Around the NBA - playoff bubble continued

[K_ick_God]

Think with Tatum the eye test is more important than stats. He’s obviously good but Brown should be more integral.

[stuporman]

What is going on in this thread?

[3toheadmelo]

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[Rasho Brezec]

Congrats to Landry Fields.

[SelbyCobra]

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Sheesh, this is...not great.

https://pagesix.com/2020/09/24/jordyn-woods-rumored-boyfriend-karl-anthony-towns-gifts-her-birthday-birkin-bags/

“It’s just pressure,” Woods captioned an Instagram Story showing off an orange ostrich Hermès Birkin bag ($35,000 on eBay), a second Birkin in orange leather ($9,600 on resale site ReBag) and a crystal-covered Chanel purse (a similar style retails for $11,000).

She also revealed a very on-theme gift from Towns: a signed Michael Jordan jersey, the likes of which sell for up to $8,500.

Not only did Woods show her appreciation for the over-the-top gifts, but she also reposted his birthday message to her and showed a clip of Towns dancing in his own custom “Woods” jersey.

[Oscirus]

Throw another log on the fire of we should have traded down instead of drafting RJ. This was a two player draft and 15 others, I guess it assumes we had competent scouting at the time.

Add him to the list of rookies I'd happily ship RJ for.

RJ will be better than Herro

10% chance. Herro's offensive game is light years ahead of RJ. It isn't even close. He's also doing it against desperate playoff defense and not the Wizards on Tuesday night. Herro is playing average NBA defense and isn't awful there and will likely get stronger as most 20 year old do.

RJ's only above average NBA skill right now is effort. Which is certainly a great start. If you wouldn't swap him for the following other 2020 rookies right now you are nuts.

Ja obviously
Zion
Herro
MPJr

these are all trades I'd make but you aren't nuts for saying no and believing RJ will learn to shoot at an average level

Brandon Clarke
Coby White

And one is on a playoff team where he has plenty of space to work with and us coming off the bench. But sure Isaiah keep trying to avoid doing the work of developing players and wish for other teams rooks based off one great playoff game

[Reign23]

lol at the tatum hate. he is not special? you guys...

[Montmorencie]

lol at the tatum hate. he is not special? you guys...

He is special, he is not that special. Would you take him over Doncic, Zion, Ja, Mitchell, Murray, Booker?

[Besart19]

pat the rat keeps winning and we keep losing....

If only the Knicks gave him the role he wanted to be both the head coach and president!

25 years since then and he is still relevant

[mpharris36]

pat the rat keeps winning and we keep losing....

If only the Knicks gave him the role he wanted to be both the head coach and president!

25 years since then and he is still relevant

those crazy lineups you come up with might have been true!

[Chanel Bomber]

At the end of the day, the Tatum disrespect or melo’s blasphemous ways with Jokic don’t matter.

It’s the RJ slander we need to address.

Yeah, Herro is the steal of the draft and I also think Garland is gonna be good but RJ might end up the best player from this draft class 10 years from now. The kid wanted to be a Knick, played hard and showed persistence throughout his ups-and-downs. He was also put in the worst possible situation with that roster. Give him a few years.

[god shammgod]

lol at the tatum hate. he is not special? you guys...

He is special, he is not that special. Would you take him over Doncic, Zion, Ja, Mitchell, Murray, Booker?

i think half the list is up for debate. before this bubble, everyone would have took him over murray. can we trust that this is repeatable outside of the bubble ? zion has yet to prove he's better. same for ja. luka in his own tier. i would say booker, tatum, mitchell are all around the same level. i would probably take the other 2 first but they're also 1 and 2 years older respectively. so i could easily be wrong.

[nedleeds]

RJ will be better than Herro

10% chance. Herro's offensive game is light years ahead of RJ. It isn't even close. He's also doing it against desperate playoff defense and not the Wizards on Tuesday night. Herro is playing average NBA defense and isn't awful there and will likely get stronger as most 20 year old do.

RJ's only above average NBA skill right now is effort. Which is certainly a great start. If you wouldn't swap him for the following other 2020 rookies right now you are nuts.

Ja obviously
Zion
Herro
MPJr

these are all trades I'd make but you aren't nuts for saying no and believing RJ will learn to shoot at an average level

Brandon Clarke
Coby White

And one is on a playoff team where he has plenty of space to work with and us coming off the bench. But sure Isaiah keep trying to avoid doing the work of developing players and wish for other teams rooks based off one great playoff game

One game? Have you watched the playoffs?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tyler-herro-1.html

No thanks Vlade, I'll just look at what they did in college and assume bad shooting is bad shooting which is exactly what RJ is. A dreadful college shooter from everywhere including the line, who had two other lottery picks on his Duke team but still couldn't hit water with an oar.

Herro shot 93.5% from the line in college. 36% from 3.
RJ shot 67% from the line, 30.8% from 3.

We drafted an awful shooter at #3 who turns out to be an awful shooter. We drafted an average NBA athlete who looks very much like an average NBA athlete. Again I would have tried anything to trade out of that pick at all costs.

No GM or scout on Earth would trade Herro for RJ Barrett right now. He looks better than Harden did at 20. Maybe this new shooting coach and Thibs' can make RJ into a good NBA player. I sure hope so.

[3toheadmelo]

1. Luka
2. Tatum
3. Booker
4. Murray
5. Mitchell
6. Zion
7. Ja Morant

I don’t think there’s a big gap between Luka and Tatum either. Cause Tatum is an elite defender and has taken another step as a playmaker. So we’ll see what happens in the future..

[Tron Carter]

look at this awful teammate.

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god wiggins and kat are such clown losers

[jvsimonetti0514]

lol at the tatum hate. he is not special? you guys...

He is special, he is not that special. Would you take him over Doncic, Zion, Ja, Mitchell, Murray, Booker?

Luka is the only one on the list that's better than Tatum everyone else it's up for debate. Tatum has been the best player on two teams ECF teams now and is only 22 years old. Maybe Booker or Mitchell are better than him because they offer more playmaking than Tatum but I wouldn't say either of those guys are better scorers than him. I'm not sure I completely buy that "bubble Murray" as the "real Murray." I think all the shooters in the bubble have gotten a huge boost from there being no fans in the crowd and he's definitely one of those guy taking advantage of that. If he comes into next year playing like he has in these playoffs, I'll be willing to reconsider but I'm not ready to give him the title of elite. Neither Zion or Ja can score on three levels, so idk if they deserve to be in the conversation with the others.

[Fat Kat]

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[jvsimonetti0514]

10% chance. Herro's offensive game is light years ahead of RJ. It isn't even close. He's also doing it against desperate playoff defense and not the Wizards on Tuesday night. Herro is playing average NBA defense and isn't awful there and will likely get stronger as most 20 year old do.

RJ's only above average NBA skill right now is effort. Which is certainly a great start. If you wouldn't swap him for the following other 2020 rookies right now you are nuts.

Ja obviously
Zion
Herro
MPJr

these are all trades I'd make but you aren't nuts for saying no and believing RJ will learn to shoot at an average level

Brandon Clarke
Coby White

And one is on a playoff team where he has plenty of space to work with and us coming off the bench. But sure Isaiah keep trying to avoid doing the work of developing players and wish for other teams rooks based off one great playoff game

One game? Have you watched the playoffs?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tyler-herro-1.html

No thanks Vlade, I'll just look at what they did in college and assume bad shooting is bad shooting which is exactly what RJ is. A dreadful college shooter from everywhere including the line, who had two other lottery picks on his Duke team but still couldn't hit water with an oar.

Herro shot 93.5% from the line in college. 36% from 3.
RJ shot 67% from the line, 30.8% from 3.

We drafted an awful shooter at #3 who turns out to be an awful shooter. We drafted an average NBA athlete who looks very much like an average NBA athlete. Again I would have tried anything to trade out of that pick at all costs.

No GM or scout on Earth would trade Herro for RJ Barrett right now. He looks better than Harden did at 20. Maybe this new shooting coach and Thibs' can make RJ into a good NBA player. I sure hope so.

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FWIW this was Herro's numbers before the bubble. Maybe he made a huge jump in the time off since they season stopped but I think it's important to take the bubbles shooting numbers with a grain of salt.

[Chanel Bomber]

And one is on a playoff team where he has plenty of space to work with and us coming off the bench. But sure Isaiah keep trying to avoid doing the work of developing players and wish for other teams rooks based off one great playoff game

One game? Have you watched the playoffs?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tyler-herro-1.html

No thanks Vlade, I'll just look at what they did in college and assume bad shooting is bad shooting which is exactly what RJ is. A dreadful college shooter from everywhere including the line, who had two other lottery picks on his Duke team but still couldn't hit water with an oar.

Herro shot 93.5% from the line in college. 36% from 3.
RJ shot 67% from the line, 30.8% from 3.

We drafted an awful shooter at #3 who turns out to be an awful shooter. We drafted an average NBA athlete who looks very much like an average NBA athlete. Again I would have tried anything to trade out of that pick at all costs.

No GM or scout on Earth would trade Herro for RJ Barrett right now. He looks better than Harden did at 20. Maybe this new shooting coach and Thibs' can make RJ into a good NBA player. I sure hope so.

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FWIW this was Herro's numbers before the bubble. Maybe he made a huge jump in the time off since they season stopped but I think it's important to take the bubbles shooting numbers with a grain of salt.

I think Herro’s bubble numbers are real. But as many people have said, the break and then the restart essentially made the bubble a sophomore season. And from that perspective Herro has sure made a leap. I think it’s real, it’s just that players like RJ haven’t that same opportunity. I’m hyped thinking about how RJ’s gonna play next season.

[nedleeds]

One game? Have you watched the playoffs?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tyler-herro-1.html

No thanks Vlade, I'll just look at what they did in college and assume bad shooting is bad shooting which is exactly what RJ is. A dreadful college shooter from everywhere including the line, who had two other lottery picks on his Duke team but still couldn't hit water with an oar.

Herro shot 93.5% from the line in college. 36% from 3.
RJ shot 67% from the line, 30.8% from 3.

We drafted an awful shooter at #3 who turns out to be an awful shooter. We drafted an average NBA athlete who looks very much like an average NBA athlete. Again I would have tried anything to trade out of that pick at all costs.

No GM or scout on Earth would trade Herro for RJ Barrett right now. He looks better than Harden did at 20. Maybe this new shooting coach and Thibs' can make RJ into a good NBA player. I sure hope so.

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FWIW this was Herro's numbers before the bubble. Maybe he made a huge jump in the time off since they season stopped but I think it's important to take the bubbles shooting numbers with a grain of salt.

I think Herro’s bubble numbers are real. But as many people have said, the break and then the restart essentially made the bubble a sophomore season. And from that perspective Herro has sure made a leap. I think it’s real, it’s just that players like RJ haven’t that same opportunity. I’m hyped thinking about how RJ’s gonna play next season.

I'm hopeful but there's just nothing in RJ's form free throw shooting last year or in college or high school that would lead you to think he'll be a starter level shooter. Which would be fine if we picked him 11th. Agree that the bubble for a young player is a chance to focus on skill development and play, which might be tough for all others given the lockdown. Maybe this shot doctor can get RJ's shot fixed in some fundamental way that he hasn't tried before.