The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread

[knicksNOTslick]

It’s beyond me how Knick coaches are unable to draw the best from Frank and yet he has killed it during FIBA games. He has been a lockdown defender verse US and has scored confidently. As usual Knicks ineptitude and politics gets in the way of recognizing good talent.

Lot players look good in fiba right now patty mills, ricky rubio, and luis scola look like all stars right now will they do that in nba right now probably not. Lets pipe down expectation for frank he still has lot of prove i am glad he is doing good in fiba but it has to translate in the nba.

The guys you mentioned are no longer considered young and have had relative success in the NBA, albeit not all-star caliber. No one is saying Frank will be doing this in the NBA just because he's doing good in FIBA, but he should be given all the opportunities to succeed and given playing time. We're not winning a chip anytime soon so why waste the minutes last season on guys who we're not planning to keep past one year in guys like Mudiay, etc. We should have never signed that sucker. This year, we signed another group of guys on short term contracts, and if Fiz prioritizes these guys over our young players, then there's a problem. The Knicks have not been known for developing their young players and that has to change. Who was the last guy we drafted that turned into an All-Star? David Lee, barely, and we didn't keep him. Not a good track record.

[Da_Mane_Man]

Everybody who gave up on Frank was wrong. End of story.

[BKlutch]

For now, there's probably no very valuable player the Knicks need who they could trade Frank for. He's cheap now. The question is, will they develop him this year? If they do, he will either become an important part of the team, or he will be traded for an important part of the team. It's hard to imagine that Fiz isn't envisioning using Frank off the bench where the other PG or SG is really hot, and he needs a good defender. As Frank's offense continues to develop, he will increase the minutes he gets by earning them.

We all saw Fiz underplaying Frank, andFrank never had a chance to play himself onto the team after being inexperienced or being injured. Hell, Frank couldn't even play himself into his own, growing body.

Either everything is different this year, not only with Frank but with the way the team plays and is coached, or Fiz isn't for us. We will find out. Using Frank as well as he was used by France may be the way to go, even though some folks here complained in the beginning he wasn't played enough in those exhibition games, but he seems to have earned more floor time. I'd be happy if Fiz approaches using Frank the same way.

Like all new kids, Frank will be less consistent than when he's older. That's common to have off games. But I really like Frank and I'm glad to see what he showed us, because it means he'll have a career -- whether or not we Knicks fans will be able to benefit from seeing him play for us.

[TheScout31]

It’s beyond me how Knick coaches are unable to draw the best from Frank and yet he has killed it during FIBA games. He has been a lockdown defender verse US and has scored confidently. As usual Knicks ineptitude and politics gets in the way of recognizing good talent.

Lot players look good in fiba right now patty mills, ricky rubio, and luis scola look like all stars right now will they do that in nba right now probably not. Lets pipe down expectation for frank he still has lot of prove i am glad he is doing good in fiba but it has to translate in the nba.

Mills and Rubio are both impact players in the NBA.

Let's take a look at other guys who you somehow managed to not mention
Bogdanovic, Osman, Jokic, Sabonis, Fournier, Schroder, Gasol, Gallinari, Satoranski, Joseph, Giannis, Vucevic, Gasol, team USA, Valanciunas, Campazzo (who should be in the NBA, tbh), Calathes, Okogie, Bjelica, Gobert...etc.

But, no, only scrubs play well in FIBA right?

Taj, you've been **** on Frank since day 1 - maybe it's time to take a step back, huh?

[iLLmatic860]

Cant wait for season to start. Lol all summer long you guys said the same **** but in different words

[BKlutch]

It’s beyond me how Knick coaches are unable to draw the best from Frank and yet he has killed it during FIBA games. He has been a lockdown defender verse US and has scored confidently. As usual Knicks ineptitude and politics gets in the way of recognizing good talent.

Lot players look good in fiba right now patty mills, ricky rubio, and luis scola look like all stars right now will they do that in nba right now probably not. Lets pipe down expectation for frank he still has lot of prove i am glad he is doing good in fiba but it has to translate in the nba.

Mills and Rubio are both impact players in the NBA.

Let's take a look at other guys who you somehow managed to not mention
Bogdanovic, Osman, Jokic, Sabonis, Fournier, Schroder, Gasol, Gallinari, Satoranski, Joseph, Giannis, Vucevic, Gasol, team USA, Valanciunas, Campazzo (who should be in the NBA, tbh), Calathes, Okogie, Bjelica, Gobert...etc.

But, no, only scrubs play well in FIBA right?

Taj, you've been **** on Frank since day 1 - maybe it's time to take a step back, huh?

You could have easily created an Eastern Conference champion from those players. Not too bad. I believe that truly competitive leagues show the good players. Who is Frank going to be afraid of guarding in the NBA - Kemba?

[TruthBeTold]

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[taj2133]

It’s beyond me how Knick coaches are unable to draw the best from Frank and yet he has killed it during FIBA games. He has been a lockdown defender verse US and has scored confidently. As usual Knicks ineptitude and politics gets in the way of recognizing good talent.

Lot players look good in fiba right now patty mills, ricky rubio, and luis scola look like all stars right now will they do that in nba right now probably not. Lets pipe down expectation for frank he still has lot of prove i am glad he is doing good in fiba but it has to translate in the nba.

The guys you mentioned are no longer considered young and have had relative success in the NBA, albeit not all-star caliber. No one is saying Frank will be doing this in the NBA just because he's doing good in FIBA, but he should be given all the opportunities to succeed and given playing time. We're not winning a chip anytime soon so why waste the minutes last season on guys who we're not planning to keep past one year in guys like Mudiay, etc. We should have never signed that sucker. This year, we signed another group of guys on short term contracts, and if Fiz prioritizes these guys over our young players, then there's a problem. The Knicks have not been known for developing their young players and that has to change. Who was the last guy we drafted that turned into an All-Star? David Lee, barely, and we didn't keep him. Not a good track record.

I respect your take about frank and he should be given opportunities its the rest of this board that are having these crazy expectation for frank that's annoying. Like 90 percent of this board think he going have manu ginobli type impact season because frank is having good world cup, that's when i want to pump the brakes and manage expectation. Lot of people on message board overrate frank like he is superstar on this knick team but they don't want to have the realization that he struggle his first 2 season. you can give these fans on this message board links about frank stats his stats but they are in denial and use alternative facts to make there point. Like i said before i like that frank is playing good in fiba but i am taking a wait see approach when he comes back to nba next month.

[taj2133]

It’s beyond me how Knick coaches are unable to draw the best from Frank and yet he has killed it during FIBA games. He has been a lockdown defender verse US and has scored confidently. As usual Knicks ineptitude and politics gets in the way of recognizing good talent.

Lot players look good in fiba right now patty mills, ricky rubio, and luis scola look like all stars right now will they do that in nba right now probably not. Lets pipe down expectation for frank he still has lot of prove i am glad he is doing good in fiba but it has to translate in the nba.

Mills and Rubio are both impact players in the NBA.

Let's take a look at other guys who you somehow managed to not mention
Bogdanovic, Osman, Jokic, Sabonis, Fournier, Schroder, Gasol, Gallinari, Satoranski, Joseph, Giannis, Vucevic, Gasol, team USA, Valanciunas, Campazzo (who should be in the NBA, tbh), Calathes, Okogie, Bjelica, Gobert...etc.

But, no, only scrubs play well in FIBA right?

Taj, you've been **** on Frank since day 1 - maybe it's time to take a step back, huh?

Jokic looks like role player in fiba right now he averaged 11 points , 7.5 rebounds and 4 assist but in the nba he is super star here is a link to his stats.
http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/player/Nikola-Jokic
Gianis had average tournment to compare to his standards in the nba where he superstar look his average 15 points, 8.8 rebounds, and 2.4 assist.
http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/player/Giannis-Antetokounmpo.
Dennis schroder is averaging 19.6 assist, 9.4 assist and 4.6 rebounds he playing like all star in fiba where in the nba he is 6 man talent.
http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/player/Dennis-Schroder

[GONYK]

Lot players look good in fiba right now patty mills, ricky rubio, and luis scola look like all stars right now will they do that in nba right now probably not. Lets pipe down expectation for frank he still has lot of prove i am glad he is doing good in fiba but it has to translate in the nba.

The guys you mentioned are no longer considered young and have had relative success in the NBA, albeit not all-star caliber. No one is saying Frank will be doing this in the NBA just because he's doing good in FIBA, but he should be given all the opportunities to succeed and given playing time. We're not winning a chip anytime soon so why waste the minutes last season on guys who we're not planning to keep past one year in guys like Mudiay, etc. We should have never signed that sucker. This year, we signed another group of guys on short term contracts, and if Fiz prioritizes these guys over our young players, then there's a problem. The Knicks have not been known for developing their young players and that has to change. Who was the last guy we drafted that turned into an All-Star? David Lee, barely, and we didn't keep him. Not a good track record.

I respect your take about frank and he should be given opportunities its the rest of this board that are having these crazy expectation for frank that's annoying. Like 90 percent of this board think he going have manu ginobli type impact season because frank is having good world cup, that's when i want to pump the brakes and manage expectation. Lot of people on message board overrate frank like he is superstar on this knick team but they don't want to have the realization that he struggle his first 2 season. you can give these fans on this message board links about frank stats his stats but they are in denial and use alternative facts to make there point. Like i said before i like that frank is playing good in fiba but i am taking a wait see approach when he comes back to nba next month.

Taj, honest question:

If you don't like what is being said in the Frank thread, why do you show up here every day?

There are plenty of other posters who feel like you do. They haven't posted in this thread since Frank started playing well.

You make the decision to engage this thread every time you log in. I'm just curious as to why.

[Clyde_Style]

The guys you mentioned are no longer considered young and have had relative success in the NBA, albeit not all-star caliber. No one is saying Frank will be doing this in the NBA just because he's doing good in FIBA, but he should be given all the opportunities to succeed and given playing time. We're not winning a chip anytime soon so why waste the minutes last season on guys who we're not planning to keep past one year in guys like Mudiay, etc. We should have never signed that sucker. This year, we signed another group of guys on short term contracts, and if Fiz prioritizes these guys over our young players, then there's a problem. The Knicks have not been known for developing their young players and that has to change. Who was the last guy we drafted that turned into an All-Star? David Lee, barely, and we didn't keep him. Not a good track record.

I respect your take about frank and he should be given opportunities its the rest of this board that are having these crazy expectation for frank that's annoying. Like 90 percent of this board think he going have manu ginobli type impact season because frank is having good world cup, that's when i want to pump the brakes and manage expectation. Lot of people on message board overrate frank like he is superstar on this knick team but they don't want to have the realization that he struggle his first 2 season. you can give these fans on this message board links about frank stats his stats but they are in denial and use alternative facts to make there point. Like i said before i like that frank is playing good in fiba but i am taking a wait see approach when he comes back to nba next month.

Taj, honest question:

If you don't like what is being said in the Frank thread, why do you show up here every day?

There are plenty of other posters who feel like you do. They haven't posted in this thread since Frank started playing well.

You make the decision to engage this thread every time you log in. I'm just curious as to why.

Speaking for myself only, in order to be fair to everyone I tend to accept that some people are going to hate particular players. We all have our biases.

That is their prerogative, IMO, but I'll snap at them when they keep lecturing the board about managing our expectations. That crosses the line into micro-managing our opinions and I see no reason to tolerate it.

Love and hate whom you want, but don't tell others how to react when the players they support do well. Take that crap to another thread.

[TheScout31]

Lot players look good in fiba right now patty mills, ricky rubio, and luis scola look like all stars right now will they do that in nba right now probably not. Lets pipe down expectation for frank he still has lot of prove i am glad he is doing good in fiba but it has to translate in the nba.

Mills and Rubio are both impact players in the NBA.

Let's take a look at other guys who you somehow managed to not mention
Bogdanovic, Osman, Jokic, Sabonis, Fournier, Schroder, Gasol, Gallinari, Satoranski, Joseph, Giannis, Vucevic, Gasol, team USA, Valanciunas, Campazzo (who should be in the NBA, tbh), Calathes, Okogie, Bjelica, Gobert...etc.

But, no, only scrubs play well in FIBA right?

Taj, you've been **** on Frank since day 1 - maybe it's time to take a step back, huh?

Jokic looks like role player in fiba right now he averaged 11 points , 7.5 rebounds and 4 assist but in the nba he is super star here is a link to his stats.
http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/player/Nikola-Jokic
Gianis had average tournment to compare to his standards in the nba where he superstar look his average 15 points, 8.8 rebounds, and 2.4 assist.
http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/player/Giannis-Antetokounmpo.
Dennis schroder is averaging 19.6 assist, 9.4 assist and 4.6 rebounds he playing like all star in fiba where in the nba he is 6 man talent.
http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/player/Dennis-Schroder

I've not only watched actual games (not sure if you have), but I've seen both the basic box score stats, the Synergy stats, and another program I have access to that others don't. Thanks.

My point was that just because someone does well or poorly in FIBA does not mean they are a good/bad NBA player. The reason why people are RIGHTFULLY excited about Frank is because of his tangible improvements on offense - the aggression, handle, shot looks better, finishing, etc are all things that are looking improved, if not legitimately good. You saying that Mills and Rubio playing well diminishes anything Frank is doing right now is asinine - if anything, it shows that what he is doing is important because, as I mentioned before, those guys are impact players / role players in the NBA right now...AND they've been in the league far longer than Frank. Basically, Frank playing at a high level (and showing improvements in his game) bodes well for this upcoming season, if he's given a chance.

Anyways, don't bother responding because I'm not going to respond to your posts anymore. Cheers, man.

[Yuri Vaultin]

Just keep in mindthat Frank was really bad last year and that a lot of it had to do with his ball handling deficiencies and lack of explosiveness. He looks great right now and I'm rooting for him, but you couldn't give him 30 minutes last year.

Funny, I thought you were describing Knox who strangely was allowed to play through (and despite) his many mistakes and shoot with impunity. Seemed to be a strange double standard.

[god shammgod]

Everybody who gave up on Frank was wrong. End of story.

at this point nobody's right or wrong

[Knicks Byke]

haven't been in here in a minute. I see nothing has changed

[spree2kawhi]

Just keep in mindthat Frank was really bad last year and that a lot of it had to do with his ball handling deficiencies and lack of explosiveness. He looks great right now and I'm rooting for him, but you couldn't give him 30 minutes last year.

Funny, I thought you were describing Knox who strangely was allowed to play through (and despite) his many mistakes and shoot with impunity. Seemed to be a strange double standard.

Oh no no no, Knox is already more polished offensively. In our **** system he was falsely refduced to mostly spotting up in the corner. Dude can already handle the ball and get in the paint too. He is bad on defense in all fairness, but he can clearly score despite youthful inconsistency.

[thebuzzardman]

Lot players look good in fiba right now patty mills, ricky rubio, and luis scola look like all stars right now will they do that in nba right now probably not. Lets pipe down expectation for frank he still has lot of prove i am glad he is doing good in fiba but it has to translate in the nba.

The guys you mentioned are no longer considered young and have had relative success in the NBA, albeit not all-star caliber. No one is saying Frank will be doing this in the NBA just because he's doing good in FIBA, but he should be given all the opportunities to succeed and given playing time. We're not winning a chip anytime soon so why waste the minutes last season on guys who we're not planning to keep past one year in guys like Mudiay, etc. We should have never signed that sucker. This year, we signed another group of guys on short term contracts, and if Fiz prioritizes these guys over our young players, then there's a problem. The Knicks have not been known for developing their young players and that has to change. Who was the last guy we drafted that turned into an All-Star? David Lee, barely, and we didn't keep him. Not a good track record.

I respect your take about frank and he should be given opportunities its the rest of this board that are having these crazy expectation for frank that's annoying. Like 90 percent of this board think he going have manu ginobli type impact season because frank is having good world cup, that's when i want to pump the brakes and manage expectation. Lot of people on message board overrate frank like he is superstar on this knick team but they don't want to have the realization that he struggle his first 2 season. you can give these fans on this message board links about frank stats his stats but they are in denial and use alternative facts to make there point. Like i said before i like that frank is playing good in fiba but i am taking a wait see approach when he comes back to nba next month.

Kind of a strawman argument.

I've just seen people say he belongs in an NBA rotation and the most out of hand it gets is "He may have put it together", but no one states that "putting it together" is starting material. Maybe a few posters. The rest kind of seem to prefer he get a shot over Payton, but even a lot of Frank supporters think Payton probably gets the nod, as he's ahead of him.

Since he's 4 years older, I'd hope he's ahead of him.

[thebuzzardman]

Just keep in mindthat Frank was really bad last year and that a lot of it had to do with his ball handling deficiencies and lack of explosiveness. He looks great right now and I'm rooting for him, but you couldn't give him 30 minutes last year.

Funny, I thought you were describing Knox who strangely was allowed to play through (and despite) his many mistakes and shoot with impunity. Seemed to be a strange double standard.

Oh no no no, Knox is already more polished offensively. In our **** system he was falsely refduced to mostly spotting up in the corner. Dude can already handle the ball and get in the paint too. He is bad on defense in all fairness, but he can clearly score despite youthful inconsistency.

I trolled on Knox some last year, only because I figured all the youth should get sh*t one; all for one,one for all.

Anyway, yes, his defense isn't good, but it's odd no one sees he's kind of a natural scorer. Not that's he's all polished there, or that he didn't need strength to help make some shots he missed otherwise, but at 6'10", can handle pretty good for that height, good outside shot, decent moves to the hoop, and that floater he uses to adjust to the defense from anywhere from 12 feet on in.

He's already clearly a non bust and a rotational NBA player, even with the bad defense. Which will get better with some time in the gym and learning tendencies.

[MadGrinch]

Just keep in mindthat Frank was really bad last year and that a lot of it had to do with his ball handling deficiencies and lack of explosiveness. He looks great right now and I'm rooting for him, but you couldn't give him 30 minutes last year.

Funny, I thought you were describing Knox who strangely was allowed to play through (and despite) his many mistakes and shoot with impunity. Seemed to be a strange double standard.

It wasn’t really , frank has a lot of projects to compete with (mudiay Burke Smith jr Kadeem Allen at pg and trier , Dotson and even players like Jenkins who was a late addition ) and earlier in the season there was also hardaway jr taking up to 35 minutes a game
Knox didn’t have any real competition for playing time there was only vonleah at the 4 and retreads like lance Thomas and also hezonga at the 3

They tanked by not stocking the forward spots with viable options if porzingis wasn’t going to play.

Frank is being coached like all the other young guys and he gets hurt there is another project to take his minutes and if his results aren’t good enough there are other players ready to take playing time from him.

The roster is more fair this season as far as competition for minutes, there are reasonably productive vets at every position.

The young players have to step up or they’ll be sitting on the bench.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Two observations About frank from the FIBA World Cup.

1. Frank got the attention of NBA scouts from playing well in another FIBA tournament the U19. I wonder what it’s about these FIBA tourneys that clicks with him.
2. The past 3 games has probably been the best consecutive games Frank’s ever played.