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What should the Knicks approach be with Frank

Try to develop until prime years (~26) - essentially hold until it's 100% clear what he is
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30%
Hold and try to develop until the end of rookie contract
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Hold until season's end/middle of next season to make a decision
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9%
Look to trade him now for assets and/or a salary dump
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Other
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3%
 
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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#1801 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Fri Mar 8, 2019 7:42 pm

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I sort of delineate from Mills to Perry.

I'm not giving any special credit to Phil. He screwed up several things.
I look at Mills as being in charge for a few months and he f*cked it totally, with Baker's deal, and of course, THJr.

Perry comes in and has to clean up. He's not perfect, but I'd say he's been more than solid.

Obviously, I wish there was better syncing of vision between him and the coach regarding tanking during the Jefe year, there it is.
Tank harder, play young guys sooner after KP goes down. It's not all roses. But especially starting this offseason, very solid. 1 year deals, trading KP for DSJr and cap space and two picks. Adding G-League players who are ok. I can see an actual plan. I guess quibble over the Noah stretch but at least it's understandable after the fact.

I understand your argument. I don't really agree, but it's not without merit. However, at this point, I don't really care enough to get into detail. The rotations have been almost as bad this year, what was the thinking about Lee?, we pulled out hair out at the 1-year players having to be given playing time that should have gone to longer term contractees just so they could showcase themselves for contracts on other teams - so that we can keep in with agents or similar bull, the Beetiay???... etc, etc. I could go on, and on. But, :shrug:


Well, yeah, some of that is coaching though. Not sure how much the coach and the FO sync up on things. I mean, they do - it's one of the reasons Fizzle was picked. But to that degree? Not sure.

Yes. Agreed coaching is an important part of this. Obviously the relationship between the coach and the FO is going to vary from team to team. But, in the situation the Knicks are in they have to have a very close relationship, because it isn't the case of the FO saying: "here are these great players, now win some games with them", but rather having very specific needs about how the players are used. So I judge them as a triumvirate. Now, again, some things are more in the coaches hands (drawing up plays in TOs, running practice) and some in the FO (most of the weight in the choice of players, salaries) but overall, for this past two years iteration of the Knicks, things need to be very highly coordinated, imo.
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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#1802 » by Phish Tank » Fri Mar 8, 2019 7:51 pm

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magnumt wrote:Dudes, warning here: Stay on topic or get Suspended!

Also, who’s the **** fandom police here? If a guy wants to still like Melo, H20, etc. No one gives a fuq and no one has the right to tell them otherwise! Just don’t take over threads with said fandom and we cool. :D

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No, let them keep going. That was entertaining!


sorry Wingo, I'm done. Too old (per RealGM years) to be going on :lol:

We were on this board during the Larry Brown/Isiah years, so we've seen em all.

I was just being this: (this is a few decades past your time but oh well)

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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#1803 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Mar 8, 2019 7:53 pm

Phish Tank wrote:
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magnumt wrote:Dudes, warning here: Stay on topic or get Suspended!

Also, who’s the **** fandom police here? If a guy wants to still like Melo, H20, etc. No one gives a fuq and no one has the right to tell them otherwise! Just don’t take over threads with said fandom and we cool. :D

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No, let them keep going. That was entertaining!


sorry Wingo, I'm done. Too old (per RealGM years) to be going on :lol:

We were on this board during the Larry Brown/Isiah years, so we've seen em all.

I was just being this: (this is a few decades past your time but oh well)



Word! :lol:
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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#1804 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Mar 8, 2019 7:59 pm

Who is "knicksrebuilder" and how do we stop him/her from posting threads?
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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#1805 » by magnumt » Fri Mar 8, 2019 8:00 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
magnumt wrote:Dudes, warning here: Stay on topic or get Suspended!

Also, who’s the **** fandom police here? If a guy wants to still like Melo, H20, etc. No one gives a fuq and no one has the right to tell them otherwise! Just don’t take over threads with said fandom and we cool. :D

—Mags :beer:


No, let them keep going. That was entertaining!


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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#1806 » by blueNorange » Fri Mar 8, 2019 8:04 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:the writing was on the wall since we signed Mudiay and called up Burke. that boy gone.

signing crap players doesn’t mean anything.

also hopefully this means franks gets playing time to regain any value.

Acquiring point guard after point guard after point guard shows that the Knicks don’t have much faith in Frank. It’s clear as day

i never thought frank was a pg, just a player that can make the extra pass.
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Post#1807 » by Phish Tank » Fri Mar 8, 2019 8:05 pm

blueNorange wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
blueNorange wrote:signing crap players doesn’t mean anything.

also hopefully this means franks gets playing time to regain any value.

Acquiring point guard after point guard after point guard shows that the Knicks don’t have much faith in Frank. It’s clear as day

i never thought frank was a pg, just a player that can make the extra pass.


which you need on a team that rarely makes the extra pass
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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#1808 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Mar 8, 2019 8:15 pm

magnumt wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
magnumt wrote:Dudes, warning here: Stay on topic or get Suspended!

Also, who’s the **** fandom police here? If a guy wants to still like Melo, H20, etc. No one gives a fuq and no one has the right to tell them otherwise! Just don’t take over threads with said fandom and we cool. :D

—Mags :beer:


No, let them keep going. That was entertaining!


Hush old man, unless you wanna take a vacation too.

—Mags :beer:


Where are we going? :D
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Post#1809 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Fri Mar 8, 2019 8:17 pm

Frank and Dot to Utah (France West) for their Royce O’Neal and their first this year.

Frank and OJ to Golden State for Jacob Evans and their first.

Frank and Dot to Charlotte (France East) for Marvin Williams (exp) and their first.

Frank for Zhaire Smith and their highest second rounder.

Frank to Atlanta for Deandre Bembry and a second this year.
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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#1810 » by magnumt » Fri Mar 8, 2019 8:19 pm

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:Frank and Dot to Utah (France West) for their Royce O’Neal and their first this year.

Frank and OJ to Golden State for Jacob Evans and their first.

Frank and Dot to Charlotte (France East) for Marvin Williams (exp) and their first.

Frank for Zhaire Smith and their highest second rounder.

Frank to Atlanta for Deandre Bembry and a second this year.


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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#1811 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Mar 8, 2019 8:23 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Who is "knicksrebuilder" and how do we stop him/her from posting threads?

:D

I feel like he's a terminator Knick fan bot, unstoppable.
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Post#1812 » by NYKAL » Fri Mar 8, 2019 8:26 pm

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Having a avi of someone who played 7 years with us is equivalent to you trashing DSJ nonstop in every thread of the board? Lmaooo

I guess people with avis of former Knicks are obsessed with them too. :crazy: go get some help my n*gga this ain’t healthy for you


having avis of legends are one thing. Keeping an avi of Melo is like someone still having a Gallinari avi or an Allan Houston avi. There's levels to former Knicks.

I'll place a bet: change your avi and user name and you won't see one more post from me about Dennis again except when he does something good

LOL don’t try to this spin this and make it about me. And comparing Carmelo to Gallo is hilarious. I’m not even gonna respond to that and derail the thread.

Point is that you obsessed with hating on DSJ for some reason and it ain’t healthy for you.

You really telling me to change my avi and username so you can leave DSJ alone :rofl: what’s wrong with you brah. DSJ turned down an autograph or something? What he do to you lmao


I wouldn't mind having that Avi for myself as well :). Also, who is a legend is in the mind of the beholder. Plus, its an opinion which does not need to be defended.
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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#1813 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Mar 8, 2019 8:27 pm

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No, let them keep going. That was entertaining!


Hush old man, unless you wanna take a vacation too.

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Where are we going? :D


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Post#1814 » by Monk1718 » Fri Mar 8, 2019 8:30 pm

Keep frank and dsj please. Just get rid of mudiay
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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#1815 » by magnumt » Fri Mar 8, 2019 8:32 pm

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Hush old man, unless you wanna take a vacation too.

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Where are we going? :D


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Post#1816 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Mar 8, 2019 8:34 pm

Monk1718 wrote:Keep frank and dsj please. Just get rid of mudiay


I really feel like 98% of the fanbase can rally around Mudiay hatred.
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Post#1817 » by Icandoallthings » Fri Mar 8, 2019 8:35 pm

Seriously Frank Knox and DSJ are not worth a first unless we are taking on salary. You can find guys with these types of flaws on the backend of any roster.
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Post#1818 » by NYKAL » Fri Mar 8, 2019 8:43 pm

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Monk1718 wrote:Keep frank and dsj please. Just get rid of mudiay


I really feel like 98% of the fanbase can rally around Mudiay hatred.


ABSOLUTELY. Even though I feel he's outplayed Frank at the position, Frank still has MORE to offer this team overall. Frank, on a good team is valued but, Mud on a good team would be a net negative.
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Post#1819 » by SuperflyKnick » Fri Mar 8, 2019 8:48 pm

Icandoallthings wrote:Seriously Frank Knox and DSJ are not worth a first unless we are taking on salary. You can find guys with these types of flaws on the backend of any roster.



I could def use some of that stuff your smoking ... your talking about teenagers who are 19-20 2nd year in the league
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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#1820 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Fri Mar 8, 2019 8:49 pm

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:Frank and Dot to Utah (France West) for their Royce O’Neal and their first this year.

Frank and OJ to Golden State for Jacob Evans and their first.

Frank and Dot to Charlotte (France East) for Marvin Williams (exp) and their first.

Frank for Zhaire Smith and their highest second rounder.

Frank to Atlanta for Deandre Bembry and a second this year.

Frank and Batum to the Mavs; Timmy to the Hornets; Hornets FRP to the Knicks (afaics Trade Machine allows this)

[edit] The Hornets are #10 pick at the moment, but only 1 game behind the 8th seed in the East. On the other hand the #12, #13 and #14 picks (Lakers, T'Wolves and Sacramento) are basically already out of the play-offs, so I expect that Hornets pick to end up in the #12-#14 range. Is that a decent price for Timmy?

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