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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Cont'd 

Post#1801 » by dukeknicksirish » Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:00 pm

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HEZI wrote:If your two best players need to be staggered so much that they essentially can’t play together, that’s an issue that needs to be fixed by the front office not the coach. If they can’t work together then one has to go. No team or coach with championship aspirations is needing to do that. These are your two best players. What are you looking to accomplish when your two best players don’t work well together? When has a team ever won a championship with that being the case?


They will still play together but in theory with a Giannis or JJJ, KATs role can be adjusted more sensibly and maybe closer to how Finch used him where KAT defensive metrics that year were top 20 in NBA!

Also staggering both can be them together on floor for 20 minutes vs the closer to 30 that Thibs kept forcing the issue with especially against offensively superior teams.

And with that said I don't hate moving on from KAT but its got to be a younger guy (sub 32) who is less injury prone , elite 2 ways O/D and we know we can sign past this year.


So in theory but all we have to do is add a generational player like Giannis or an All Star with All NBA defense credentials. Cmon now

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Post#1802 » by KnixinSix » Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:31 pm

HEZI wrote:
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HEZI wrote:If your two best players need to be staggered so much that they essentially can’t play together, that’s an issue that needs to be fixed by the front office not the coach. If they can’t work together then one has to go. No team or coach with championship aspirations is needing to do that. These are your two best players. What are you looking to accomplish when your two best players don’t work well together? When has a team ever won a championship with that being the case?


They will still play together but in theory with a Giannis or JJJ, KATs role can be adjusted more sensibly and maybe closer to how Finch used him where KAT defensive metrics that year were top 20 in NBA!

Also staggering both can be them together on floor for 20 minutes vs the closer to 30 that Thibs kept forcing the issue with especially against offensively superior teams.

And with that said I don't hate moving on from KAT but its got to be a younger guy (sub 32) who is less injury prone , elite 2 ways O/D and we know we can sign past this year.


So in theory but all we have to do is add a generational player like Giannis or an All Star with All NBA defense credentials. Cmon now


We are talking about winning a championship and it is true it is not ideal to have your top 2 players both be defensively deficient unless you devise a way to work around it.

So you either trade one of them (and we know that won't be Brunson) or you devise a way to make it work.

I think because they love KAT and still believe in all his other elite characteristics their plan A is to figure out how to make it work. Its why I love the JJJ (or Giannis) idea.

I also think you could do it albeit on a bit of a lower level with Mitch but the mitch issue is extreme injury proneness, lack of offense and FT shooting and with him also being on last year of his deal.
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Post#1803 » by HEZI » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:06 pm

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HEZI wrote:
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They will still play together but in theory with a Giannis or JJJ, KATs role can be adjusted more sensibly and maybe closer to how Finch used him where KAT defensive metrics that year were top 20 in NBA!

Also staggering both can be them together on floor for 20 minutes vs the closer to 30 that Thibs kept forcing the issue with especially against offensively superior teams.

And with that said I don't hate moving on from KAT but its got to be a younger guy (sub 32) who is less injury prone , elite 2 ways O/D and we know we can sign past this year.


So in theory but all we have to do is add a generational player like Giannis or an All Star with All NBA defense credentials. Cmon now


We are talking about winning a championship and it is true it is not ideal to have your top 2 players both be defensively deficient unless you devise a way to work around it.

So you either trade one of them (and we know that won't be Brunson) or you devise a way to make it work.

I think because they love KAT and still believe in all his other elite characteristics their plan A is to figure out how to make it work. Its why I love the JJJ (or Giannis) idea.

I also think you could do it albeit on a bit of a lower level with Mitch but the mitch issue is extreme injury proneness, lack of offense and FT shooting and with him also being on last year of his deal.


I get it but we aren’t getting any player like that for free so the question then becomes what are we losing in the process?

If it’s just Mikal, sure fine he’s easily replaced. OG, not so much. I don’t think any trade for a high caliber player like that is coming cheap so it’s not like we can just add pieces like that to what is already in place so then the question becomes what holes are we creating in other areas?
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Post#1804 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:24 pm

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“The way the Knicks get this done is Karl-Anthony Towns,” Windhorst said. “It has to do with the trade rules. It has to do with stuff like that. The Knicks would have to trade three rotation players otherwise.

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Post#1805 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:26 pm

Oh **** it’s happening
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Post#1806 » by Fury » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:28 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Oh **** it’s happening
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Post#1807 » by KnixinSix » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:48 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Shams and brian Windhorst both said the Knicks are in on KD. Steve popper and bondy aren’t tapped in as them.


Read on Twitter


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KAT for KD incoming
“The way the Knicks get this done is Karl-Anthony Towns,” Windhorst said. “It has to do with the trade rules. It has to do with stuff like that. The Knicks would have to trade three rotation players otherwise.



....Three rotation players otherwise is the way to go unless they plan on trading for JJJ with Bridges+ in a subsequent trade.

KAT for KD leaves the roster construction dicey....BUT if they bring in JJJ/CLarke for Bridges/RObinson

JJJ/Huk
KD/OG/CLarke/MLE
OG/KD/CLarke/MLE
McBride/Hart
Brunson/McBride/Wright

If prefer other paths of overall roster construction but this one is interesting as well....

McBride,Kolek, Dadiet, PJ Tucker could all be converted to DIvo too in this scenario and have.....

JJJ/Huk
KD/OG/CLarke/MLE
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Post#1808 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Jun 12, 2025 2:14 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Oh **** it’s happening
Read on Twitter


You're like willing this through Windy tf is going on

And shams! Shams said we made an offer for KD at the deadline and now he’s saying we’re one of the main teams that are interested in KD.
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Post#1809 » by Fury » Thu Jun 12, 2025 2:16 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Fury wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Oh **** it’s happening
Read on Twitter


You're like willing this through Windy tf is going on

And shams! Shams said we made an offer for KD at the deadline and now he’s saying we’re one of the main teams that are interested in KD.


I just don't buy it. If they made an offer at the deadline, it would have been an offer without KAT, because KAT was fine duing the regular season. That means we must have offered something like an OG or Bridges led package with Mitch or something. And I don't think they'd do that now. This feels like just using the Knicks for leverage.
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Post#1810 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Jun 12, 2025 2:21 pm

Fury wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
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You're like willing this through Windy tf is going on

And shams! Shams said we made an offer for KD at the deadline and now he’s saying we’re one of the main teams that are interested in KD.


I just don't buy it. If they made an offer at the deadline, it would have been an offer without KAT, because KAT was fine duing the regular season. That means we must have offered something like an OG or Bridges led package with Mitch or something. And I don't think they'd do that now. This feels like just using the Knicks for leverage.

Around the deadline was when the Knicks hit a major slump and were struggling to beat every contender. So it makes sense they were trying to trade KAT by then.
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Post#1811 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:47 pm

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Post#1812 » by dakomish23 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:51 pm

I had said during the IND series that if IND added Mitch or we added McConnell either team would be my pick to win it all

Could this guy be our McConnell? Super low salary makes a trade possible for us

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Post#1813 » by HopelessKnick » Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:54 pm

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The notion that he is not a difference maker is wrong IMO. Phoenix with him was 33-29....without KD 3-17. That's a pretty big difference.

On defense the biggest difference to me is that KD is not a player that other teams target as he is still more mobile and better than KAT. However we would definitely be losing a lot of rebounding without KAT. We would definitely need a Center and good rebounder back in a trade.
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Post#1814 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:57 pm

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The notion that he is not a difference maker is wrong IMO. Phoenix with him was 33-29....without KD 3-17. That's a pretty big difference.

Absolutely. If we had KD instead of KAT, we would be in the finals right now.
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Post#1815 » by BKlutch » Thu Jun 12, 2025 6:17 pm

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Enzo954 wrote:It's been confirmed that we're not in the paly for KD. I don't know why you posters keep saying otherwise.




Its what itching ears want to hear.

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Post#1816 » by 8516knicks » Thu Jun 12, 2025 6:21 pm

HEZI wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
HEZI wrote:
So in theory but all we have to do is add a generational player like Giannis or an All Star with All NBA defense credentials. Cmon now


We are talking about winning a championship and it is true it is not ideal to have your top 2 players both be defensively deficient unless you devise a way to work around it.

So you either trade one of them (and we know that won't be Brunson) or you devise a way to make it work.

I think because they love KAT and still believe in all his other elite characteristics their plan A is to figure out how to make it work. Its why I love the JJJ (or Giannis) idea.

I also think you could do it albeit on a bit of a lower level with Mitch but the mitch issue is extreme injury proneness, lack of offense and FT shooting and with him also being on last year of his deal.


I get it but we aren’t getting any player like that for free so the question then becomes what are we losing in the process?

If it’s just Mikal, sure fine he’s easily replaced. OG, not so much. I don’t think any trade for a high caliber player like that is coming cheap so it’s not like we can just add pieces like that to what is already in place so then the question becomes what holes are we creating in other areas?


If it's true Orlando has Issacs on the block along with its two first round picks, we could trade Mikal - they want a rotational guy and their backcourt is light - and we could use the picks on the St. Joes 6'9" guy and the Sorber center guy to give us instant bigs on the bench. That could complement JB & KAT with a new coach mixing and matching throughout the games.
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Post#1817 » by 8516knicks » Thu Jun 12, 2025 6:22 pm

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Enzo954 wrote:It's been confirmed that we're not in the paly for KD. I don't know why you posters keep saying otherwise.




Its what itching ears want to hear.

Yay!!!


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Post#1818 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Jun 12, 2025 6:45 pm

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Post#1819 » by KnixinSix » Thu Jun 12, 2025 7:22 pm

Fury wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
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You're like willing this through Windy tf is going on

And shams! Shams said we made an offer for KD at the deadline and now he’s saying we’re one of the main teams that are interested in KD.


I just don't buy it. If they made an offer at the deadline, it would have been an offer without KAT, because KAT was fine duing the regular season. That means we must have offered something like an OG or Bridges led package with Mitch or something. And I don't think they'd do that now. This feels like just using the Knicks for leverage.


Hes was pretty damn good in the playoffs too except for Thibs horrible misutilization of him on rotations and on defense specifically.
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Post#1820 » by BKlutch » Thu Jun 12, 2025 7:24 pm

8516knicks wrote:
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Its what itching ears want to hear.

Yay!!!


CAA works in mysterious ways. 8-)


That it does but all I care is that it works for us.
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