PG - oh no, we suck again

[F N 11]

Guys probably mad exhausted lol

[DaGawd]

You can't blame quick when the entire team is in a funk. It's spread like a virus to everyone snd we didn't have an over abundant amount of talent to begin with

While true if you’re a really good player you can shine thru the rest of the team’s funk because of your talent. IQ is a dime a dozen type player who can easily be found and replaced ten fold. Somebody like Duece could easily step in and made us forget all about him

IQ has done that many times. You're not gons have it every gane especially when the team is in shambles on a 1pm start. You're picking quicks bad game and singling him out for some reason.

IQ is a special player who hasn't even begun to find his game.

Special player? See that word special should only be used for a select few. What special traits has IQ shown other than being a streaky shooter who sometimes hits deep 3s? His floater is inconsistent. He’s not a point guard. He’s a small shooting guard.. he’s the mold of a Lue Williams type player as his ceiling..Could be pretty good but hardly special. And I like IQ I really do

[KnixtapeH20]

While true if you’re a really good player you can shine thru the rest of the team’s funk because of your talent. IQ is a dime a dozen type player who can easily be found and replaced ten fold. Somebody like Duece could easily step in and made us forget all about him

IQ has done that many times. You're not gons have it every gane especially when the team is in shambles on a 1pm start. You're picking quicks bad game and singling him out for some reason.

IQ is a special player who hasn't even begun to find his game.

Special player? See that word special should only be used for a select few. What special traits has IQ shown other than being a streaky shooter who sometimes hits deep 3s? His floater is inconsistent. He’s not a point guard. He’s a small shooting guard.. he’s the mold of a Lue Williams type player as his ceiling..Could be pretty good but hardly special. And I like IQ I really do

His ability to hit clutch shots when we need a bucket, particularly a 3. It lifts the team and changes momentum. Also his defense which we've just begun to see.

Once he startsggoing to the line more where he's automatic. He's a baby and you're already putting a ceiling on him. I know it goes both ways but it's premature.

[FrozenEnvelope]

So where tonight is the get together party to celebrate being under .500 again? Cause I know some of you are so happy right now!

But what can you say about this game? This team just doesn't respect the Garden. We have zero homecourt. They have allowed inferior teams to come in and just embarrass us. That Denver team is not that good. They are pretty much an expansion team plus Jokic. But anyone can play well in this league if you don't guard them, don't respect them and you aren't ready to play. You can live with Jokic getting his. He's the MVP and he's really good. But to allow some scrub like Nnaji to score 21 and hit 5/7 threes is just disgusting! Nuggets hit 20 threes as a team! Embarrassing and disheartening.

It starts with defense but before that it starts with a gameplan and leadership from your HC and vets. We were not ready to play this game. We came out as if we were up partying until 3am hungover. No effort, no sense of urgency having lost two games in a row and just poor leadership overall. This is not the same effort and care we saw last season. I refuse to believe our identity completely changed because of Elfrid freaking Payton not being here. I think it's obvious that right now we are just not working as hard as last season. And Thibs hinted at that with RJ. It appears last season RJ spent way more time at the gym getting shots up and that rewarded him with shooting 40% from three. I bet he's not the only one who's stopped working as hard. The eye test and production doesn't lie.

This sucks. It hurts as a fan. I never wanted to experience under .500 basketball ever again or at least for a few years but here we are.

[DOT]

Quite frankly, we might be better off blowing it up and going full Thunder than going after Dame

At this point, Dame would just be a delaying tactic. Treadmill 1st/2nd round losses for a few years

The issue is, no matter what we do, no matter who we choose to build around, we still need a #1 option. Randle ain't it, and even though I'm still on RJ island, barring a miracle he ain't gonna be it either. Nor will Quick, Obi, McBride, Grimes, etc

I don't think they're bad prospects per se, I think they'll stick around in the league for a while, but we need that #1 option, and they ain't it

But it's like I've been saying. I didn't expect much more this year than being around .500 and seeing who becomes available. Is what it is, next year if we're running it back again instead of picking a direction, I'll be quite miffed.

[Clyde_Style]

So where tonight is the get together party to celebrate being under .500 again? Cause I know some of you are so happy right now!

But what can you say about this game? This team just doesn't respect the Garden. We have zero homecourt. They have allowed inferior teams to come in and just embarrass us. That Denver team is not that good. They are pretty much an expansion team plus Jokic. But anyone can play well in this league if you don't guard them, don't respect them and you aren't ready to play. You can live with Jokic getting his. He's the MVP and he's really good. But to allow some scrub like Nnaji to score 21 and hit 5/7 threes is just disgusting! Nuggets hit 20 threes as a team! Embarrassing and disheartening.

It starts with defense but before that it starts with a gameplan and leadership from your HC and vets. We were not ready to play this game. We came out as if we were up partying until 3am hungover. No effort, no sense of urgency having lost two games in a row and just poor leadership overall. This is not the same effort and care we saw last season. I refuse to believe our identity completely changed because of Elfrid freaking Payton not being here. I think it's obvious that right now we are just not working as hard as last season. And Thibs hinted at that with RJ. It appears last season RJ spent way more time at the gym getting shots up and that rewarded him with shooting 40% from three. I bet he's not the only one who's stopped working as hard. The eye test and production doesn't lie.

This sucks. It hurts as a fan. I never wanted to experience under .500 basketball ever again or at least for a few years but here we are.

Still trying to have your cake and eat it too?

You still feel entitled to bash those of us who correctly pegged the state of this team while simultaneously saying we were actually right.

FOH with this BS that we want to be miserable. It’s just speaking the truth, not wishful hating. So cut the BS

[Clyde_Style]

Quite frankly, we might be better off blowing it up and going full Thunder than going after Dame

At this point, Dame would just be a delaying tactic. Treadmill 1st/2nd round losses for a few years

The issue is, no matter what we do, no matter who we choose to build around, we still need a #1 option. Randle ain't it, and even though I'm still on RJ island, barring a miracle he ain't gonna be it either. Nor will Quick, Obi, McBride, Grimes, etc

I don't think they're bad prospects per se, I think they'll stick around in the league for a while, but we need that #1 option, and they ain't it

But it's like I've been saying. I didn't expect much more this year than being around .500 and seeing who becomes available. Is what it is, next year if we're running it back again instead of picking a direction, I'll be quite miffed.

I’d love that

But a full rebuild won’t ever happen here

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Didn’t watch but looking at the box score randle had no help once again. Sad!

[Chanel Bomber]

Quite frankly, we might be better off blowing it up and going full Thunder than going after Dame

At this point, Dame would just be a delaying tactic. Treadmill 1st/2nd round losses for a few years

The issue is, no matter what we do, no matter who we choose to build around, we still need a #1 option. Randle ain't it, and even though I'm still on RJ island, barring a miracle he ain't gonna be it either. Nor will Quick, Obi, McBride, Grimes, etc

I don't think they're bad prospects per se, I think they'll stick around in the league for a while, but we need that #1 option, and they ain't it

But it's like I've been saying. I didn't expect much more this year than being around .500 and seeing who becomes available. Is what it is, next year if we're running it back again instead of picking a direction, I'll be quite miffed.

Yeah, we just happen to have cap flexibility and assets at a time where no superstar in their 20s is available for a trade.

It's really unfortunate.

Dame might be available at some point, but he will be 32 when next season starts, and he doesn't guarantee championship contention without a third "star" coming to the Knicks.

The NBA today reminds me in a very specific way of the league in 2011 after Melo and Chandler joined the Knicks. It felt like the NBA landscape was set for the next 3-4 years. All the stars had landed where they wanted to go, and the younger generation of superstars were still playing for the teams that drafted them. The James Harden trade was largely an aberration - you can't count on that happening is my point.

That's why I have felt that hitting the reset button is the best thing to do for this franchise. And from that perspective, the value of our assets was never going to be higher than this past summer.

The logical trade to me was Randle for Wiggins and one of the Warriors' firsts. Them being a first-class organization, maybe they would've turned that down. The Kings and Hornets were logical trade partners too imo.

[KnixtapeH20]

Quite frankly, we might be better off blowing it up and going full Thunder than going after Dame

At this point, Dame would just be a delaying tactic. Treadmill 1st/2nd round losses for a few years

The issue is, no matter what we do, no matter who we choose to build around, we still need a #1 option. Randle ain't it, and even though I'm still on RJ island, barring a miracle he ain't gonna be it either. Nor will Quick, Obi, McBride, Grimes, etc

I don't think they're bad prospects per se, I think they'll stick around in the league for a while, but we need that #1 option, and they ain't it

But it's like I've been saying. I didn't expect much more this year than being around .500 and seeing who becomes available. Is what it is, next year if we're running it back again instead of picking a direction, I'll be quite miffed.

I’d love that

But a full rebuild won’t ever happen here

And if that's the case it's bs if Dolan then. Not us Knick fans

"You can't rebuild in NY" they say that bc the fans are impatient but nearly the entire fan base would be on board with it. So what are we really talking about here? Gotta be Dolan

[DOT]

That's why I have felt that hitting the reset button is the best thing to do for this franchise. And from that perspective, the value of our assets was never going to be higher than this past summer.

Yeah

But call me crazy, I don't feel like expending energy on "what-if"s at this point is worth it, I really don't care

It's about what can we do going forward that I'd rather focus on, cause you can't change the past, but you can learn from it and build a better future.

[DOT]

Quite frankly, we might be better off blowing it up and going full Thunder than going after Dame

At this point, Dame would just be a delaying tactic. Treadmill 1st/2nd round losses for a few years

The issue is, no matter what we do, no matter who we choose to build around, we still need a #1 option. Randle ain't it, and even though I'm still on RJ island, barring a miracle he ain't gonna be it either. Nor will Quick, Obi, McBride, Grimes, etc

I don't think they're bad prospects per se, I think they'll stick around in the league for a while, but we need that #1 option, and they ain't it

But it's like I've been saying. I didn't expect much more this year than being around .500 and seeing who becomes available. Is what it is, next year if we're running it back again instead of picking a direction, I'll be quite miffed.

I’d love that

But a full rebuild won’t ever happen here

And if that's the case it's bs if Dolan then. Not us Knick fans

"You can't rebuild in NY" they say that bc the fans are impatient but nearly the entire fan base would be on board with it. So what are we really talking about here? Gotta be Dolan

Well, kind of

Lot of fans are too impatient. Just look in here seeing guys sh*tting on RJ not even halfway through year 3. And yeah, odds are he isn't gonna be the guy for us, but he's shown that he could be a really good player

If we don't draft a guy who's a star from day 1, fans aren't patient enough to wait a few years before declaring them a bust.

[Jimmit79]

Quite frankly, we might be better off blowing it up and going full Thunder than going after Dame

At this point, Dame would just be a delaying tactic. Treadmill 1st/2nd round losses for a few years

The issue is, no matter what we do, no matter who we choose to build around, we still need a #1 option. Randle ain't it, and even though I'm still on RJ island, barring a miracle he ain't gonna be it either. Nor will Quick, Obi, McBride, Grimes, etc

I don't think they're bad prospects per se, I think they'll stick around in the league for a while, but we need that #1 option, and they ain't it

But it's like I've been saying. I didn't expect much more this year than being around .500 and seeing who becomes available. Is what it is, next year if we're running it back again instead of picking a direction, I'll be quite miffed.

A full rebuild is always the best idea problem is it takes time and every guy dolan hires is on a timeline plus the knicks politics not taking mitchell in lotto or passing on porter jr because of injury or must take RJ cause of draft hype. Outside of Phil I can't remember the last FO that tried selling our players at high value and Phil got fired for doing it even though he was right and what is knicks beef with building un-athletic teams and avoiding PGs I don't understand how ppl with right experience continue to do **** again and again.

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[DOT]

passing on porter jr because of injury

You sure you wanna make this argument there, bud?

[god shammgod]

Read on Twitter

Wow!!!!!!!!!

wow indeed. not even working hard anymore. and he doesn't have a lot of natural talent. the fact that thibs made it public is pretty damning. i guess we know who's next to leave the starting lineup.

[Jimmit79]

Read on Twitter

Wow!!!!!!!!!

wow indeed. not even working hard anymore. and he doesn't have a lot of natural talent. the fact that thibs made it public is pretty damning. i guess we know who's next to leave the starting lineup.

Lol I didn't believe he would be able to compete even with hard work against more talented and hark working player but damm maybe he realized he's not that good.

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[Adelheid]

It's the effort part I can't wrap my head around. And there's nothing to suggest it's a "we're over thibs" thing. They just don't put together 48 minutes of solid effort every game. It's the first thing that has to change.

I just mentioned this, but do you think there is a chance that Thibs is mildly losing the team?
I wonder if the hard practices, overwork, etc. is just getting old. That said, the kids have all looked pretty good in their limited minutes. Maybe that is due to Thibs, though they were all 3/+ year college players I think.

Maybe this is just the team learning to play together, but the increasing signs of lack of effort a little alarming.

Playing entire quarters (for favoured rotation guys only) seems to be a no-go for most players nowadays.

Its pretty easy to tell Randle is gassed and is coasting with his effort level. Cant blame him when Thibs is riding him like Secretariat

[god shammgod]

iq and mitch make no money and are exceeding their draft position. blaming either one of them is laughable.

[god shammgod]

Quite frankly, we might be better off blowing it up and going full Thunder than going after Dame

we are better off.....but let the dame trade commence!!!!!!!!

[prophet_of_rage]

Ok so at the beginning of the game it was obvious the Knicks were making quicker decisions. getting into their offense quicker, moving the ball and taking simple shots rather than turning them into spinning fadeaway falling out of bounds takes. there's no doubt in my mind that the coaches were in their ear about it. and it translated. for about five minutes and then all hell broke loose.
so this is where in game coaching comes into play. coach's job is to make them adhere to that style and if you see it slipping bring in other players to keep the game being played the right way. don't base it on some prescribed 9 minute mark bs or he's my first guy off the bench and this guy won't ever play etc. Coach...the game...that is being played.

Correct. The biggest problem is at the top.

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