PG: Bulls On Parade

[G_K_F]

If the bench doesn’t improve before the deadline and if the front office doesn’t force Thibs to play 9-10 guys consistently then this team as constructed is going nowhere this year.

[3toheadmelo]

[TKKnicks1]

13 out of the next 16 games are at home. No excuses now.

[GettinitDone]

Don’t forget Jericho sims had thibs golden seal earlier. Man was pointing at defensive stats and rim FG% when questioned why he’s playing over Huk

Then he actually showed us something during a few stretches with his rebounding and defense. Now he’s DNP every game. Thibs just doesn’t make any sense even in his own head and once he has more than 8 players to play his brain turns to mush

If KAT doesn't play in next few games, suddenly Sims is gonna start and play 30 mpg... he will say Sims reminds him of Dwight Howard in his prime defensively aka do ANYthing to make sure Huk doesn't get any playing time but totally contradict himself these past few weeks giving Sims DNP-CDs

Not 10 months ago I was defending Thibs minutes allocation with such vigor. It was pretty obvious in yesterday's game most of the starters were gassed. Not trying to develop the bench during the light schedule seems like such a bonehead move on his part. If he isn't going to trust the bench against teams like Washington, he isn't going to trust the bench against better teams.

Maybe he thinks he has to play 4-5 rooks/ bench guys and pull all the starters out and the bench guys're gonna hurt the team. I can't understand why he can't put just 1 rook and play him with 4 other starters to hide the rook's "perceived deficiencies". Noone is telling Thibs to play all the rooks/ bench guys together... just stagger the mins with the starters... that way the team can slowly develop the rooks, utilizing the bench and giving the starters fresher legs going into final minutes. Thibs gonna Thibs.

[TKKnicks1]

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

27th in DRTG in the 4th quarter for the season

In our losses the 4th quarter DRTG is 135.6 It's not hard to figure out what's happening here, but some of you are still in denial about it. Most of our losses are hard fought games 1-3 where we implode in the 4th and get slumped.

[Context]

Yeah Thibs needs to adjust or gotta go. FO heavily invested in this core for the next 5 years. We can’t run the risk of having these guys get seriously hurt. The bench needs to play more. I’m ok with 50 wins if it means our team is rested and healthy come playoff time. We’ve shown we can hang with almost anybody. But we need this team healthy for the future.

somebody made the point that in this era -to be sustainable you must play a longer rotation...I didnt think about this enough...
makes a ton of sense now...Its clear to me our players cant sustain great offense and defense for 4 quarter for 82 games and 16 wins in the playoffs...

[Context]

27th in DRTG in the 4th quarter for the season

In our losses the 4th quarter DRTG is 135.6 It's not hard to figure out what's happening here, but some of you are still in denial about it. Most of our losses are hard fought games 1-3 where we implode in the 4th and get slumped.

when i saw these stats for the first time thats when it really registered for me...I dont care if you have the perfect 5 starters in the league- they can not sustain winning it all by themselves...

[GettinitDone]

27th in DRTG in the 4th quarter for the season

In our losses the 4th quarter DRTG is 135.6 It's not hard to figure out what's happening here, but some of you are still in denial about it. Most of our losses are hard fought games 1-3 where we implode in the 4th and get slumped.

Yeh some said we're in a bitter/ pity party for wanting Thibs gone

Very proud of the team against OKC for the first 3 quarters, the Thunder seemed a little exasperated and lost. But 4th q came around, they sensed our tired legs if they just kept pushing good things would happen and they did. Once a crack was found in the dam, a defensive breakdown occurred like leaving Wiggins open for a 3 in transition and then more defensive breakdowns for the next few possessions in a row. They're all manifestation of scattered focus from tired legs/ shot fatigue.

[Context]

13 out of the next 16 games are at home. No excuses now.

its not about excuses- if Thibs doesnt expand this rotation- we are going to get the same result. Players are going to get rested have a great game- then play 5 games over 7 days(for example) and 9 game winning streaks will be broken. Fans will then scream- the knicks are pretenders etc etc...This is on the front office and coaching not the players...Leadership is in their control.

[Context]

27th in DRTG in the 4th quarter for the season

In our losses the 4th quarter DRTG is 135.6 It's not hard to figure out what's happening here, but some of you are still in denial about it. Most of our losses are hard fought games 1-3 where we implode in the 4th and get slumped.

Yeh some said we're in a bitter/ pity party for wanting Thibs gone

Very proud of the team against OKC for the first 3 quarters, the Thunder seemed a little exasperated and lost. But 4th q came around, they sensed our tired legs if they just kept pushing good things would happen and they did. Once a crack was found in the dam, a defensive breakdown occurred like leaving Wiggins open for a 3 in transition and then more defensive breakdowns for the next few possessions in a row. They're all manifestation of scattered focus from tired legs/ shot fatigue.

ive watched all our games and ive noticed in many of those loses we started giving up open threes...Again, you cant expect players to play great offense and defense for 4 full quarters when its only 6 guys

[GettinitDone]

Yeah Thibs needs to adjust or gotta go. FO heavily invested in this core for the next 5 years. We can’t run the risk of having these guys get seriously hurt. The bench needs to play more. I’m ok with 50 wins if it means our team is rested and healthy come playoff time. We’ve shown we can hang with almost anybody. But we need this team healthy for the future.

somebody made the point that in this era -to be sustainable you must play a longer rotation...I didnt think about this enough...
makes a ton of sense now...Its clear to me our players cant sustain great offense and defense for 4 quarter for 82 games and 16 wins in the playoffs...

I researched a little, not comprehensive by any means, but am willing to bet almost ALL, if NOT ALL the teams that reached at least conference finals in the past 20-30 years had a roster of at least 9 players in consistent rotation.

Thibs was cheeky putting Kolek, Toppin, Sims, Ryan for the final minute last night so he could boast claiming he played 11 guys. These guys literally had ALL donuts on the stat sheet lmao

[Jose7]

This is all fatigue driven. Quality of play in the 4th and on the road has dropped off…

Guys need rest. They crushed it after the hawks loss (no tournament)

They will get it going again.

[GettinitDone]

This is all fatigue driven. Quality of play in the 4th and on the road has dropped off…

Guys need rest. They crushed it after the hawks loss (no tournament)

They will get it going again.

The 9 game w streak was all beating **** teams like Wizards (twice), Raptors, Jazz and a decimated Magic team. The "impressive" wins were maybe at Wolves and Spurs (at home). But the Spurs and Wolves are .500 teams.

The Wizards' first game was a scare/ we coulda lost, but the Wizards regrouped focus and decided they wanted Flagg more than they did the W

[thebuzzardman]

What happened to Hukporti? I mean the guy was putting in some quality minutes when Thibs actually gave him some at the beginning of the season. He'll never evolve being regulated to the bench. Why does it take injuries to get these guys some playing time?

He sucks

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Thibs handling of the rotation could obviously improve and the bench definitely needs some upgrades but I still don't understand some of the thinking that occurred in the off-season as far as the roster construction. Why did a team built around a small point guard in Brunson backed up by another small guard in McBride draft a soon to be 24 year old point guard then proceed to sign another veteran point guard in Payne? And after they did all that why did they give Hart the role of a point guard also?

After seeing McBride's limitations as a creator last season I can understand drafting an older NBA ready point guard in Kolek but Brunson/McBride/Kolek should have been enough at the 1 imo.

I can understand adding Payne so Thibs has his comfort blanket of an on-ball guard that can create something out of nothing on the bench but not after already adding an older 3rd PG in Kolek just to bury him.

I can understand giving Hart more of an on-ball role to take advantage of some of his ability as a creator and limit some of the disadvantages of him as an off-ball spacer but why have so many small point guards if that was the plan?

Even when Kolek does get minutes a lot of the time he is playing off-ball to Payne, McBride or Hart. Why draft a small true point guard to be an off-ball 3 and D player next to other small perimeter players? And if you were to try one of the rookies in that role wouldn't Pacome make more sense?

I know the KAT trade probably shook some things up but apparently they had been trying to make that deal all off-season and they wanted to keep DDV out of the deal. Was the plan to once again give Thibs of all coaches a team with a ton of smaller perimeter players with limitations defensively just to play at one of the slowest paces in the league again?

In a league where wings with length are highly valued why build a team with a ton of small perimeter depth, a ton of questionable center depth and no wing depth? I know options were probably limited on the wings but the areas where they have depth is overkill especially if Thibs won't use those options.

They have a preference for combo guards, we've only drafted 1 player over 6'7" that plays on the wing and it's Pacome and I was shocked we took him. I'm starting to think Pacome was supposed to be a draft and stash but decided to come over and messed up their plans It seems like Tom prefers having 2 guard lineups on his bench, it's been a mainstay since Rose and him got here and they seem to prioritize that in free agency and the draft.


People keep talking about Mitch coming back like that's going to fix the issues with the 3 wings playing too much, but he's going to just bump Precious' minutes down. They're going to have to play Pacome or trade to get a wing that will play.

[sol537]

Hopefully these last two games were a wake up call for Thibs but if the past is any indication, it won’t be.

He’s just gotta sprinkle in more of the bench with the starters throughout the game to minimize their negative impact (perceived negative impact) so he could have fresh guys to close out the game in the fourth quarter. How does every coach realize this except Thibs? Maniac.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

27th in DRTG in the 4th quarter for the season

In our losses the 4th quarter DRTG is 135.6 It's not hard to figure out what's happening here, but some of you are still in denial about it. Most of our losses are hard fought games 1-3 where we implode in the 4th and get slumped.

Yeh some said we're in a bitter/ pity party for wanting Thibs gone

Very proud of the team against OKC for the first 3 quarters, the Thunder seemed a little exasperated and lost. But 4th q came around, they sensed our tired legs if they just kept pushing good things would happen and they did. Once a crack was found in the dam, a defensive breakdown occurred like leaving Wiggins open for a 3 in transition and then more defensive breakdowns for the next few possessions in a row. They're all manifestation of scattered focus from tired legs/ shot fatigue.

He's the white Doc Rivers, people like Doc and keep giving him more chances, people like Tom and just can't see that we may need a younger coach that thinks outside the box to take the next level. It's the same thing, you'd think he's won us multiple titles the way people talk about him.


The stats you show people are the most telling thing, they can ignore them all they want but this is a tired team.

First 3 quarters opponent 3-point shooting
36.3%

4th quarter
39.4%


4th quarter in losses
49.5%


That's a higher percentage from three against us in losses than guys get at the rim against rim protectors.

[MrDollarBills]

27th in DRTG in the 4th quarter for the season

In our losses the 4th quarter DRTG is 135.6 It's not hard to figure out what's happening here, but some of you are still in denial about it. Most of our losses are hard fought games 1-3 where we implode in the 4th and get slumped.

This is literally it. I'm not sure why this is even questionable at this point, the guys are gassed out by the 4th.

I'm not even a big Sims guy but ffs I'd rather he get 10 to 12 mins over KAT sucking for oxygen like a fish in the 4th.

Thibs doesn't need to do hockey line up changes either. Stagger minutes for the starters and mix and match the kids with the vets.

Thibs is a psychopath. It's f*cking JANUARY. Open up the bench and let guys play. If sh*t happens, so what? I'll take KAT, Brunson, Hart, OG, and Mikal with fresh legs to start the 4th down 4 points over being up 10 with them dead legged and losing by 8. His entire approach is asinine

[MrDollarBills]

27th in DRTG in the 4th quarter for the season

In our losses the 4th quarter DRTG is 135.6 It's not hard to figure out what's happening here, but some of you are still in denial about it. Most of our losses are hard fought games 1-3 where we implode in the 4th and get slumped.

Yeh some said we're in a bitter/ pity party for wanting Thibs gone

Very proud of the team against OKC for the first 3 quarters, the Thunder seemed a little exasperated and lost. But 4th q came around, they sensed our tired legs if they just kept pushing good things would happen and they did. Once a crack was found in the dam, a defensive breakdown occurred like leaving Wiggins open for a 3 in transition and then more defensive breakdowns for the next few possessions in a row. They're all manifestation of scattered focus from tired legs/ shot fatigue.

ive watched all our games and ive noticed in many of those loses we started giving up open threes...Again, you cant expect players to play great offense and defense for 4 full quarters when its only 6 guys

OG, Josh, and KAT look like they're about keel over at any moment by the 4th and yet people are shocked when they're a step slow on their rotations and getting to their spots on defense.