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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Ray Williams wrote:WaltFrazier wrote:Seemed like a no brainer. We could be using him and still waiting to see if Mitch could also contribute
Nurkic is buried on the bench there. Is he worth trading for as a backup C, Mitch and Jericho works. I haven’t seen enough of Nurkic.
Nope, Nurkic is completely finished as a rotational player.
Richard4444 wrote:WaltFrazier wrote:ScienceOfLosing wrote:Phoenix been winning and Nic Richards putting up stats since the 2nd rounders trade.
Why didn’t we get him? We have so many 2nds and a need.
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Seemed like a no brainer. We could be using him and still waiting to see if Mitch could also contribute
How would we match Nic"s 5M salary?
B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:Richard4444 wrote:WaltFrazier wrote:Seemed like a no brainer. We could be using him and still waiting to see if Mitch could also contribute
How would we match Nic"s 5M salary?
By sending Precious and Sims and using the space to sign TJ and Okeke
Juco24 wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Ray Williams wrote:Nurkic is buried on the bench there. Is he worth trading for as a backup C, Mitch and Jericho works. I haven’t seen enough of Nurkic.
Nope, Nurkic is completely finished as a rotational player.
Agreed. Dude's horrible
WaltFrazier wrote:ScienceOfLosing wrote:Phoenix been winning and Nic Richards putting up stats since the 2nd rounders trade.
Why didn’t we get him? We have so many 2nds and a need.
F
Seemed like a no brainer. We could be using him and still waiting to see if Mitch could also contribute
JayTWill wrote:BowlRips wrote:JayTWill wrote:At this point I wouldn't mind punting on the season and attempting to put the team in a better position to make a move in the off-season. I feel like the team has too many issues to truly contend this year. If someone like Precious isn't considered to be part of the core going forward I would rather trade him now then potentially lose his salary slot this off-season.
For example if I could trade Precious and Payne to OKC for the extra year on Dieng's contract (6.6M) while upgrading the Wizards pick to one of OKC's 1sts this year I would do it. It could force Thibs to play some of the young guys since they are not gaining any experience or value sitting on the bench and it would open up space and money to take a look at someone like Okeke from the G-League. I don't know if Dieng will ever develop into a rotational player but he does fit the physical description of the type of players the Knicks lack right now.
Even if Dieng doesn't show anything going into the off-season they would hopefully have a healthy Mitch, a real 1st, a young player or two that may have shown some promise by the end of this season, along with Dieng's salary and their collection of 2nd round picks to get a true difference maker(s) rather than the collection of 2nds, unproven young guys, end of rotation guys and an injured Mitch that they have to offer now.
I thought about this…
If your going to punt then the way to do it would be to try to acquire some future draft capital to open up future trade possibilities.
Not advocating for it but the move would be:
Mitch and one of Payne/Sims to Phoenix for Nurkic and the ‘27 and ‘29 first round picks that Phoenix just acquired.
I think Phx would have to know Robinson was healthy but this gets them out of the the 2/37m left on Nurkic deal, gets them a center who fits and reduces their luxury tax bill.
For NYK to make this work they’d need to incorporate Achiuwa for a minimum (Seth curry?) but the long term the Knicks would have almost a full cupboard of future draft assets.
25 Washington
26 own
27 lesser of CLE/Utah/Minn
28 own (subject to swap
29 lesser of CLE/Utah/Minn
30 own
32 own
All you’re missing is the 31 pick from having no trade restrictions at all.
They’d go into the summer with Nurkic 18m expiring deal and tradeable first round picks.. pretty decent package to land an impact player.
For the rest of this season they have Nurkic spelling KAT and Seth Curry in the Payne role.
I’m not saying to do it, but I’m saying if you want to punt - then the goal would be to alleviate the Stepian rule complications.
I would love to do that but unfortunately Mitch will likely have to show he is healthy for an extended period to have any value which is part of the reason i'd rather wait until the off-season to make a move to get better and i'm not even sure if healthy Mitch has the value to bring in 2 firsts with his injury history. The young guys can't touch the court so their value is diminishing.
Trading Mitch or the young guys at this point would be selling low and I would expect a low return. Trading guys like Payne and Precious at this point would be selling high imo on their limited value as they likely won't have any trade value this off-season since they won't be under contract. I don't know how much of a step back the team would take moving them.
Payne fluctuates from a bench player that plays 2 halves to 1.5 halves to 1 half because Thibs is going to Thibs. If a soon to be 24 year old Kolek absorbed that 5-15 minute role or Deuce and Shamet absorbed his minutes i'm not sure how big of a drop off it would be. Payne has performed far better than I expected but Thibs hasn't shown much faith in most of the bench no matter what.
Precious provides someone that can give you minutes at the 4 and the 5 but the last time Mitch was healthy Precious fell out of the rotation completely. You never know with Thibs if he will keep him in the rotation this year if Mitch returns. Both Cam and Precious could easily begin the playoffs out of the rotation just as they both did last year. I would love to get something of value for them while I could.
thebuzzardman wrote:JayTWill wrote:BowlRips wrote:
I thought about this…
If your going to punt then the way to do it would be to try to acquire some future draft capital to open up future trade possibilities.
Not advocating for it but the move would be:
Mitch and one of Payne/Sims to Phoenix for Nurkic and the ‘27 and ‘29 first round picks that Phoenix just acquired.
I think Phx would have to know Robinson was healthy but this gets them out of the the 2/37m left on Nurkic deal, gets them a center who fits and reduces their luxury tax bill.
For NYK to make this work they’d need to incorporate Achiuwa for a minimum (Seth curry?) but the long term the Knicks would have almost a full cupboard of future draft assets.
25 Washington
26 own
27 lesser of CLE/Utah/Minn
28 own (subject to swap
29 lesser of CLE/Utah/Minn
30 own
32 own
All you’re missing is the 31 pick from having no trade restrictions at all.
They’d go into the summer with Nurkic 18m expiring deal and tradeable first round picks.. pretty decent package to land an impact player.
For the rest of this season they have Nurkic spelling KAT and Seth Curry in the Payne role.
I’m not saying to do it, but I’m saying if you want to punt - then the goal would be to alleviate the Stepian rule complications.
I would love to do that but unfortunately Mitch will likely have to show he is healthy for an extended period to have any value which is part of the reason i'd rather wait until the off-season to make a move to get better and i'm not even sure if healthy Mitch has the value to bring in 2 firsts with his injury history. The young guys can't touch the court so their value is diminishing.
Trading Mitch or the young guys at this point would be selling low and I would expect a low return. Trading guys like Payne and Precious at this point would be selling high imo on their limited value as they likely won't have any trade value this off-season since they won't be under contract. I don't know how much of a step back the team would take moving them.
Payne fluctuates from a bench player that plays 2 halves to 1.5 halves to 1 half because Thibs is going to Thibs. If a soon to be 24 year old Kolek absorbed that 5-15 minute role or Deuce and Shamet absorbed his minutes i'm not sure how big of a drop off it would be. Payne has performed far better than I expected but Thibs hasn't shown much faith in most of the bench no matter what.
Precious provides someone that can give you minutes at the 4 and the 5 but the last time Mitch was healthy Precious fell out of the rotation completely. You never know with Thibs if he will keep him in the rotation this year if Mitch returns. Both Cam and Precious could easily begin the playoffs out of the rotation just as they both did last year. I would love to get something of value for them while I could.
Good point on Precious going out of the rotation once Mitch is back.
On the other hand, Precious provides solid, if nothing spectacular, depth off the bench, particularly injury insurance.
Still, you'd have to think that either Precious or Sims are trade bait IF the Knicks think Mitch can come back healthy.
Either player isn't going to fetch much, but I guess a player like Cam Whitmore or D Green could be had and might help the wing situation, even if it would be better if either was taller.
I don't think they move Payne because I think they want the bench depth, Kolek isn't ready and Deuce isn't a PG.
Payne they let expire and let Kolek take the job next year.
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TheGreenArrow wrote:?s=46&t=W09F6FrMDfp5_y1gKYgF1g
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it would be the perfect deal for us, there really isn’t much else out there.Wildcat wrote:TheGreenArrow wrote:?s=46&t=W09F6FrMDfp5_y1gKYgF1g
Get it done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hard to imagine Sexton will be happy coming from 30+ MPG to 20.
spree2kawhi wrote:TheGreenArrow wrote:?s=46&t=W09F6FrMDfp5_y1gKYgF1g
Get it done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
While I’d obviously love it, it would legit spook the hell out of me having talked about the OG, Towns, Mikal and now Kessler+Sexton deals well in advance to the point that people were annoyed of it on this board and in real life
WaltFrazier wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:JayTWill wrote:
I would love to do that but unfortunately Mitch will likely have to show he is healthy for an extended period to have any value which is part of the reason i'd rather wait until the off-season to make a move to get better and i'm not even sure if healthy Mitch has the value to bring in 2 firsts with his injury history. The young guys can't touch the court so their value is diminishing.
Trading Mitch or the young guys at this point would be selling low and I would expect a low return. Trading guys like Payne and Precious at this point would be selling high imo on their limited value as they likely won't have any trade value this off-season since they won't be under contract. I don't know how much of a step back the team would take moving them.
Payne fluctuates from a bench player that plays 2 halves to 1.5 halves to 1 half because Thibs is going to Thibs. If a soon to be 24 year old Kolek absorbed that 5-15 minute role or Deuce and Shamet absorbed his minutes i'm not sure how big of a drop off it would be. Payne has performed far better than I expected but Thibs hasn't shown much faith in most of the bench no matter what.
Precious provides someone that can give you minutes at the 4 and the 5 but the last time Mitch was healthy Precious fell out of the rotation completely. You never know with Thibs if he will keep him in the rotation this year if Mitch returns. Both Cam and Precious could easily begin the playoffs out of the rotation just as they both did last year. I would love to get something of value for them while I could.
Good point on Precious going out of the rotation once Mitch is back.
On the other hand, Precious provides solid, if nothing spectacular, depth off the bench, particularly injury insurance.
Still, you'd have to think that either Precious or Sims are trade bait IF the Knicks think Mitch can come back healthy.
Either player isn't going to fetch much, but I guess a player like Cam Whitmore or D Green could be had and might help the wing situation, even if it would be better if either was taller.
I don't think they move Payne because I think they want the bench depth, Kolek isn't ready and Deuce isn't a PG.
Payne they let expire and let Kolek take the job next year.
I think you don't want Precious and Mitch playing together too many minutes. But there still should be minutes for Precious playing with KAT either in place of OG, and even with OG and Kat both. Precious helps Kat on the boards and is a good switchable defender. And playing him with OG you really have some D. As long as Precious is the only non shooter on the court it's good, just not him and Mitch together too much except for late game defensive scenarios
KnixinSix wrote:spree2kawhi wrote:TheGreenArrow wrote:?s=46&t=W09F6FrMDfp5_y1gKYgF1g
Get it done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
While I’d obviously love it, it would legit spook the hell out of me having talked about the OG, Towns, Mikal and now Kessler+Sexton deals well in advance to the point that people were annoyed of it on this board and in real life
Unless Mitch is truly cooked in terms of staying healthy...you are giving up too much defense in that trade. That deal would rely on Kessler becoming an absolute STUD rim protector in this offense. I mean its possible but the deal has some risk to it.
thebuzzardman wrote:TheGreenArrow wrote:?s=46&t=W09F6FrMDfp5_y1gKYgF1g
Get it done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love Deuce but I'd do this one
spree2kawhi wrote:KnixinSix wrote:spree2kawhi wrote:While I’d obviously love it, it would legit spook the hell out of me having talked about the OG, Towns, Mikal and now Kessler+Sexton deals well in advance to the point that people were annoyed of it on this board and in real life
Unless Mitch is truly cooked in terms of staying healthy...you are giving up too much defense in that trade. That deal would rely on Kessler becoming an absolute STUD rim protector in this offense. I mean its possible but the deal has some risk to it.
You’d instantly fall in love with Sexton, especially if you value what Hart does. I like McBride too, but you could look at it this way: he’s actually everything we really give up on that deal… and do you know how old Sexton is?
KnixinSix wrote:spree2kawhi wrote:TheGreenArrow wrote:?s=46&t=W09F6FrMDfp5_y1gKYgF1g
Get it done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
While I’d obviously love it, it would legit spook the hell out of me having talked about the OG, Towns, Mikal and now Kessler+Sexton deals well in advance to the point that people were annoyed of it on this board and in real life
Unless Mitch is truly cooked in terms of staying healthy...you are giving up too much defense in that trade. That deal would rely on Kessler becoming an absolute STUD rim protector in this offense. I mean its possible but the deal has some risk to it.
