OT: Official Mets' 2024 Thread (p. 19)

[mpharris36]

There have been 3 pitchers ejected since the substance checking...and the only pitchers to be thrown out of a game are by Phil Cuzzi, doesn't that seem fishy???

And you better have more evidence then it was stickier than usual if you are going to toss a future HOF...its a horrible look for MLB to be throwing guys out for rosin (which is a legal substance).

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There have been 3 pitchers ejected since the substance checking...and the only pitchers to be thrown out of a game are by Phil Cuzzi, doesn't that seem fishy???

And you better have more evidence then it was stickier than usual if you are going to toss a future HOF...its a horrible look for MLB to be throwing guys out for rosin (which is a legal substance).

I didn't see it, I only read about it after. Supposedly Scherzer was asked to change his glove, he did, he resisted having his 2nd glove checked. I'd have had to have seen it to have a better idea.

Rosin is kept in a bag. There's no reason to have rosin on or in a glove. Why would sweat and rosin be extra sticky? Why would his glove be sticky? . . . I don't know. I don't have all the information.

I'm not saying Cuzzi is right. I don't know where to come down on this one.

[mpharris36]

There have been 3 pitchers ejected since the substance checking...and the only pitchers to be thrown out of a game are by Phil Cuzzi, doesn't that seem fishy???

And you better have more evidence then it was stickier than usual if you are going to toss a future HOF...its a horrible look for MLB to be throwing guys out for rosin (which is a legal substance).

I didn't see it, I only read about it after. Supposedly Scherzer was asked to change his glove, he did, he resisted having his 2nd glove checked. I'd have had to have seen it to have a better idea.

Rosin is kept in a bag. There's no reason to have rosin on or in a glove. Why would sweat and rosin be extra sticky? Why would his glove be sticky? . . . I don't know. I don't have all the information.

I'm not saying Cuzzi is right. I don't know where to come down on this one.

there is plenty reason to have rosin on or in a glove...rosin and sweat forces a tacky mixture...guys are allowed to apply rosin in the dugout and if you put it on a ball and a ball touches a glove (obviously) and you hand is in your glove...

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This Scherzer stuff is odd. The league issued a statement that he didn't use Rosin in the way it's supposed to be used. The ump said "stickiest I've ever seen this year". I keep reading opinions pro Scherzer, but . . . I remain unsure. It's possible the ump got it 100% wrong, but I remain uncertain on this situation.

Are other pitchers doing what Scherzer did? Will Scherzer get away with it with a different ump? I just don't know where to come down on this one.

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Lucchesi with a nice game. I was down on him over the prospect the Mets gave up for him, but if he keeps pitching well, that takes the sting out of it. The Giants aren't a good hitting team, but still, 7 solid innings. Granted, the prospect was an unknown when the Mets traded him. Still hurts to lose a top 50 prospect.

And Alonso with another homer. 10 homers and 23 RBI in 21 games. Nice start.

[HarthorneWingo]

Lucchesi with a nice game. I was down on him over the prospect the Mets gave up for him, but if he keeps pitching well, that takes the sting out of it. The Giants aren't a good hitting team, but still, 7 solid innings. Granted, the prospect was an unknown when the Mets traded him. Still hurts to lose a top 50 prospect.

And Alonso with another homer. 10 homers and 23 RBI in 21 games. Nice start.

Alonso is in beast mode.

Lucchesi was outstanding. I’ll take 7 shutout innings from any one of our starters anytime. That’s a rarity in MLB these days.

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Did you see how Drew Smyly lost his perfect game? Ouch.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/cubs-drew-smyly-lost-a-perfect-game-in-the-8th-inning-because-his-catcher-tackled-him/ar-AA1aatms?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=73f77aa4bee84ff6b61ffe4fa3200b45&ei=12

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I thought this was fun:

https://www.mlb.com/news/david-wright-surprises-fan

[Jeffrey]

Lucchesi with a nice game. I was down on him over the prospect the Mets gave up for him, but if he keeps pitching well, that takes the sting out of it. The Giants aren't a good hitting team, but still, 7 solid innings. Granted, the prospect was an unknown when the Mets traded him. Still hurts to lose a top 50 prospect.

And Alonso with another homer. 10 homers and 23 RBI in 21 games. Nice start.

Endy Rodriguez was not known but yes it hurts now.

I would say Kazmir and the Cano trade hurts more because of their perceived value at the time of trading.

[Jeffrey]

This is why every team needs pitching depth. It's not even the first month and we're at Starting pitcher # 9. If Cohen keeps building the minor leagues, it will be attractive for AAA type pitchers to sign with the Mets because we care for them like Major Leaguers.

1. Scherzer
2. Verlander
3. Senga
4. Quintana
5. Carrasco
6. Megill
7. Peterson
8. Butto
9. Luchessi

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Endy Rodriguez was not known but yes it hurts now.

I would say Kazmir and the Cano trade hurts more because of their perceived value at the time of trading.

Kazmir might have helped us in the playoffs. The Mets knew he was an injury risk, so they traded him for an even more injured pitcher. Just a disaster. Kaz could have been huge for us, even if only for a few seasons.

And Cano - yep. Diaz is great but that trade hurts. It will for some time.

The Pete Crow Armstrong for Javier Baez rental and Trevor Williams hurts too. Armstrong was hurt, but still a bad trade that looks worse now. But, what's done is done.

One thing I really like about Uncle Steve, is that he seems to have backed off trading key prospects. He'll trade mid-level prospects like crazy, but not top prospects. I like that approach.

[Jeffrey]

Endy Rodriguez was not known but yes it hurts now.

I would say Kazmir and the Cano trade hurts more because of their perceived value at the time of trading.

Kazmir might have helped us in the playoffs. The Mets knew he was an injury risk, so they traded him for an even more injured pitcher. Just a disaster. Kaz could have been huge for us, even if only for a few seasons.

And Cano - yep. Diaz is great but that trade hurts. It will for some time.

The Pete Crow Armstrong for Javier Baez rental and Trevor Williams hurts too. Armstrong was hurt, but still a bad trade that looks worse now. But, what's done is done.

One thing I really like about Uncle Steve, is that he seems to have backed off trading key prospects. He'll trade mid-level prospects like crazy, but not top prospects. I like that approach.

For prospects, I look at their value at the time of the trade and then years down the road. My thing about Kazmir and Kelenic trade was that their value was really high and people were scratching their heads about it.

The Kazmir trade, there were anonymous execs that said they didn't even know he was available. So we didn't even look around the league to get the best return.

The Kelenic trade was a head-scratcher because you don't give up a top prospect for an old veteran with a huge contract remaining. Cano was 36 when he got to us and it didn't even matter if he was still at his game. Who trades a top-hitting prospect in their barren farm system AND he was BA's top 100 prospect for an aging veteran?

The PCA/Baez was a disaster too, you're right. He was considered an MLB ready level CFer when he was drafted out of HS. Got injured and traded... came back with the Cubs and started to hit. Sigh.

However, if Ohtani is available.. I'm all in!

[HarthorneWingo]

There have been 3 pitchers ejected since the substance checking...and the only pitchers to be thrown out of a game are by Phil Cuzzi, doesn't that seem fishy???

And you better have more evidence then it was stickier than usual if you are going to toss a future HOF...its a horrible look for MLB to be throwing guys out for rosin (which is a legal substance).

Cuzzi is horrible. I can hear Francesa right now.

[HarthorneWingo]

And David Peterson sucks. When are we getting Verlander back? Jesus.

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And David Peterson sucks. When are we getting Verlander back? Jesus.

Fortunately he still has options. I wonder if Butto or Lucchesi will take his spot when some guys start to come back.

With Scherzer out 2 starts and Verlander & Quintana out, what is our rotation now?

Megill, Senga, Butto, Lucchesi & Peterson I would think. Carrasco's on the DL and Scherzer missing 2 starts due to suspension. That's pretty thin.

[HarthorneWingo]

And David Peterson sucks. When are we getting Verlander back? Jesus.

Fortunately he still has options. I wonder if Butto or Lucchesi will take his spot when some guys start to come back.

With Scherzer out 2 starts and Verlander & Quintana out, what is our rotation now?

Megill, Senga, Butto, Lucchesi & Peterson I would think. Carrasco's on the DL and Scherzer missing 2 starts due to suspension. That's pretty thin.

Thank goodness for the great west coast road trip. Maybe we're not as screwed as it appears. Lucchesi looked dominant and Butto looked capable. Hopefully, we can weather this storm. Might even make us stronger in the long term if these guys can step up their game.

[Jeffrey]

As of 04/23/2023, here are our top prospects in the minors:

Syracuse players to watch
Mark Vientos - .368/.457/.708 6 HRs 17 RBIs 19 games 20 Strikeouts *Playing 1B, 3B and DH in minors*

Ronny Mauricio - .360/.407/.720 6 HRs 15 RBIs *didn't draw a walk this week and already has 5 error in 20 games*


Binghamton players to watch
Dominic Hamel (24 yo) - former 2021 3rd rounder - 3 GS/ 1.59 ERA / 11.1 IP / 12 SO / 11 BB *Holy sh.it his high BB*

Mike Vasil (23 yo) - former 2021 8th rounder - 3 GS / 4.91 ERA / 11.0 IP / 20 SO / 1 BB

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Vasil & Hamil are a year away. I think they'll make a trade or waiver pickup before calling up one of them. Mauricio and/or Vientos probably see majors this year. It's just a matter of when there's an opening.

and in unrelated news,

The Giants have a Tyler Rogers and a Taylor Rogers. . . . Maybe I'm too easily amused by things like that.

[HarthorneWingo]

Vasil & Hamil are a year away. I think they'll make a trade or waiver pickup before calling up one of them. Mauricio and/or Vientos probably see majors this year. It's just a matter of when there's an opening.

and in unrelated news,

The Giants have a Tyler Rogers and a Taylor Rogers. . . . Maybe I'm too easily amused by things like that.

Yes, you are.

But to follow up on a discussion re the kids, Locked On Mets just posted a video on how the Mets should handle them. This is includes when to bring up Vientos and Mauricio.

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Butto has given up 10 walks in 9.2 innings. That's not going to fly.