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[rajajackal]

everybody hated obi

i loved obi. he's from bushwick and he was a good bench player for us

i get the local thing - but it had to suck seeing how it turned out. he never should have came here - fo fault. it was a bad fit for his skills with randle in front of him. couple it with the fact they passed on hali just a terrible circumstance for everyone.

leon rose and brock aller are sociopaths. now that i can look at the big picture in totality, it's clear brunson and kat was always the endgame. so i don't think there's a world where we draft haliburton, even though i wanted him going into the draft and it was the no-brainer basketball move at the time

[Guano]

A lot of players have been boo'd in NY. Randle is not the first, last or best player to be boo'd.

Younger players we draft just get more lee-way, and rightfully so, as there is a period of development that needs to happen over vets we sign as free agents. But even with RJ, there has been plenty of critiscm directed his way. There has probably been more negative things written about RJ over the past few years then any other Knick so its not like he received a pass.

But yea, Randle was boo'd more. Partly due to being the vet, partly for the lack of effort and body language...some critiscm deserved, maybe over the top at times. But that does come with the territory of playing in NY. Randle had some really awful stretches and was boo'd for it. I dont think its really anything too deep. Fans arent gonna sit quitely and golf clap when the team is mediocre and players are loafing it. That isnt going to happen in NY. Someone is going to get boo'd.

In the end, Knicks have a really good team and great foundation.

only way this sht is true is if we're doing a word count on chanel's post because ain't no fcking way


as to your point it's pretty subjective who we feel deserves more criticism for the a lot of the same issues - the top 3 pick or the FA on his 3rd team in 6 years.

In the end they both helped us get to where we are at. I thank them both for their service. Knicks are in a great spot right now. I dont get why there is any bitterness over any of this.

This board really is full of bad people.

[3toheadmelo]

Thank god we have Mikal and OG now!

Barrett has struggled, according to the advanced stats, on the defensive end. His defensive rating on the season is 116.6, the second-worst on the team after Jalen Brunson. In January, it rose to 121.0 — nearly 12 points higher than his defensive rating in December — and the Knicks were outscored by 7.4 points per 100 possessions when Barrett was on the floor. As a primary defender, Barrett is allowing the opposition to shoot 46.1 percent from the field and 35.8 percent from 3-point range. As a team, the Knicks are holding opponents to 45.4 and 35.1, respectively.

[3toheadmelo]

oh looks like we're just conveniently forgetting when thibs called out rj in the press for not being in the gym enough.

Toronto's head coach just called out RJ for his trash defense and effort last week as well. Some things just never change folks!

“I think RJ's defensive effort and importance on defense this year has to rise just because of the needs of our team and our desire to improve our defense,” Raptors coach Darko Rajaković told reporters in Montreal on Wednesday.

[KnixinSix]

i loved obi. he's from bushwick and he was a good bench player for us

i get the local thing - but it had to suck seeing how it turned out. he never should have came here - fo fault. it was a bad fit for his skills with randle in front of him. couple it with the fact they passed on hali just a terrible circumstance for everyone.

leon rose and brock aller are sociopaths. now that i can look at the big picture in totality, it's clear brunson and kat was always the endgame. so i don't think there's a world where we draft haliburton, even though i wanted him going into the draft and it was the no-brainer basketball move at the time

Yup. Certainly seems that way. And KAT is a better fit for this team makeup than Randle.

Wonder if we guard Randle mainly with OG today....

[Guano]

A lot of players have been boo'd in NY. Randle is not the first, last or best player to be boo'd.

Younger players we draft just get more lee-way, and rightfully so, as there is a period of development that needs to happen over vets we sign as free agents. But even with RJ, there has been plenty of critiscm directed his way. There has probably been more negative things written about RJ over the past few years then any other Knick so its not like he received a pass.

But yea, Randle was boo'd more. Partly due to being the vet, partly for the lack of effort and body language...some critiscm deserved, maybe over the top at times. But that does come with the territory of playing in NY. Randle had some really awful stretches and was boo'd for it. I dont think its really anything too deep. Fans arent gonna sit quitely and golf clap when the team is mediocre and players are loafing it. That isnt going to happen in NY. Someone is going to get boo'd.

In the end, Knicks have a really good team and great foundation.

only way this sht is true is if we're doing a word count on chanel's post because ain't no fcking way


as to your point it's pretty subjective who we feel deserves more criticism for the a lot of the same issues - the top 3 pick or the FA on his 3rd team in 6 years.

This board used Randle as their punching bag after every loss while hyping up RJ's empty stats

most of the complaints about randle are valid. i liked that he was kinda the last guy standing for us - no one really wanted him and no one wanted us - 3rd team in 6 years. he overachieved here. but he is a hard dude to really fck with - he is moody, had shtty effort at times, doesn't get along with others well. i mean i can relate to all of that - but that isn't an easy person to love. it takes effort. i don't like the realization that I just typed a paragraph arguing against my stance so i'll just say that it is equally hard to like a silver spoon young player who has skill, talent and work ethic issues that everyone wants to give a free pass too. like deeeeeez said i'm glad both are gone. and that we can make fun of KAT now.

[Guano]

i loved obi. he's from bushwick and he was a good bench player for us

i get the local thing - but it had to suck seeing how it turned out. he never should have came here - fo fault. it was a bad fit for his skills with randle in front of him. couple it with the fact they passed on hali just a terrible circumstance for everyone.

leon rose and brock aller are sociopaths. now that i can look at the big picture in totality, it's clear brunson and kat was always the endgame. so i don't think there's a world where we draft haliburton, even though i wanted him going into the draft and it was the no-brainer basketball move at the time

they're extremely good at not letting their mistakes ruin em. they've definitely made a handful of glaring ones but their ability to adjust is so impressive.

I didn't like hali or obi in that draft but was resigned to us taking hali. obi was the one guy I didn't want us to take. all things considered i'm more than happy with where the knicks are at.

[JayTWill]

Can we get a little Thibs hate in this thread for allowing our highest paid players to play no defense while pounding the air out of the ball on the offensive end?

[3toheadmelo]

only way this sht is true is if we're doing a word count on chanel's post because ain't no fcking way


as to your point it's pretty subjective who we feel deserves more criticism for the a lot of the same issues - the top 3 pick or the FA on his 3rd team in 6 years.

This board used Randle as their punching bag after every loss while hyping up RJ's empty stats

most of the complaints about randle are valid. i liked that he was kinda the last guy standing for us - no one really wanted him and no one wanted us - 3rd team in 6 years. he overachieved here. but he is a hard dude to really fck with - he is moody, had shtty effort at times, doesn't get along with others well. i mean i can relate to all of that - but that isn't an easy person to love. it takes effort. i don't like the realization that I just typed a paragraph arguing against my stance so i'll just say that it is equally hard to like a silver spoon young player who has skill, talent and work ethic issues that everyone wants to give a free pass too. like deeeeeez said i'm glad both are gone. and that we can make fun of KAT now.

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[rajajackal]

i get the local thing - but it had to suck seeing how it turned out. he never should have came here - fo fault. it was a bad fit for his skills with randle in front of him. couple it with the fact they passed on hali just a terrible circumstance for everyone.

leon rose and brock aller are sociopaths. now that i can look at the big picture in totality, it's clear brunson and kat was always the endgame. so i don't think there's a world where we draft haliburton, even though i wanted him going into the draft and it was the no-brainer basketball move at the time

they're extremely good at not letting their mistakes ruin em. they've definitely made a handful of glaring ones but their ability to adjust is so impressive.

I didn't like hali or obi in that draft but was resigned to us taking hali. obi was the one guy I didn't want us to take. all things considered i'm more than happy with where the knicks are at.

i also dreaded an obi pick and hated it on draft night. but he won me over very quickly. hard player to hate (as a hometown knick. very easy to hate as a pacer)

met his dad one time at a game too he was just roaming around in the 100's section where i like to sit lol

[Jalen Bluntson]

i get the local thing - but it had to suck seeing how it turned out. he never should have came here - fo fault. it was a bad fit for his skills with randle in front of him. couple it with the fact they passed on hali just a terrible circumstance for everyone.

leon rose and brock aller are sociopaths. now that i can look at the big picture in totality, it's clear brunson and kat was always the endgame. so i don't think there's a world where we draft haliburton, even though i wanted him going into the draft and it was the no-brainer basketball move at the time

Yup. Certainly seems that way. And KAT is a better fit for this team makeup than Randle.

Wonder if we guard Randle mainly with OG today....

Randle isn't playing.

[Guano]

This board used Randle as their punching bag after every loss while hyping up RJ's empty stats

most of the complaints about randle are valid. i liked that he was kinda the last guy standing for us - no one really wanted him and no one wanted us - 3rd team in 6 years. he overachieved here. but he is a hard dude to really fck with - he is moody, had shtty effort at times, doesn't get along with others well. i mean i can relate to all of that - but that isn't an easy person to love. it takes effort. i don't like the realization that I just typed a paragraph arguing against my stance so i'll just say that it is equally hard to like a silver spoon young player who has skill, talent and work ethic issues that everyone wants to give a free pass too. like deeeeeez said i'm glad both are gone. and that we can make fun of KAT now.

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tbh I fck with him being a lil weird.

what i don't like is him shooting like sht in the wcf and his attitude being

[3toheadmelo]

i get the local thing - but it had to suck seeing how it turned out. he never should have came here - fo fault. it was a bad fit for his skills with randle in front of him. couple it with the fact they passed on hali just a terrible circumstance for everyone.

leon rose and brock aller are sociopaths. now that i can look at the big picture in totality, it's clear brunson and kat was always the endgame. so i don't think there's a world where we draft haliburton, even though i wanted him going into the draft and it was the no-brainer basketball move at the time

they're extremely good at not letting their mistakes ruin em. they've definitely made a handful of glaring ones but their ability to adjust is so impressive.

I didn't like hali or obi in that draft but was resigned to us taking hali. obi was the one guy I didn't want us to take. all things considered i'm more than happy with where the knicks are at.

Obi made his death bed though when he did this

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[Guano]

leon rose and brock aller are sociopaths. now that i can look at the big picture in totality, it's clear brunson and kat was always the endgame. so i don't think there's a world where we draft haliburton, even though i wanted him going into the draft and it was the no-brainer basketball move at the time

Yup. Certainly seems that way. And KAT is a better fit for this team makeup than Randle.

Wonder if we guard Randle mainly with OG today....

Randle isn't playing.

the sun rises and melo ruining a thread and randle not getting up for big games - things you can count on

[3toheadmelo]

most of the complaints about randle are valid. i liked that he was kinda the last guy standing for us - no one really wanted him and no one wanted us - 3rd team in 6 years. he overachieved here. but he is a hard dude to really fck with - he is moody, had shtty effort at times, doesn't get along with others well. i mean i can relate to all of that - but that isn't an easy person to love. it takes effort. i don't like the realization that I just typed a paragraph arguing against my stance so i'll just say that it is equally hard to like a silver spoon young player who has skill, talent and work ethic issues that everyone wants to give a free pass too. like deeeeeez said i'm glad both are gone. and that we can make fun of KAT now.

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tbh I fck with him being a lil weird.

what i don't like is him shooting like sht in the wcf and his attitude being

He shot the timberwolves out of that series you gotta hope he doesnt do that schit here

[robillionaire]

Randle didnt come here to save the franchise. He came for the money and chance to put up empty stats being the #1 scoring option

Brunson on the other hand left unprecedented amount of money on the table so that Knicks can build a monster team

we were the actual worst team in the NBA and just struck out on Zion and then struck out on everyone else in free agency because nobody wanted to come here at all, nobody even wanted to take Dolan’s money to ruin their career. But he came, and he left money on the table when he extended early the first time. When Brunson came here we’d at least made the playoffs recently and had a competent coach with an all star on the team a lot of assets and some building blocks in place

He could have just mailed it in like everyone else does after Dolan paid them but instead he won most improved player and racked up enough accolades to where we could trade him for an established all star all nba center

Even with being here the first year with Fizdale’s disaster of a team, he had an overall winning record with the Knicks, a difficult feat for this franchise. Culminating in a great trade that makes us one of the NBA’s best teams. Not like Melo, who we ultimately had to trade for virtually nothing and the team left in shambles. Look at what this team was before he got here, vs now.

I wouldn’t change a thing, glad about the trade as well

I hear people say that Randle left money on the table but did he get the maximum amount of money he could get at the time he signed his extension or are you only talking about that he didn't wait until his contract expired when he could have re-upped for a 5 year max?

Honestly if Randle did not re-up when he did i'm not sure if he would have still been in New York after the 2021-22 season if he was not traded before then. With that playoff performance followed up with that 21-22 season he probably wouldn't have been offered near as much as he was for extending early and his career may have taken a completely different path. That early extension may have been more of a blessing for him than the Knicks.

It’s hard to say but my point was he could have chosen to wait a year for more money, like Brunson this summer, and didn’t do that. also worth mentioning that his contract had incentives for making the all star team and making the playoffs and he actually earned those incentives in the following year, another example of him not mailing it in after he got the contract extension

I’d say for a multi time all star he’s gotta be underpaid. The following two years of making the playoffs with him making all star teams showed the 2021-2022 season was mostly not his fault, I don’t want to get into it but there were a lot of deep problems with that roster construction that led to the team’s regression one of the main reasons was opting not to play through Randle like they did the year prior and instead opting to play more through worse players, and then Kemba breaking down and clashing with the coach in a state of denial about how much he had left in the tank. Adding Fournier to the starting lineup was also a fatal mistake

[Phish Tank]

To Randle's credit, he left New York better than when he first arrived here (obviously excluding guys who we drafted). If you told the 2019 versions of us that Randle would be an multi-time All-Star, a willing, even if flawed, 3 point shooter, a passing hub.... we'd be laughing at ourselves.

I think people do and should appreciate Randle's successes here because he and the teamed put in the work to become an All-Star. This is different from someone with more gifted talent like Melo & Amare, who were shoe-ins to start the All-Star games. I think fans can enjoy it.

Obviously, we were at a different inflection point this summer due to the salary cap and the trajectory of our team. Therefore, we had to make this trade, even if painful.

I think we'll succeed with KAT and the Wolves will be fine with Randle.

[robillionaire]

only way this sht is true is if we're doing a word count on chanel's post because ain't no fcking way


as to your point it's pretty subjective who we feel deserves more criticism for the a lot of the same issues - the top 3 pick or the FA on his 3rd team in 6 years.

This board used Randle as their punching bag after every loss while hyping up RJ's empty stats

most of the complaints about randle are valid. i liked that he was kinda the last guy standing for us - no one really wanted him and no one wanted us - 3rd team in 6 years. he overachieved here. but he is a hard dude to really fck with - he is moody, had shtty effort at times, doesn't get along with others well. i mean i can relate to all of that - but that isn't an easy person to love. it takes effort. i don't like the realization that I just typed a paragraph arguing against my stance so i'll just say that it is equally hard to like a silver spoon young player who has skill, talent and work ethic issues that everyone wants to give a free pass too. like deeeeeez said i'm glad both are gone. and that we can make fun of KAT now.

No.

The good news is Randle’s biggest haters have to support the trade and root for Towns or else it might start to look like trading Randle was a bad idea. So I can finally root for my Towns in peace without that much hostility. Melo will fall in line eventually. This is what movies is made of

[3toheadmelo]

This board used Randle as their punching bag after every loss while hyping up RJ's empty stats

most of the complaints about randle are valid. i liked that he was kinda the last guy standing for us - no one really wanted him and no one wanted us - 3rd team in 6 years. he overachieved here. but he is a hard dude to really fck with - he is moody, had shtty effort at times, doesn't get along with others well. i mean i can relate to all of that - but that isn't an easy person to love. it takes effort. i don't like the realization that I just typed a paragraph arguing against my stance so i'll just say that it is equally hard to like a silver spoon young player who has skill, talent and work ethic issues that everyone wants to give a free pass too. like deeeeeez said i'm glad both are gone. and that we can make fun of KAT now.

No.

The good news is Randle’s biggest haters have to support the trade and root for Towns or else it might start to look like trading Randle was a bad idea. So I can finally root for my Towns in peace without that much hostility. Melo will fall in line eventually. This is what movies is made of

I'll fall in line if you send me 10 packs of oreos weekly

[rajajackal]

most of the complaints about randle are valid. i liked that he was kinda the last guy standing for us - no one really wanted him and no one wanted us - 3rd team in 6 years. he overachieved here. but he is a hard dude to really fck with - he is moody, had shtty effort at times, doesn't get along with others well. i mean i can relate to all of that - but that isn't an easy person to love. it takes effort. i don't like the realization that I just typed a paragraph arguing against my stance so i'll just say that it is equally hard to like a silver spoon young player who has skill, talent and work ethic issues that everyone wants to give a free pass too. like deeeeeez said i'm glad both are gone. and that we can make fun of KAT now.

No.

The good news is Randle’s biggest haters have to support the trade and root for Towns or else it might start to look like trading Randle was a bad idea. So I can finally root for my Towns in peace without that much hostility. Melo will fall in line eventually. This is what movies is made of

I'll fall in line if you send me 10 packs of oreos weekly

was this the endgame all along?