PG: that sucked

[Wildcat]

Sorry but Ragu would not have missed all those critical 3's. I counted 4 of them that Mikal bricked. They say we have a problem with Detroit's length nut really we have a problem with their motor , strength, and athleticism.

I would move Bridges for 2 roleplayers that were playoff performers. We needed athletic players and another facilitator that will get into the game... preferably over 6'4"/ Thibs should be gone but this team definitely lost too much when Ragu and Ihart left the building.

This was an ice out on both KAT and Mikal. Mikal had the hot hand going into the 2nd half and the game plan completely went away from him. I don't know WTF to think of KAT. There was one play where he was struggling to score over Harris. WTF what was that?

Mikal has a hot hand when the game is loose but at critical junctions off the dribble,he'll miss that 3 most of the time. He handle is kinda weak, I notice that he doesn't have confidence to push the ball when the fast break is there, instead he slows down, his passes are often weak, and he's physically weak. . I still think hes a good players overall l just not the right fit for us...still worth the 5 high schoolers we gave to the lowly garbage nets

Regardless of his weakness, they went ISO ball basically at the start of the 3rd. They're not getting into their sets until like 5-6 seconds left. I'm sick of this kind of style. No one gets into rhythm with this style. We've seen this way too many times.

[kNicksGmen]

I am watching the Denver game. They have no problem running pick and roll after pick and roll with Murray/Jokic combo - even when Westbrook is in the game. Why we are forbidden to do the same, I have no idea.

i'm just going to say it... brunson isn't a great PnR player... other than using it to create an advantage for himself. he does not have good vision or what the great passers have - anticipation/touch to run a good PnR. Part of it is his size part of it is he's always been a score 1st guy.

Not for nothing, but the Knicks being historically bad in PACE directly coincides with how much Thibs relies on Brunson to ISO & freestyle.

Our offense can be summed up by patiently waiting to get Jalen the ball after a missed FT or FGA. He gets hounded/bumped and we use up nearly 8 seconds to cross mid court. Josh Hart sets his 37th non threatening screen of the night, Jalen dances for another few seconds 27 feet out and our possession officially begins with 7 seconds left.

We do not seek advantages, mismatches or transition opportunities. We are slow, predictable and we are addicted to letting the defense get set like the crack epidemic in the early 80s.

You could find more imagination making instant ramen tonight then you would watching this team get coached offensively. Towns and Brunson have as much chemistry as oil and water. Shamet/Payne had a poor 3min stretch in the 2nd so they got vanished like General Zod to the phantom zone for the rest of the game. No play calling or running action to either instill confidence or catch the opponent sleeping. We specifically added players to lessen the burden on Jalen but the weight on his shoulders looks twice as heavy.

great post. honestly on paper swapping Ihart, Randle and Divo for Bridges and Kat - it makes sense that Brunson actually has more ball handling responsibility now. nobody on the roster is really a good ball handler or play maker. Randle for all his flaws was great at drawing a double and spraying or drive and kick etc - even Divo has some solid PnR ability. Ihart was an elite screen setter that could catch it and play 4 on 3. Thibs makes it worse by not having any secondary actions to utilize the guys we do have, but my point is on paper the knicks lost more ball handling and play making than they gained. despite a perceived upgrade in talent.

[DaGawd]

Mikal cant hit big shots against teams over .500, he's a big reason they cant beat good teams. And Towns is too timid. We really traded for Bargs and Aaron Afflalo. wtf

damn

[Wildcat]

I am watching the Denver game. They have no problem running pick and roll after pick and roll with Murray/Jokic combo - even when Westbrook is in the game. Why we are forbidden to do the same, I have no idea.

Thibs. And I'm convince ... almost ... that KAT doesn't know how to set a proper pick/screen or JB doesn't know how to play with a rolling big (I vaguely remember success with KP).

[K_ick_God]

I understand that sports can be sloppy and ugly and it’s a fight

But every possession is us doing the same thing, making no progress breaking down the D and then forcing up a shot with time winding down

Even if we lose and it’s a little scrappy, okay, if we play the damn game of basketball. But the enjoyment of watching us play the same boring, joyless, motionless and slow offense is really just low low low entertainment value

[Capn'O]

i'm just going to say it... brunson isn't a great PnR player... other than using it to create an advantage for himself. he does not have good vision or what the great passers have - anticipation/touch to run a good PnR. Part of it is his size part of it is he's always been a score 1st guy.

Tell it on the mountain.

[Wildcat]

I am watching the Denver game. They have no problem running pick and roll after pick and roll with Murray/Jokic combo - even when Westbrook is in the game. Why we are forbidden to do the same, I have no idea.

i'm just going to say it... brunson isn't a great PnR player... other than using it to create an advantage for himself. he does not have good vision or what the great passers have - anticipation/touch to run a good PnR. Part of it is his size part of it is he's always been a score 1st guy.

Not for nothing, but the Knicks being historically bad in PACE directly coincides with how much Thibs relies on Brunson to ISO & freestyle.

Our offense can be summed up by patiently waiting to get Jalen the ball after a missed FT or FGA. He gets hounded/bumped and we use up nearly 8 seconds to cross mid court. Josh Hart sets his 37th non threatening screen of the night, Jalen dances for another few seconds 27 feet out and our possession officially begins with 7 seconds left.

We do not seek advantages, mismatches or transition opportunities. We are slow, predictable and we are addicted to letting the defense get set like the crack epidemic in the early 80s.

You could find more imagination making instant ramen tonight then you would watching this team get coached offensively. Towns and Brunson have as much chemistry as oil and water. Shamet/Payne had a poor 3min stretch in the 2nd so they got vanished like General Zod to the phantom zone for the rest of the game. No play calling or running action to either instill confidence or catch the opponent sleeping. We specifically added players to lessen the burden on Jalen but the weight on his shoulders looks twice as heavy.

great post. honestly on paper swapping Ihart, Randle and Divo for Bridges and Kat - it makes sense that Brunson actually has more ball handling responsibility now. nobody on the roster is really a good ball handler or play maker. Randle for all his flaws was great at drawing a double and spraying or drive and kick etc - even Divo has some solid PnR ability. Ihart was an elite screen setter that could catch it and play 4 on 3. Thibs makes it worse by not having any secondary actions to utilize the guys we do have, but my point is on paper the knicks lost more ball handling and play making than they gained. despite a perceived upgrade in talent.

KAT doesn't know how to roll. They're both to blame mixed in with Thibs.

[RHODEY]

This was an ice out on both KAT and Mikal. Mikal had the hot hand going into the 2nd half and the game plan completely went away from him. I don't know WTF to think of KAT. There was one play where he was struggling to score over Harris. WTF what was that?

Mikal has a hot hand when the game is loose but at critical junctions off the dribble,he'll miss that 3 most of the time. He handle is kinda weak, I notice that he doesn't have confidence to push the ball when the fast break is there, instead he slows down, his passes are often weak, and he's physically weak. . I still think hes a good players overall l just not the right fit for us...still worth the 5 high schoolers we gave to the lowly garbage nets

Regardless of his weakness, they went ISO ball basically at the start of the 3rd. They're not getting into their sets until like 5-6 seconds left. I'm sick of this kind of style. No one gets into rhythm with this style. We've seen this way too many times.

I agree ....just add that to the list of things that need to be changed.

[kNicksGmen]

I am watching the Denver game. They have no problem running pick and roll after pick and roll with Murray/Jokic combo - even when Westbrook is in the game. Why we are forbidden to do the same, I have no idea.

Thibs. And I'm convince ... almost ... that KAT doesn't know how to set a proper pick/screen or JB doesn't know how to play with a rolling big (I vaguely remember success with KP).

Kat does suck setting screens especially compared to an elite screen setter like ihart. a big part of being good at setting screens is your feet and Kat is slow footed.

[TKKnicks1]

Y'all saying KAT needed to be more assertive really need to go back and replay that 2nd half. Every play was designed for JB. Everyone else on the floor was a decoy. JB made some good reads but overall it was designed for him to ISO, beat his man and score. Not once was it changed up in that 2nd half. KAT got zero touches, zero plays drawn for him, he shot literally 1 time I believe the entire half. This is your 7 foot perennial all star who shoots the clip at 50%! He got 1 shot and no touches in 2 quarters of basketball. He was a decoy and after thought. Not sure how you want a player to be assertive in that situation when he's just there to take up space like the other 3 players that shared the court.

[The KnicksFix]

The best thing for us to do is to lose this series, I keep saying this

[The KnicksFix]

Y'all saying KAT needed to be more assertive really need to go back and replay that 2nd half. Every play was designed for JB. Everyone else on the floor was a decoy. JB made some good reads but overall it was designed for him to ISO, beat his man and score. Not once was it changed up in that 2nd half. KAT got zero touches, zero plays drawn for him, he shot literally 1 time I believe the entire half. This is your 7 foot perennial all star who shoots the clip at 50%! He got 1 shot and no touches in 2 quarters of basketball. He was a decoy and after thought. Not sure how you want a player to be assertive in that situation when he's just there to take up space like the other 3 players that shared the court.

Exactly this
It comes down to the coach WHO ALLOWS THIS

[shmeakone]

The one thing that scares me is that their shooters haven’t really found their stride yet.

[Wildcat]

I am watching the Denver game. They have no problem running pick and roll after pick and roll with Murray/Jokic combo - even when Westbrook is in the game. Why we are forbidden to do the same, I have no idea.

Thibs. And I'm convince ... almost ... that KAT doesn't know how to set a proper pick/screen or JB doesn't know how to play with a rolling big (I vaguely remember success with KP).

Kat does suck setting screens especially compared to an elite screen setter like ihart. a big part of being good at setting screens is your feet and Kat is slow footed.

He's slow foot and he shy away from the physical.

[snadler]

Tonight was a very bad night for Leon Rose

[shmeakone]

This team can’t continue to rely on hero Brunson (or KAT) ball. We’re at our best when everyone is moving the ball.

[LFGK]

Sky is falling again, everyone will be back on board when we're up 3-1 after game 4

[Enzo954]

I love JB but constant ISO isn't going to cut it against the better teams. Especially when he is slow to kick it out when the opposition is throwing multiple defenders at him. The lack of ball movement is killing us. Teammates don't feel involved and there's no flow to the offense.

[prophet_of_rage]

i'm just going to say it... brunson isn't a great PnR player... other than using it to create an advantage for himself. he does not have good vision or what the great passers have - anticipation/touch to run a good PnR. Part of it is his size part of it is he's always been a score 1st guy.

Tell it on the mountain.

Shhhh ....

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