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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#181 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Jan 4, 2024 6:45 am

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I agree with this.

We dont need an inefficient chucker off the bench.

We do need another playmaker at least though. McBride is bad on offense and stagnates. Grimes just catches and shoots and attacks a closeout sometimes.

Malcolm Brogdon come over.


Brogdon would be great. But Sexton isn't an inefficient chucker. He's consistently near 60% TS.

Also, plenty of champions had bench guys who basically just got buckets.

Vinnie Johnson
Corliss Williamson
Mo Williams
Speights and Barbosa
Portis
Kukoc

The list goes on. It's a pretty common role.

Trade lust gone wild.

Leon clearly has the chips to bolster the roster, but he’s also proven himself to be patient and cautious. If another deal is coming this season it will almost certainly be right up against the deadline, so keep your powder dry and just enjoy the next month or so.

Randle and Brunson are going to put on a damn show. Enjoy it. Maybe one of our young guys or role players steps up and surprises. Sh*t look at Hartenstein. Give it a minute.


You nailed multiple points. Amen

I've grown to respect the patience of this FO even though they've had to recover from some missteps at times.

Warren Buffet said "Don't lose money" and what I like is this FO has not made a fatal move. That's way more important than what many impatient trigger happy fans may realize.

I'm fine with them waiting for the next opportunity, because getting OG and moving RJ in the same deal was the kind of winning trade that makes you profitable even after multiple small losses. So, yeah, let them keep their powder dry and let's give the bench more time to succeed or fail. Our starting unit is now solid enough that we can afford to do stress tests on the rest of the roster until the next trade materializes.
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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#182 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Jan 4, 2024 6:49 am

Just got done watching the game on DVR. My shotgun observations:

More assist opportunities for Brunson without RJ. Second game in a row with double digit assists.

Randle with another efficient offensive game.

iHart playing out of his mind. Beautiful to see. He may be better than Mitch.

Drummond looked serviceable.

DeRozan looked good.

Colby White can shoot the lights out.
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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#183 » by Richard4444 » Thu Jan 4, 2024 6:53 am

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Capn'O wrote:Our starting unit is fire.

We need a microwave bench player. Sexton?


Derozan? He scored 28 points on only 13 shots. He can facilitate, create his own shot, he's efficient and should have a field day against most opposing teams bench defenders. Knicks would be guaranteed to always have someone that can put pressure on opposing teams defenses every minute of the game.


Who would be our starting SG? DeRozan or OG? Its kind of risky. Especially now when our players are finally playing in their proper positions.
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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#184 » by Polk377 » Thu Jan 4, 2024 6:57 am

Great game by Julius, Brunson, OG and I-Hart tonight. The flow is alot better when you only have 2 ball dominant players instead of with RJ and IQ. With that said, the Knicks still need a bench playmaker because Duece isn't it. Murray, Brogdon, Ty Jones, Clarkson or Monte Morris. One of those guys should be had before the deadline.
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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#185 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Jan 4, 2024 6:57 am

OG with a team high +35.

That’s right. +35.

Did I forget to mention that OG was +35 tonight?
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Post#186 » by nykinoz » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:02 am

Hyaena wrote:I'm a bit concerned about the minutes load for JB, Randle, and IHart right now. It's clear our bench is weak... I think the trade is going to bring us a new starting SG so DDV comes off the bench as the spark.


That has to be the plan, i've been saying that since the trade. We need a starting calibre 2 guard.
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Post#187 » by Davis18 » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:03 am

Starting unit seems well balanced w/ OG & Ihart.
OG trade has been win-win for both teams so far.
I am really disappointed at Grimes.. hopefully he picks it up and return to starting unit.

Is it time to sell high on Randle?
I would definitely check it out.
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Post#188 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:04 am

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Hyaena wrote:I'm a bit concerned about the minutes load for JB, Randle, and IHart right now. It's clear our bench is weak... I think the trade is going to bring us a new starting SG so DDV comes off the bench as the spark.


That has to be the plan, i've been saying that since the trade. We need a starting calibre 2 guard.


DeRozan and Drummond?
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Post#189 » by Knick4Real » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:04 am

My thoughts after finally getting to see the game:

- Get ready to give iHart the bag this summer. He has earned it!

- Julius is finally racing down the court and passing out of double/triple teams. I thought I'd never see the day.

- Precious was actually impressive tonight. Nothing special, but he was effective and played his role.

- If Grimes can find his confidence again, he's going to be deadly with the 2nd unit.

- BrunHIM. No more need be said!

- OG. OG. OG. OG. He even smiled tonight. Thank you, basketball gods!!


We might be a piece or 2 away, but dammit we've got us a team!! :nod:
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Post#190 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:05 am

Davis18 wrote:Starting unit seems well balanced w/ OG & Ihart.
OG trade has been win-win for both teams so far.
I am really disappointed at Grimes.. hopefully he picks it up and return to starting unit.

Is it time to sell high on Randle?
I would definitely check it out.

Never gonna happen. He’s playing great. Why would you want to?
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Post#191 » by Knick4Real » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:08 am

Guano wrote:We have some players on this team that are impossible to not like
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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#192 » by The Lamma » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:13 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:OG with a team high +35.

That’s right. +35.

Did I forget to mention that OG was +35 tonight?



You forgot the best part. Tonight he was +35!

It's such a ridiculous number for one game it doesn't even look right

OG is the O.G.
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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#193 » by Davis18 » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:16 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Davis18 wrote:Starting unit seems well balanced w/ OG & Ihart.
OG trade has been win-win for both teams so far.
I am really disappointed at Grimes.. hopefully he picks it up and return to starting unit.

Is it time to sell high on Randle?
I would definitely check it out.

Never gonna happen. He’s playing great. Why would you want to?



I know he is playing great right now.
But we have been down on this road couple of times before.
Maybe he finally become consistent w/ OG next to him.
Are we satisfied with him being 1A or 2 option.. I don't know.
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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#194 » by Richard4444 » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:25 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Davis18 wrote:Starting unit seems well balanced w/ OG & Ihart.
OG trade has been win-win for both teams so far.
I am really disappointed at Grimes.. hopefully he picks it up and return to starting unit.

Is it time to sell high on Randle?
I would definitely check it out.

Never gonna happen. He’s playing great. Why would you want to?


Randle may demand a 55M+/y to re-sign in 2025.
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Post#195 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:26 am

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HarthorneWingo wrote:OG with a team high +35.

That’s right. +35.

Did I forget to mention that OG was +35 tonight?



You forgot the best part. Tonight he was +35!

It's such a ridiculous number for one game it doesn't even look right

OG is the O.G.

No doubt about it. Him just standing in the corner must be worth at least $10M per year.
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Post#196 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:30 am

Richard4444 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Davis18 wrote:Starting unit seems well balanced w/ OG & Ihart.
OG trade has been win-win for both teams so far.
I am really disappointed at Grimes.. hopefully he picks it up and return to starting unit.

Is it time to sell high on Randle?
I would definitely check it out.

Never gonna happen. He’s playing great. Why would you want to?


Randle may demand a 55M+/y to re-sign in 2025.

It's gonna be The Max and we'll give it to him. I think he's earned it. Right now, I think that right now he's playing better than Melo played for us. Just look at his stats the last two games with OG in the lineup. Both he and Brunson have so much more space to operate. We look like a different team.

If we can get DeRozan, I think we can contend for and ECF.
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Post#197 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:30 am

Randle's remaining career will be judged on his playoff performances

If he doesn't break through when it counts, he'll barely be remembered after he retires

Play well when it counts and he can punch his ticket on his next contract

Fail in the playoffs and he's just another journeyman player the rest of the way
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Post#198 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:36 am

Davis18 wrote:
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Davis18 wrote:Starting unit seems well balanced w/ OG & Ihart.
OG trade has been win-win for both teams so far.
I am really disappointed at Grimes.. hopefully he picks it up and return to starting unit.

Is it time to sell high on Randle?
I would definitely check it out.

Never gonna happen. He’s playing great. Why would you want to?



I know he is playing great right now.
But we have been down on this road couple of times before.
Maybe he finally become consistent w/ OG next to him.
Are we satisfied with him being 1A or 2 option.. I don't know.


Well, context matters. Randle had that one series against the Hawks and it was bad. But he didn't have any help from the other players or the coaching staff. Elfrid was our PG? RJ was a sophomore and IQ was a rookie. Last year, he played on a bum ankle that required surgery. I think he should get credit for just getting himself on the court yet others here criticize him for it. Makes no sense to me. Julius has proved to me that he is a warrior despite his lapses when he gets frustrated over the non-calls. I'd rather that than nonchalance. In any event, he's improving his mental approach to the game this season ... so far.

Finally, who would you trade him for now? I mean like, in reality. Who's available that could replace his production?
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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#199 » by ScienceOfLosing » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:38 am

Adelheid wrote:true, bench turned to abso dog shat

need some reinforcements


Yep. I would have rather given up Grimes or firsts than Quick.
Our bench looks average minus.

Quick next to Brunson with DD on the bench.
I guess we’ll use a pick or two to bolster the bench. Deuce not that guy (for a while if ever. Sad to say.)
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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#200 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:38 am

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He's "precious". Oh wait.

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