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prophet_of_rage wrote:Nothing to say. We made this JB's yeam. It plays like him. Great offence, bad D.NYKat wrote:Didn’t really like the postgame press conference, Brown said a whole lot of nothing
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god shammgod wrote:spree8 wrote:god shammgod wrote:
there's no trolling going on. you think anything you don't agree with is trolling. look around, you have the minority opinion right now about the state of this team. which is fine. as long as you just state your opinion on basketball and leave it at that. and we'll do the same. see how that works. good. nice talk.
There’s no trolling going on yet a separate thread had to be made for posters who can’t move on and stop bringing up old shyt every single game. And I have the minority opinion on what? Do a head count please because you’re just pulling the numbers out your ass lol.
My opinion is about basketball… why are you acting like you’re an angel when your m.o is to pop in and incessantly laugh and mock posters opinions who actually like the team during losses and disappear during wins? How’s that keeping it about basketball and not trolling? It’s the literal definition of it..
i'm not gonna derail this thread anymore like you're attempting. i won't be pulled into this and be part of the animosity that has torn our board apart. we have to learn to tolerate each other's differences. we're so divided as a forum right now and i'm leading the movement to stop that. i hope in the future you'll try to do the same. thank you.
sol537 wrote:1. Get OG back healthy (huge hole currently).
2. Shop KAT for best package (Giannis seems unrealistic though you never know).
3. Find a legit 3/4 back-up SF/PF 6'8 3&D wing, some how, some way. Even if it's to soak up 15 minutes.
Brown has been up and down. I'm not sure he's up to the task, but here's to hoping....
GettinitDone wrote:If we wanna win a championship it has to be THIS YEAR !
Why? Because JB is 29. He may stay in his prime until 32... that means we have 3 more years of JB playing as a top 7-10 player in the L... 3 more years of having ANY chance of winning a championship!
And also because teams like Detroit, Orlando, and Philly unexpectedly got and will keep getting A LOT better. For Detroit, Duren has ascended from rotation to an All Star. If they somehow could trade for *the perfect player for their team* aka Markannen without giving up their main core of Cade, Duren, Thompson, they could be legitimately flat out better than us. For Orlando, the addition of Bane is working nicely and it seems they're much more dangerous with Franz as their #1 option, and not necessarily with Paolo back serving as #2 option, if they decide to go this route, they could potentially trade Paolo for a 3rd star that complements Franz & Bane better... or at least for some high level winning players. For Philly, they hit a jackpot with Edgecombe, but Maxey's ascension from All Star to full blown superstar/ MVP candidate just absolutely changed the make up of this team. Embiid and PG could no longer play for them, and they'll still be in a good shape.
And if we don't win the championship this year, it's not getting easier for the players to still buy-in Mike's system in his 2nd year...
Three years remaining of JB's playing in his prime !!! This is why I said if I were Dolan himself, I'd have to intervene, fire Mike RIGHT NOW and find the right coach !! Three years is short, we don't have a lot of time, and the competition is seemingly only getting exponentially tougher.
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:Wonder if the faster pace is why the defense looks much worse this year and as they get into peak game shape in a few more weeks things will start to get better? Trying to find some silver lining here.
thebuzzardman wrote:GettinitDone wrote:If we wanna win a championship it has to be THIS YEAR !
Why? Because JB is 29. He may stay in his prime until 32... that means we have 3 more years of JB playing as a top 7-10 player in the L... 3 more years of having ANY chance of winning a championship!
And also because teams like Detroit, Orlando, and Philly unexpectedly got and will keep getting A LOT better. For Detroit, Duren has ascended from rotation to an All Star. If they somehow could trade for *the perfect player for their team* aka Markannen without giving up their main core of Cade, Duren, Thompson, they could be legitimately flat out better than us. For Orlando, the addition of Bane is working nicely and it seems they're much more dangerous with Franz as their #1 option, and not necessarily with Paolo back serving as #2 option, if they decide to go this route, they could potentially trade Paolo for a 3rd star that complements Franz & Bane better... or at least for some high level winning players. For Philly, they hit a jackpot with Edgecombe, but Maxey's ascension from All Star to full blown superstar/ MVP candidate just absolutely changed the make up of this team. Embiid and PG could no longer play for them, and they'll still be in a good shape.
And if we don't win the championship this year, it's not getting easier for the players to still buy-in Mike's system in his 2nd year...
Three years remaining of JB's playing in his prime !!! This is why I said if I were Dolan himself, I'd have to intervene, fire Mike RIGHT NOW and find the right coach !! Three years is short, we don't have a lot of time, and the competition is seemingly only getting exponentially tougher.
The window already closed. Just enjoy the fact that maybe the Knicks won't suck for the next 3 years.
robillionaire wrote:I slept on it and still don’t feel good about the trajectory of the team. If I concede to trade towns(since that’s what people now think the magic bullet is) for a realistic target I think the target should be caa’s Jaren Jackson who is a better defender, grizzlies are bad so maybe that can happen, but truth be told that doesn’t make us a championship team either. Probably doesn’t even move the needle. It’s now very difficult for me to envision a championship coming out of this situation and we’ve traded and swapped our picks until 2031 so that’s a bummer.
And it’s not even particularly fun to watch right now either
We can’t beat the Magic. We can’t beat the Heat. We can’t beat the bucks. We can’t beat the bulls. Last year people talmbout we can’t beat okc or boston, We now can’t even beat even middling non-contender eastern conference teams(which is what we appear to be now). What are we doing here.
And yeah I know we have suffered through worse with this team. We’ll probably make the playoffs. That would have been a big deal for us half a decade ago. I’ve always been a proponent of trying to stay positive because the team was so bad for 20 years but the drop off from being a contender(say what you want about a fluke we beat the champions and were a freak bounce away from the finals) to this realization isn’t fun
JayTWill wrote:Gravy wrote:Last season on this day the Knicks bench was Sims, Payne, Dadiet and Kolek, and Mitch was out. The east was also tougher. So although the team was shaky last year, the coach was doing more with much less at this point.
Today they were without 1 starter in OG, another starter in Mitch plays limited minutes and Shamet played 3 minutes as a starter. Brunson, Clarkson, Hart, Mikal and KAT basically played starters minutes which is a worse 5 man unit than last year at this time. The lower minute guys were Mitch, Yabu, Diawara and Kolek. Mitch is better than lower minute guys from last year but that's it.
I'd rather have last year's group with OG at this time. It's too early for me to say how tough the east is at this point. No one knew the Cavs would sustain as the top team in the East or the Pistons would jump up near the Knicks level at this point last year.
god shammgod wrote:jvsimonetti0514 wrote:Wonder if the faster pace is why the defense looks much worse this year and as they get into peak game shape in a few more weeks things will start to get better? Trying to find some silver lining here.
or are they tired from practicing more ? thibs saved their energy for games
something is amiss
god shammgod wrote:robillionaire wrote:I slept on it and still don’t feel good about the trajectory of the team. If I concede to trade towns(since that’s what people now think the magic bullet is) for a realistic target I think the target should be caa’s Jaren Jackson who is a better defender, grizzlies are bad so maybe that can happen, but truth be told that doesn’t make us a championship team either. Probably doesn’t even move the needle. It’s now very difficult for me to envision a championship coming out of this situation and we’ve traded and swapped our picks until 2031 so that’s a bummer.
And it’s not even particularly fun to watch right now either
We can’t beat the Magic. We can’t beat the Heat. We can’t beat the bucks. We can’t beat the bulls. Last year people talmbout we can’t beat okc or boston, We now can’t even beat even middling non-contender eastern conference teams(which is what we appear to be now). What are we doing here.
And yeah I know we have suffered through worse with this team. We’ll probably make the playoffs. That would have been a big deal for us half a decade ago. I’ve always been a proponent of trying to stay positive because the team was so bad for 20 years but the drop off from being a contender(say what you want about a fluke we beat the champions and were a freak bounce away from the finals) to this realization isn’t fun
this sums up how i feel perfectly. i wasn't thrilled with the mike brown hire but they performed well enough in the playoffs that i assumed no matter who the coach was we would be able to maintain our position in the conference because of how weak it was. we have seemingly regressed.
and sadly, i don't even think you can get jj for him. you can probably get ja
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:god shammgod wrote:jvsimonetti0514 wrote:Wonder if the faster pace is why the defense looks much worse this year and as they get into peak game shape in a few more weeks things will start to get better? Trying to find some silver lining here.
or are they tired from practicing more ? thibs saved their energy for games
something is amiss
Could be that too. They can’t really get stops, so how much running are they really doing? That same stink that last years team had, this one does too.
god shammgod wrote:robillionaire wrote:I slept on it and still don’t feel good about the trajectory of the team. If I concede to trade towns(since that’s what people now think the magic bullet is) for a realistic target I think the target should be caa’s Jaren Jackson who is a better defender, grizzlies are bad so maybe that can happen, but truth be told that doesn’t make us a championship team either. Probably doesn’t even move the needle. It’s now very difficult for me to envision a championship coming out of this situation and we’ve traded and swapped our picks until 2031 so that’s a bummer.
And it’s not even particularly fun to watch right now either
We can’t beat the Magic. We can’t beat the Heat. We can’t beat the bucks. We can’t beat the bulls. Last year people talmbout we can’t beat okc or boston, We now can’t even beat even middling non-contender eastern conference teams(which is what we appear to be now). What are we doing here.
And yeah I know we have suffered through worse with this team. We’ll probably make the playoffs. That would have been a big deal for us half a decade ago. I’ve always been a proponent of trying to stay positive because the team was so bad for 20 years but the drop off from being a contender(say what you want about a fluke we beat the champions and were a freak bounce away from the finals) to this realization isn’t fun
this sums up how i feel perfectly. i wasn't thrilled with the mike brown hire but they performed well enough in the playoffs that i assumed no matter who the coach was we would be able to maintain our position in the conference because of how weak it was. we have seemingly regressed.
and sadly, i don't even think you can get jj for him. you can probably get ja
Gravy wrote:JayTWill wrote:Gravy wrote:Last season on this day the Knicks bench was Sims, Payne, Dadiet and Kolek, and Mitch was out. The east was also tougher. So although the team was shaky last year, the coach was doing more with much less at this point.
Today they were without 1 starter in OG, another starter in Mitch plays limited minutes and Shamet played 3 minutes as a starter. Brunson, Clarkson, Hart, Mikal and KAT basically played starters minutes which is a worse 5 man unit than last year at this time. The lower minute guys were Mitch, Yabu, Diawara and Kolek. Mitch is better than lower minute guys from last year but that's it.
I'd rather have last year's group with OG at this time. It's too early for me to say how tough the east is at this point. No one knew the Cavs would sustain as the top team in the East or the Pistons would jump up near the Knicks level at this point last year.
Knicks were 6-2 without OG last season, the coach was able to win without him. Mitch played limited minutes last season too and we only had him for 17 reg season games.
The team was supposedly going to take a huge leap this season without being held back by the previous coach. Why are the other East teams much better but not us?
Gravy wrote:JayTWill wrote:Gravy wrote:Last season on this day the Knicks bench was Sims, Payne, Dadiet and Kolek, and Mitch was out. The east was also tougher. So although the team was shaky last year, the coach was doing more with much less at this point.
Today they were without 1 starter in OG, another starter in Mitch plays limited minutes and Shamet played 3 minutes as a starter. Brunson, Clarkson, Hart, Mikal and KAT basically played starters minutes which is a worse 5 man unit than last year at this time. The lower minute guys were Mitch, Yabu, Diawara and Kolek. Mitch is better than lower minute guys from last year but that's it.
I'd rather have last year's group with OG at this time. It's too early for me to say how tough the east is at this point. No one knew the Cavs would sustain as the top team in the East or the Pistons would jump up near the Knicks level at this point last year.
Knicks were 6-2 without OG last season, the coach was able to win without him. Mitch played limited minutes last season too and we only had him for 17 reg season games.
The team was supposedly going to take a huge leap this season without being held back by the previous coach. Why are the other East teams much better but not us?
god shammgod wrote:jvsimonetti0514 wrote:god shammgod wrote:
or are they tired from practicing more ? thibs saved their energy for games
something is amiss
Could be that too. They can’t really get stops, so how much running are they really doing? That same stink that last years team had, this one does too.
i had hoped they would prioritize defense with their summer signings but they went the other way and doubled down on offense. clarkson and yabu are possibly worse than brunson and kat on d so it's hard to put any unit out there that doesn't have multiple holes to fill. even with the few guys we have who can play defense, you're asking too much of them.