down).

And the Trae Young concerns were valid. Until he proves he can win in the NBA with his defensive deficiencies I am still skeptical of his overall impact on wins/losses.

For do you believe Trae Young supporting cast is that much worse than Luka's? I know you don't even like KP...you probaly like John Collins more than KP from what I can tell.

So considering all of that. How was one team 40-27 in a much tougher western cofernce and the mighty ATL hawks 27-40 (a worse record then our suck ass knicks) with the mighty trae young nearly dropping a legendary 30-10 a night on offense?

Hey if I'm playing fantasy basketblll give me Trae Young every day and twice on sunday. If I'm starting a team I have no interest with him as a building block.

People were hyping Mikal up like crazy and even got some Kawhi comparisons. He’s nothing more than a 3 and D player.

Hawks are like one of the youngest teams in the league so I’m pretty sure nobody was expecting them to win. Trae Young was a boom or bust player and it’s clear that he’s a not a bust and one of the best PG’s in the league. I was wrong on Trae and you were too. Nothing wrong with that. It just shows that what is popular isn’t always right.

So if only a few people like Wiseman then cool. Doesn’t affect me

In running for understatement post of the year.

[mpharris36]

My point is that I don’t care about what is popular. Whatever is popular doesn’t mean its right. So I’m cool with being in the minority.

This whole board hated Trae Young including me. The minority who liked him were right. The majority of this board loved Mikal Bridges and he’s been mostly average. Just a few examples.

I mean Mikal Bridges is excatly what you expact out of the 9th pick. If you get a starter/good rotational player that is a win. I wouldnn't consider that a failure. And two years into the league Mikal Bridges looks to be exactly that a really good defensive player with the potential to be an effecient scorer that doesn't need the ball. When considering who most had an issue with Kevin Knox (I think the masses were pretty correct that Mikal is a better player than Knox hands down).

And the Trae Young concerns were valid. Until he proves he can win in the NBA with his defensive deficiencies I am still skeptical of his overall impact on wins/losses.

For do you believe Trae Young supporting cast is that much worse than Luka's? I know you don't even like KP...you probaly like John Collins more than KP from what I can tell.

So considering all of that. How was one team 40-27 in a much tougher western cofernce and the mighty ATL hawks 27-40 (a worse record then our suck ass knicks) with the mighty trae young nearly dropping a legendary 30-10 a night on offense?

Hey if I'm playing fantasy basketblll give me Trae Young every day and twice on sunday. If I'm starting a team I have no interest with him as a building block.

People were hyping Mikal up like crazy and even got some Kawhi comparisons. He’s nothing more than a 3 and D player.

Hawks are like one of the youngest teams in the league so I’m pretty sure nobody was expecting them to win. Trae Young was a boom or bust player and it’s clear that he’s a not a bust and one of the best PG’s in the league. I was wrong on Trae and you were too. Nothing wrong with that. It just shows that what is popular isn’t always right.

So if only a few people like Wiseman then cool. Doesn’t affect me

You might have had one or two crazy people that rated Mikal Bridges to have the high of a ceiling but that is a generalization. 99% of the the people that wanted Mikal thought he was a really good defensive player that could potentially be a give you solid efficient offensive contributions. People wanted to pick him at 9...not at #2. There is a huge difference. They were saying where when you are picking in that area people need to understand expectations better then.

I for one believed he was a starting caliber SF that would be 3/D with good effeciency (he's well on his way there).

I do agree about Young he proved a lot of people wrong (i don't think many believed he could be nearly a 30-10 guy) I still think its very early to tell his overall impact to a winning team though so we shall see.

[3toheadmelo]

I mean Mikal Bridges is excatly what you expact out of the 9th pick. If you get a starter/good rotational player that is a win. I wouldnn't consider that a failure. And two years into the league Mikal Bridges looks to be exactly that a really good defensive player with the potential to be an effecient scorer that doesn't need the ball. When considering who most had an issue with Kevin Knox (I think the masses were pretty correct that Mikal is a better player than Knox hands down).

And the Trae Young concerns were valid. Until he proves he can win in the NBA with his defensive deficiencies I am still skeptical of his overall impact on wins/losses.

For do you believe Trae Young supporting cast is that much worse than Luka's? I know you don't even like KP...you probaly like John Collins more than KP from what I can tell.

So considering all of that. How was one team 40-27 in a much tougher western cofernce and the mighty ATL hawks 27-40 (a worse record then our suck ass knicks) with the mighty trae young nearly dropping a legendary 30-10 a night on offense?

Hey if I'm playing fantasy basketblll give me Trae Young every day and twice on sunday. If I'm starting a team I have no interest with him as a building block.

People were hyping Mikal up like crazy and even got some Kawhi comparisons. He’s nothing more than a 3 and D player.

Hawks are like one of the youngest teams in the league so I’m pretty sure nobody was expecting them to win. Trae Young was a boom or bust player and it’s clear that he’s a not a bust and one of the best PG’s in the league. I was wrong on Trae and you were too. Nothing wrong with that. It just shows that what is popular isn’t always right.

So if only a few people like Wiseman then cool. Doesn’t affect me

You might have had one or two crazy people that rated Mikal Bridges to have the high of a ceiling but that is a generalization. 99% of the the people that wanted Mikal thought he was a really good defensive player that could potentially be a give you solid efficient offensive contributions. People wanted to pick him at 9...not at #2. There is a huge difference. They were saying where when you are picking in that area people need to understand expectations better then.

I for one believed he was a starting caliber SF that would be 3/D with good effeciency (he's well on his way there).

I do agree about Young he proved a lot of people wrong (i don't think many believed he could be nearly a 30-10 guy) I still think its very early to tell his overall impact to a winning team though so we shall see.

Nope someone posted a pic of a old thread not too long ago which had a poll. Mikal got the majority of votes over players like Trae, Sexton, SGA. Mikal was extremely overrated by this board.

[mpharris36]

People were hyping Mikal up like crazy and even got some Kawhi comparisons. He’s nothing more than a 3 and D player.

Hawks are like one of the youngest teams in the league so I’m pretty sure nobody was expecting them to win. Trae Young was a boom or bust player and it’s clear that he’s a not a bust and one of the best PG’s in the league. I was wrong on Trae and you were too. Nothing wrong with that. It just shows that what is popular isn’t always right.

So if only a few people like Wiseman then cool. Doesn’t affect me

You might have had one or two crazy people that rated Mikal Bridges to have the high of a ceiling but that is a generalization. 99% of the the people that wanted Mikal thought he was a really good defensive player that could potentially be a give you solid efficient offensive contributions. People wanted to pick him at 9...not at #2. There is a huge difference. They were saying where when you are picking in that area people need to understand expectations better then.

I for one believed he was a starting caliber SF that would be 3/D with good effeciency (he's well on his way there).

I do agree about Young he proved a lot of people wrong (i don't think many believed he could be nearly a 30-10 guy) I still think its very early to tell his overall impact to a winning team though so we shall see.

Nope someone posted a pic of a old thread not too long ago which had a poll. Mikal got the majority of votes over players like Trae, Sexton, SGA. Mikal was extremely overrated by this board.

Mikal being ranked above those guys doesn't mean that the people thought he was going to be Kawhi...I don't believe it wasn't crazy to have Mikal rated over those 3 IMO. That draft was absolutely stacked. Out of the entire lottery there looks like there are only 2 out of the 14 players that wont be starters in the NBA (knox and robinson). That is very rare.

Also can you name me the awful defense player that was the best player on a team that won a championship?

[newyorker4ever]

These Wiseman plans are way too complicated and risky. Just keep Mitch and draft Ball/Edwards/Hayes

I love Mitch but i do worry about what kind of contract he'll be looking for when we really have to pay to keep him. Houston lost big by giving Capela that big contract for what he does, which is basically what Mitch does but he was still much better then Mitch when he got that contract offensively and by showing he can be a starter in the NBA and play starter minutes consistently without fouling out every game which Mitch still hasn't done.

Fair point about the contract but if our thought is dont pay a lot of money to a big or that bigs are no as valued i dont think Wiseman is the answer. And just not crazy about doubling up in this draft. Think there are better moves to be made.

For example, Houston didn't get a lot for Capela so we probably wouldn't get a lot for Mitch. Then we will use high draft capital for another C who may not be anything special and not have much value either. Just doesn't seem like a good plan

The biggest reason they didn't get a lot for Capela is cause of that contract they gave him. I would love to be able to build this team with Mitch as the starting center but we wouldn't be able to do that if he ends up getting a Capela like contract but if we could sign him on the right deal then i'd love to move forward with Mitch even if he doesn't ever become a shooter. Really hoping he starts putting up shots next year though. We need to let him start shooting while we're building this team and gonna be a lottery team.

[Mecca]

If Wiseman becomes Jarrett Allen with slightly more usage, that’s a bad pick when your current Center is Mitchell Robinson.

[newyorker4ever]

Haliburton is my name, and fcking up motherfcking point guards is my game, Jack.

[newyorker4ever]

agreed, I don't think I'm alone in that opinion though.

Majority of this board loved Josh Jackson and hated Tatum. So I don’t mind being in the minority again.

I think we all congratulated you with Tatum multiple times.

I do also know a lot of people that liked Luka, that liked Fox, JJJ as well. And the draft isn't an exact science. So I think it is unfair to hold Josh Jackson over someone head when you have NBA franchises that make mistakes too.

Why do we congratulate anyone that says a player that went top 3 in a draft is gonna be good in the NBA? Hahahaha He went top 3 for a reason.

You hit it on the head that there's no exact science to drafting in any major sport. That's why GM's lose their jobs all the time in every major sport.