Post game : the **** mid continues...

[dakomish23]

it was a good win but can't help but feel like we're really stuck

rj had a decent 2nd half but the 1st was so bad that it doesn't begin to make up for it. his contract is an albatross. he's not a good basketball player let alone anything resembling a star. anyone saying we made a smart decision re-signing him is out of their mind.

julius is who he is. a low defensive effort, turnover prone iso scorer that isn't good enough to give your team too many wins. another contract that isn't going to be desired much around the league.

kids like cam and obi who everyone got excited about early have turned back into being pretty much worthless.

the contracts of rose, evan and hart are just a complete waste and 2 of them have guaranteed money for next year too.

we have some good defensive pieces - mitch, grimes, iq, mcbride. but grimes, iq and mcbride all can't really shoot from the outside. mcbride is to be expected but iq is shooting 30 percent and grimes is shooting 27 percent from 3. dear lord.

it's a mess. i feel bad for the next guy who has to fix this. because this front office won't be the ones who do. they're obviously terrible and everyone is starting to see it.

Nah

[god shammgod]

it was a good win but can't help but feel like we're really stuck

rj had a decent 2nd half but the 1st was so bad that it doesn't begin to make up for it. his contract is an albatross. he's not a good basketball player let alone anything resembling a star. anyone saying we made a smart decision re-signing him is out of their mind.

julius is who he is. a low defensive effort, turnover prone iso scorer that isn't good enough to give your team too many wins. another contract that isn't going to be desired much around the league.

kids like cam and obi who everyone got excited about early have turned back into being pretty much worthless.

the contracts of rose, evan and hart are just a complete waste and 2 of them have guaranteed money for next year too.

we have some good defensive pieces - mitch, grimes, iq, mcbride. but grimes, iq and mcbride all can't really shoot from the outside. mcbride is to be expected but iq is shooting 30 percent and grimes is shooting 27 percent from 3. dear lord.

it's a mess. i feel bad for the next guy who has to fix this. because this front office won't be the ones who do. they're obviously terrible and everyone is starting to see it.

Nah

which part ?

[dakomish23]

it was a good win but can't help but feel like we're really stuck

rj had a decent 2nd half but the 1st was so bad that it doesn't begin to make up for it. his contract is an albatross. he's not a good basketball player let alone anything resembling a star. anyone saying we made a smart decision re-signing him is out of their mind.

julius is who he is. a low defensive effort, turnover prone iso scorer that isn't good enough to give your team too many wins. another contract that isn't going to be desired much around the league.

kids like cam and obi who everyone got excited about early have turned back into being pretty much worthless.

the contracts of rose, evan and hart are just a complete waste and 2 of them have guaranteed money for next year too.

we have some good defensive pieces - mitch, grimes, iq, mcbride. but grimes, iq and mcbride all can't really shoot from the outside. mcbride is to be expected but iq is shooting 30 percent and grimes is shooting 27 percent from 3. dear lord.

it's a mess. i feel bad for the next guy who has to fix this. because this front office won't be the ones who do. they're obviously terrible and everyone is starting to see it.

Nah

which part ?

I don’t agree with any of it. And I’ve been just as critical of these pieces as you this year.

They’ve been supremely underwhelming for sure but there’s a lot of things that haven’t been done to rectify issues.

[god shammgod]

Nah

which part ?

I don’t agree with any of it. And I’ve been just as critical of these pieces as you. They’ve been supremely underwhelming for sure but there’s a lot of things that haven’t been done to rectify issues.

i get it. it's all the coaches fault. you're at that stage of denial. ok. don't let me stop you.

[FrozenEnvelope]

Delusional tankers can skip this one but kudos to this team for bouncing back after a horrible embarrassing loss and against a very good team.

Admit it, you thought Spida would have scored 60. I admit I did. But props to Grimes. He was on Spida like an exterminator! Text book man to man defense. Love love LOVE IQ and Deuce together. Send Rose to a contender for a second or give him the Taj mentor role. Deuce needs to play!

Sucks about Cam but after his effort against Dallas he kinda deserves it.

Like I've said you all rooting for losses and getting mad at wins are beyond dumb! We are never going to tank, tanking doesn't work anyway and no matter who we bring in as HC it's not going to make much of a difference!

Bro what don't u get it's not about tanking at this point. It's about losing eniugh games to get rid of Thibs. It starts there.

I would of gave u a and1 otherwise lol

Could care less about And1s. Just please don't shoot me with your water gun.

Thibs is not getting fired unless they completely implode and go like 10 games under .500 or the team completely gives up on him and that's not likely to happen. You know damn well we are never going into true tank mode unless we are eliminated from play-in contention. And if that is the case, why would you even want to fire him? This is not the season to bring in some interim HC so he can get some fluke wins like Mike Miller did and hurt our draft position. So if Thibs and this team starts losing, let them be!

And sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Johnny Bryant or anyone else isn't going to make this team win 50 games no matter what scheme he runs. And he is not benching Randle for Obi. He is not benching RJ either. No HC alive is going to do this when he is trying to win. If you replace Thibs with Bryant, he will try to win as many games as possible and that means he will go with the vets and the most proven players on the team!

The biggest issue with this team and the reason we are mid is because we are missing that star. That's not on Thibs. He didn't build this. Leon and co. did. They deserve the most blame. February 9, 2023 trade deadline will be here before we know it. There WILL be stars and good upgrades available. Let's see what Leon does. But to root for losses and **** on guys like Grimes, who played his ass off last night defending Spida, and say they didn't earn that win or any win is hating and makes you look stupid.

[RHODEY]

For all the fans of the tank, the odds that the Knicks if they get another lottery pick anyway isn’t used in a trade is very low anyway, especially if clown rose is still here, he’s either going to punt it, trade down for more future 1st or package it for a mid tier all star

This year's draft was weak. It's fine the pick was traded away. Next year's draft is suppose to be pretty stacked with talent.

Supposedly this year's draft was weak...but Tari Eason and that dude in the Hawks were both available...the motivation j you at wasn't there to use the pick.Hopefully that changes this time around.

[god shammgod]

Delusional tankers can skip this one but kudos to this team for bouncing back after a horrible embarrassing loss and against a very good team.

Admit it, you thought Spida would have scored 60. I admit I did. But props to Grimes. He was on Spida like an exterminator! Text book man to man defense. Love love LOVE IQ and Deuce together. Send Rose to a contender for a second or give him the Taj mentor role. Deuce needs to play!

Sucks about Cam but after his effort against Dallas he kinda deserves it.

Like I've said you all rooting for losses and getting mad at wins are beyond dumb! We are never going to tank, tanking doesn't work anyway and no matter who we bring in as HC it's not going to make much of a difference!

Bro what don't u get it's not about tanking at this point. It's about losing eniugh games to get rid of Thibs. It starts there.

I would of gave u a and1 otherwise lol

Could care less about And1s. Just please don't shoot me with your water gun.

Thibs is not getting fired unless they completely implode and go like 10 games under .500 or the team completely gives up on him and that's not likely to happen. You know damn well we are never going into true tank mode unless we are eliminated from play-in contention. And if that is the case, why would you even want to fire him? This is not the season to bring in some interim HC so he can get some fluke wins like Mike Miller did and hurt our draft position. So if Thibs and this team starts losing, let them be!

And sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Johnny Bryant or anyone else isn't going to make this team win 50 games no matter what scheme he runs. And he is not benching Randle for Obi. He is not benching RJ either. No HC alive is going to do this when he is trying to win. If you replace Thibs with Bryant, he will try to win as many games as possible and that means he will go with the vets and the most proven players on the team!

The biggest issue with this team and the reason we are mid is because we are missing that star. That's not on Thibs. He didn't build this. Leon and co. did. They deserve the most blame. February 9, 2023 trade deadline will be here before we know it. There WILL be stars and good upgrades available. Let's see what Leon does. But to root for losses and **** on guys like Grimes, who played his ass off last night defending Spida, and say they didn't earn that win or any win is hating and makes you look stupid.

there isn't a star available every trade deadline

[thebuzzardman]

Most of these MFers just come here to be miserable, get mad when we win and trash the team when we lose, and want to fire and trade everybody but religiously show up like clockwork just to b*tch and complain about which player sucked …

Toxic ass fan base

Reading all that stuff is the only thing left that's entertaining about the team

Mainly because we've dissected every other aspect from every angle 1,000 times over

Luckily even when we’re steadily on the treadmill, this franchise is always teetering dangerously on the edge of volatility.

Won’t be long before they’re rumored to be doing some crazy sh*t that’ll spark 9 one-hundred page discussion threads.

This is the way

[Spot31]

Bunch of haters on this board. If you don't want to see the Knicks win switch over & go root for the Nets.

[FrozenEnvelope]

Bro what don't u get it's not about tanking at this point. It's about losing eniugh games to get rid of Thibs. It starts there.

I would of gave u a and1 otherwise lol

Could care less about And1s. Just please don't shoot me with your water gun.

Thibs is not getting fired unless they completely implode and go like 10 games under .500 or the team completely gives up on him and that's not likely to happen. You know damn well we are never going into true tank mode unless we are eliminated from play-in contention. And if that is the case, why would you even want to fire him? This is not the season to bring in some interim HC so he can get some fluke wins like Mike Miller did and hurt our draft position. So if Thibs and this team starts losing, let them be!

And sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Johnny Bryant or anyone else isn't going to make this team win 50 games no matter what scheme he runs. And he is not benching Randle for Obi. He is not benching RJ either. No HC alive is going to do this when he is trying to win. If you replace Thibs with Bryant, he will try to win as many games as possible and that means he will go with the vets and the most proven players on the team!

The biggest issue with this team and the reason we are mid is because we are missing that star. That's not on Thibs. He didn't build this. Leon and co. did. They deserve the most blame. February 9, 2023 trade deadline will be here before we know it. There WILL be stars and good upgrades available. Let's see what Leon does. But to root for losses and **** on guys like Grimes, who played his ass off last night defending Spida, and say they didn't earn that win or any win is hating and makes you look stupid.

there isn't a star available every trade deadline

True but I think there will be plenty available this tradeline cause of Wemby. But if I'm wrong, we got no choice but to play the season out and try again at the draft and offseason. Point was Spida is not the last star that's gonna get traded. Eventually there will be others and we have assets to be in the conversation. We are not stuck in mid forever if we are smart and lucky.

But if you're one of those 'fans' who bitch about everything and have no hope, it doesn't matter what they will do cause you'll continue your bitching act.

[Deeeez Knicks]

For all the fans of the tank, the odds that the Knicks if they get another lottery pick anyway isn’t used in a trade is very low anyway, especially if clown rose is still here, he’s either going to punt it, trade down for more future 1st or package it for a mid tier all star

This year's draft was weak. It's fine the pick was traded away. Next year's draft is suppose to be pretty stacked with talent.

Supposedly this year's draft was weak...but Tari Eason and that dude in the Hawks were both available...the motivation j you at wasn't there to use the pick.Hopefully that changes this time around.

Jalen Williams, Griffin, Eason all looking pretty good. Of course Knicks would have drafted somebody bad anyway

[thebuzzardman]

RJ and Randle gotta pass more and dribble less. Clyde was right tonight. Keep the ball moving. Let Brunson do the dribbling if anyone has to.

Obvious to everyone else except those two players and our coaching staff that let’s them do it.

I got to watch the game really early this AM

Random observations:

For a low scoring game, there was good ball movement by the Knicks

IQ's hesitation dribble might make him into a legitimate NBA guard - not saying a starter or great or anything like that, but it's a missing piece that makes him more properly effective. If his 3 point shot returns. Anyway, looked good this game.

Shart had a few moments of moving, cutting, passing with Grimes and Shart sealed off IQ's defender nicely on that end of the 1st quarter drive.

Usually around game 25/Christmas, teams gel (or fall apart if Knicks) and new players get adjusted. Maybe this is the case w/ Shart now, but I have my doubts, because Knicks.

Grimes and McBride defense good

Thibs shorted the rotation - good

Thibs seemed to try and stagger RJ and Randle - that's been going on for a while, it just seemed more obvious this game. Maybe the shortened rotation made it stand out to me.

I saw about a minute of a Brunson, IQ, Grimes, Randle, Mitch lineup - I think. Was hoping to see more

[thebuzzardman]

This year's draft was weak. It's fine the pick was traded away. Next year's draft is suppose to be pretty stacked with talent.

Supposedly this year's draft was weak...but Tari Eason and that dude in the Hawks were both available...the motivation j you at wasn't there to use the pick.Hopefully that changes this time around.

Jalen Williams, Griffin, Eason all looking pretty good. Of course Knicks would have drafted somebody bad anyway

Refresh my memory, since the thousand pages of it during the summer apparently didn't stick.

Did the Knicks trade out of the draft to free up space for Brunson? Was moving that pick part of that effort?

I like Brunson and I think it was a good move, in spite of his 2 huge detractors on here, but passing on a talented wing like the guy on the Hawks, that's pretty f*cking ret*rded.

That's a guy who suddenly makes it easy to trade RJ and/or Grimes, IQ

[bearadonisdna]

This year's draft was weak. It's fine the pick was traded away. Next year's draft is suppose to be pretty stacked with talent.

Supposedly this year's draft was weak...but Tari Eason and that dude in the Hawks were both available...the motivation j you at wasn't there to use the pick.Hopefully that changes this time around.

Jalen Williams, Griffin, Eason all looking pretty good. Of course Knicks would have drafted somebody bad anyway

2nd guessing last years draft is a wash to me.
Knicks freed up cap for Brun which looks like the right move.
Tripled up in 1st rounders and dumped bad salary .
Would double down on that again for sure .

[Deeeez Knicks]

Supposedly this year's draft was weak...but Tari Eason and that dude in the Hawks were both available...the motivation j you at wasn't there to use the pick.Hopefully that changes this time around.

Jalen Williams, Griffin, Eason all looking pretty good. Of course Knicks would have drafted somebody bad anyway

Refresh my memory, since the thousand pages of it during the summer apparently didn't stick.

Did the Knicks trade out of the draft to free up space for Brunson? Was moving that pick part of that effort?

I like Brunson and I think it was a good move, in spite of his 2 huge detractors on here, but passing on a talented wing like the guy on the Hawks, that's pretty f*cking ret*rded.

That's a guy who suddenly makes it easy to trade RJ and/or Grimes, IQ

Yea, they traded it to free up space for Brunson. Brunson was a really nice signing in a vacuum and I like him a lot. He is our best player. But they shouldnt have been in a position where they needed to trade a lottery pick to sign him. It was really all the bad decisions before that.

I mean, typical Knicks in that even when they make a good move, there is some bad to it

[El Poochio]

Imagine the disaster if we traded the farm for DMitch

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[El Poochio]

This year's draft was weak. It's fine the pick was traded away. Next year's draft is suppose to be pretty stacked with talent.

Supposedly this year's draft was weak...but Tari Eason and that dude in the Hawks were both available...the motivation j you at wasn't there to use the pick.Hopefully that changes this time around.

Jalen Williams, Griffin, Eason all looking pretty good. Of course Knicks would have drafted somebody bad anyway

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[GONYK]

Jalen Williams, Griffin, Eason all looking pretty good. Of course Knicks would have drafted somebody bad anyway

Refresh my memory, since the thousand pages of it during the summer apparently didn't stick.

Did the Knicks trade out of the draft to free up space for Brunson? Was moving that pick part of that effort?

I like Brunson and I think it was a good move, in spite of his 2 huge detractors on here, but passing on a talented wing like the guy on the Hawks, that's pretty f*cking ret*rded.

That's a guy who suddenly makes it easy to trade RJ and/or Grimes, IQ

Yea, they traded it to free up space for Brunson. Brunson was a really nice signing in a vacuum and I like him a lot. He is our best player. But they shouldnt have been in a position where they needed to trade a lottery pick to sign him. It was really all the bad decisions before that.

I mean, typical Knicks in that even when they make a good move, there is some bad to it

To be fair, the Knicks got 3 1sts for the 1st they traded, right?

That deal may have been done with an eye on freeing up space for Brunson, both because they traded one of them to Detroit and because they didn't want a rookie salary on the books this year, but that is also good trade in a vacuum.

[Fat Kat]

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