PG Knicks/Pistons

[DOT]

Not having KAT and Mitch play enough minutes together concerns me

KAT and Mitch together defeats the purpose of having KAT

Might as well have just kept Randle at that point.

[prophet_of_rage]

When is the last time an undersized backcourt like that worked? The roster will will leave you fixing one issue and creating another no matter how much you try

The last time? Maybe the 89-90 Pistons? But Dumars was 6'4 not 6'1.

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Joe Dumars was all nba 1st team defense 5 times, finals mvp and walked into the hall of fame. Zeke wasc5 time all nba, 12 time all star, finals mvp. It worked because both walked into the hall of fame. We are so moribund and deranged we have deuce McBride in the same conversation as Dumars.

How so? I'm not advocating Deuce start. I know he is too small. That's what I've been saying.

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[prophet_of_rage]

Not nearly enough people are talking about how disappointing of a season Deuce is having. He's playing more minutes and his shooting numbers are down across the board.

Because they pinned the Boston loss on not having Deuce on the floor. It has been obvious all year Deuce isn't shooting well. He showed yesterday he cannot defend a guard under 6'3 whocxan score. So we have to not talk about him.

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[MrDollarBills]

Not having KAT and Mitch play enough minutes together concerns me

KAT and Mitch together defeats the purpose of having KAT

Might as well have just kept Randle at that point.

KAT is defensively is a PF to me, Mitch is the guy who anchors and works better at the 5 in Tom's scheme.

Mitch/KAT/OG/Bridges/Brunson should be the play. If I'm gonna have a non shooter out there, let it be Mitch who defends and is a threat to finish.

[louisorr]

Not nearly enough people are talking about how disappointing of a season Deuce is having. He's playing more minutes and his shooting numbers are down across the board.

Deuce started the season highly confident. Showed leadership, talking to rookies about playing hard for Thibs in garbage minutes. Then how was he rewarded? No consistency or trust from the coach. Guy got his chain yanked. It makes total sense that he’s having a rough season.

[JayTWill]

Your back court would be 6 feet tall. You saw Cade and them post up every Knicks perimeter defender because they are too small.

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But Thibs wouldn't put Hart on Cade. Mikal guarded Cade most of the time this year. Hart spent most of the last Pistons game guarding a limited offensive threat in Ausur Thompson and other off-ball players. Thibs tries to hide Hart off the ball defensively as much as possible. He could have attempted the same thing with Deuce this game but he chose not to.

Every time Cade got off the bench, Deuce got off the bench. That is the role Mikal has had much of the year. Thibs would never put Hart in that position. Cade would have had a length and also a quickness advantage over Hart too.

You can't hide Deuce and Brunson. Cade was cooking evwrybody down low. And then whoever was left had to deal with Harris 6'8 and Thomson 6'6. With 6'6 Beasley coming in.

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Cade went to work on McBride last night. Tatum went to work on Mikal the game before. Booker went to work on OG the game before that. What you won't see is a player going to work on Hart or Brunson very often because Thibs tries to hide them as much as possible off ball although it does feel like he has taken some of the defensive responsibility off of Mikal in the last month or so which may be part of the reason we saw Deuce on Cade all game instead of Mikal. If Thibs did put Hart on Cade, Tatum or Booker I have a strong feeling they would have went to work on him too.

I'm not a fan of undersized backcourts and was one of the few people that thought Grimes should have been placed back in the starting lineup in last January in place of DDV since I thought Grimes was a much better defensive backcourt pairing with Brunson and DDV offense and experience could have been used on the bench. I still wanted a bigger, stronger more versatile defender to pair with Brunson. Deuce is far from my ideal backcourt pairing with Brunson but Hart isn't either. He has plenty of his own defensive issues this year.

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There is no indication that Hart is better defensively for the team especially when paired with Brunson. Hart is stronger but incredibly undersized also with other defensive limitations.

[rajajackal]

Not having KAT and Mitch play enough minutes together concerns me

KAT and Mitch together defeats the purpose of having KAT

Might as well have just kept Randle at that point.

KAT is defensively is a PF to me, Mitch is the guy who anchors and works better at the 5 in Tom's scheme.

Mitch/KAT/OG/Bridges/Brunson should be the play. If I'm gonna have a non shooter out there, let it be Mitch who defends and is a threat to finish.

also, kat was doing things like blocking out for mitch. he may suck at defense, but he puts in a more consistent effort than randle. having those two 7 footers down low is a totally different presence than mitch/randle gave us. i hoped kat at c would suffice, but i'm all in on the twin towers at this point

[DOT]

Not having KAT and Mitch play enough minutes together concerns me

KAT and Mitch together defeats the purpose of having KAT

Might as well have just kept Randle at that point.

KAT is defensively is a PF to me, Mitch is the guy who anchors and works better at the 5 in Tom's scheme.

Mitch/KAT/OG/Bridges/Brunson should be the play. If I'm gonna have a non shooter out there, let it be Mitch who defends and is a threat to finish.

Like I said

You might as well have just kept Randle at that point.

[Reign23]

don't care tbh. 3 players out, 3rd seed basically locked... game meant nothing.

[Reign23]

damn just saw that the pacers are one game behind us. we HAVE to lose out here. 4th seed would be insane.

[3toheadmelo]

KAT and Mitch together defeats the purpose of having KAT

Might as well have just kept Randle at that point.

KAT is defensively is a PF to me, Mitch is the guy who anchors and works better at the 5 in Tom's scheme.

Mitch/KAT/OG/Bridges/Brunson should be the play. If I'm gonna have a non shooter out there, let it be Mitch who defends and is a threat to finish.

also, kat was doing things like blocking out for mitch. he may suck at defense, but he puts in a more consistent effort than randle. having those two 7 footers down low is a totally different presence than mitch/randle gave us. i hoped kat at c would suffice, but i'm all in on the twin towers at this point

Yeah idk about KAT giving effort. Too many times he is ball watching and does the laziest close outs ever. Thats why he’s literally graded at the bottom of centers on defense on metrics. We never had that problem before.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[Gravy]

They said Deuce in the starting lineup would fix the shooting. If Deuce is going to shoot as bad as Hart then you may as well leave Hart in the sl to get you a triple double.

[ctorres]

damn just saw that the pacers are one game behind us. we HAVE to lose out here. 4th seed would be insane.

4th seed might be fine. We would face the Cavs in the Semis. Honestly, I don't know if that would be better or worse than the Celtics. Even though we beat the Cavs two years ago, they're a much better team now and they're going to be out for blood against us.

Could be a scenario where we beat Cavs in the semis, but face the Pacers in the ECF and the Pacers would have homecourt advantage. We might somehow lose to the Pacers and they go on to the Finals. They beat us last year in the Semis and the Knicks have homecourt advantage.

I'll be happy if we end up with a better regular season record than any of the Western teams other than the Thunder and Rockets.

If we miraculously make the Finals, we are going to need homecourt to have a chance at beating the Lakers, Nuggets, Clippers, Warriors, Grizzlies, or Timberwolves. So I think we should still win our remaining games to ensure we have homecourt against most of the Western Conference.

[Wildcat]

Not nearly enough people are talking about how disappointing of a season Deuce is having. He's playing more minutes and his shooting numbers are down across the board.

Deuce started the season highly confident. Showed leadership, talking to rookies about playing hard for Thibs in garbage minutes. Then how was he rewarded? No consistency or trust from the coach. Guy got his chain yanked. It makes total sense that he’s having a rough season.

Not sure what season you're watching. He's the first guard off the bench to the point of awkwardness when he's coming in for JB. He got the starting PG nod when JB went down, and looked terrible at running the offense. This has nothing to do with Thibs and everything to do with Deuce.

[nedleeds]

<Brunson being a Chucker>

Fire thibs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trade Brunson, OG, fire Thibs, tank every other year while the Nets harvest our organs. This team is roasted chicken for better, hungrier, harder, more well coached teams. Capped out, no picks, Thibs being an orc with no counter moves. Dolan needs to come down like an avenging angel and take the sword of wrath to CAA, Leon and Sammy Rose and burn the plague of CAA from this franchise.

ON THE ROAD TO BEING THE 2014 BOBCATS!!!!!!!!!!

starring

KAT as Al Jefferson (no defense playing parking cone offense only center)
Brunson as Kemba Walker (small guard who can't defend and chucks)
Josh Hart as MKG (the dullest utility knife in the drawer)
Five Pick Mik as Gerald Henderson (devourer of the lottery bound)
Mitch as Big Mac Biyombo (scorching the free throw line for 40%)

Coach Thibs as Steve Clifford (totally vanilla orc fossil coach who gets lapped every playoffs by anyone with internet access)

[Guano]

The Knicks tanked this game..

Brunson's ankle will be "sore" tomorrow.

KAT will have injury management.

We're trying to get to Cleveland's side of the bracket.

Wonder if Indiana recognizes and tanks themselves?

This is weak af and embarrassing if true.

[nedleeds]

They said Deuce in the starting lineup would fix the shooting. If Deuce is going to shoot as bad as Hart then you may as well leave Hart in the sl to get you a triple double.

They said Deuce was Joe Dumars.

[Guano]

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This is our captain and no runs in to defend him or push schroder out of the way???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Smfh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What the hell happened to the knicks we loved.


This sums up this season and our teams new culture perfectly.

[Gravy]

KAT is defensively is a PF to me, Mitch is the guy who anchors and works better at the 5 in Tom's scheme.

Mitch/KAT/OG/Bridges/Brunson should be the play. If I'm gonna have a non shooter out there, let it be Mitch who defends and is a threat to finish.

also, kat was doing things like blocking out for mitch. he may suck at defense, but he puts in a more consistent effort than randle. having those two 7 footers down low is a totally different presence than mitch/randle gave us. i hoped kat at c would suffice, but i'm all in on the twin towers at this point

Yeah idk about KAT giving effort. Too many times he is ball watching and does the laziest close outs ever. Thats why he’s literally graded at the bottom of centers on defense on metrics. We never had that problem before.

KAT is Evan Fournier on defense at center, we were trying to figure out different ways to use Evan so he would be a net positive but he always limited the team's ceiling. Once Thibs benched him the headache was over. KAT is much better offensively but still gives the team too many problems to overcome and everybody else has to work harder.