DOT wrote:You guys ever thought about how weird Christianity is if you explain it to someone with no cultural background to understand the information?
"Oh yeah, so these guys, once a week, they ritualistically consume the (metaphorical) flesh and blood of their god, who was sacrificed to himself via execution while he was in human form in order to cleanse humanity of the sin of one woman eating an apple she wasn't supposed to way back in the day. Also they wear miniature versions of said execution device around their necks because it's their holiest symbol"
I don't have anything against Christians in general, except for the part where they went around and rewrote a bunch of religions to the point where it's impossible to tell what the original context for said myths were or even if they were originally stories told by that culture or added afterwards by the monks. Also the crusades. And the whole altar boy molestation thing. Really, anything to do with organized religion is a hard no from me, individual people are usually fine.
I wanna caveat this discussion by saying that I came to Christianity later in life and also that sometimes you can't tell cause guys like Julius Randle piss me off so much and because the Knicks bring up all my toxicity. But that's between me and God lol. But yea...Christianity can be very weird and sad...and lifegiving.
As for the historical case for Christianity, I think there's a lot more to dig deeper regarding your assertions but not sure if you want to dig into that. When I was in college, I had to dig a lot, because it was really hard to square Christianity with the education and life I had grown up with. Like for example, how you spoke about how it's impossible to tell the original context for myths or which were added. I think these types of questions are easy to answer, because there are copies of the gospels that are dated, so you can actually get manuscripts for certain time periods and just compare them so it's easy to tell when something is added. Some of the biblical texts are dated only decades after Jesus' death (which is really good), and there's evidence that his disciples believed in a resurrection enough that they were getting martyred for it. The historical context is also not as opaque as it seems, because we have historians and we have diverse religious and non-religious texts and we know about the big events that were going on at the time. We're always going to have the issue of looking at things through our lens, but it doesn't mean that it's impossible to try to understand. For me, the science is a lot harder to square away. But the history is deep, because people have asked the same questions over and over again through the ages. If you're interested in this stuff, you should check it out.
As for the cultural thing...Christianity is pretty diverse globally, and I think the message can resonate, in that it's a religion that has grown a lot in places like China and Africa and Latin America. Going back to the cultural point you were pointing to earlier, a lot of the assumptions we make about the value of life and rights can be pointed back to Christianity...some of the assertions Jesus made were really countercultural in the time he was in, and countercultural in many places today. I think it's also important to step back the American lens and just realize that people in this world don't live in the same world/mindset we do. I have been in places where people believe in witchcraft and sorcery and all that...and I've seen some weird stuff. When Christianity swept through the world in the beginning, it was countercultural because the Christians were going in to take care of people that been sick with the plague, and the Christians valued baby girls (despite a preference for male sons). I think the message resonates still for the ones who really really want hope and want to know there's a God that loves them.
Finally, there's a huge issue with the institutional church today, and even beyond the issues you've pointed out. It's nuts and worrying to me that Christianity has been co-opted by a political party, or been used in issues like anti-vax, or even been used to support racism and anti-gun-control. As a Christian, I hate a lot. That's scary. I think a lot of it is idolatrous.