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Oscirus wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:Oscirus wrote:if they're so sold on okoro then they need to find out what they can get for RJ asap cuz those two dont mesh and the paint would just be clogged as **** when the knicks are on offense
We're not drafting Okoro
Well obviously not cuz we're drafting kira, but i was just remarking on that hypothetical
HarthorneWingo wrote:Oscirus wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:
We're not drafting Okoro
Well obviously not cuz we're drafting kira, but i was just remarking on that hypothetical
We're not drafting him either. He doesn't play above the rim. Too short and tiny.
Jimmit79 wrote:At this point I want RJ to get paid
knickstape4ever wrote:robillionaire wrote:knickstape4ever wrote:
you don't get rid of RJ just because you draft Okoro...but they also shouldn't take Okoro b/c the fit w/ RJ
RJ would go #1 in this draft and he is a far better player than Okoro. Okoro is the better defender, RJ is better at pretty much everything else
I actually think Okoro could turn out to be better than RJ. He's the better defender so we already have that. I think he'll be just as good around the rim if not better, he's more explosive than RJ, RJ perhaps a marginally better passer but Okoro has some upside there as well, and neither can make shots or free throws very well but if I had to pick one of them as more likely to improve on the shot I think I'd say Okoro because his form looks less broken to me than RJs does. Okoro can also finish with both hands instead of just his left hand like RJ.
yeah I dont think Okoro will be better than RJ. RJ in HS, College, and for Canada was a prolific scorer. he's wired to score in a way that Okoro isn't. RJ's also a better rebounder and passer.
I expect that w/ better spacing, RJ's 2 point efficiency will increase b/c he won't have to drive into a crowded paint. he's very strong for his age and showed the ability to finish through contact and get the and1 (hitting the FT....different story)
RJ is an underrated athlete, he's explosive himself and he "measured in the 95th to 99th percentile for his body weight in both acceleration and deceleration force at P3 Performance last year, which put him in a class with Harden and Luka Doncic."-the Athletic
robillionaire wrote:knickstape4ever wrote:robillionaire wrote:
I actually think Okoro could turn out to be better than RJ. He's the better defender so we already have that. I think he'll be just as good around the rim if not better, he's more explosive than RJ, RJ perhaps a marginally better passer but Okoro has some upside there as well, and neither can make shots or free throws very well but if I had to pick one of them as more likely to improve on the shot I think I'd say Okoro because his form looks less broken to me than RJs does. Okoro can also finish with both hands instead of just his left hand like RJ.
yeah I dont think Okoro will be better than RJ. RJ in HS, College, and for Canada was a prolific scorer. he's wired to score in a way that Okoro isn't. RJ's also a better rebounder and passer.
I expect that w/ better spacing, RJ's 2 point efficiency will increase b/c he won't have to drive into a crowded paint. he's very strong for his age and showed the ability to finish through contact and get the and1 (hitting the FT....different story)
RJ is an underrated athlete, he's explosive himself and he "measured in the 95th to 99th percentile for his body weight in both acceleration and deceleration force at P3 Performance last year, which put him in a class with Harden and Luka Doncic."-the Athletic
I don't think RJ's athleticism is bad at all, okoro's is just a bit better, burst, first step, explosiveness, vertical, I think he's a freak athlete. Just my eye test
Oscirus wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:Oscirus wrote:Well obviously not cuz we're drafting kira, but i was just remarking on that hypothetical
We're not drafting him either. He doesn't play above the rim. Too short and tiny.
Who doesnt need a speedy pg that can score from all 3 levels? We are drafting him and you will like it.
RHODEY wrote:Richard4444 wrote:RHODEY wrote:
Not a real contender? They made it to the finals , barring injury I say they would have taken the Lakers to the birnk if healthy. But since they built the right way they have talent to spare - even in a trade for the Freak.- they will still have several key pieces remaining- several allstars. Why? Because they took the time to build the correct way.
I agree Miami is a contender.
But they are not a good example of building a team. It's was too difficult and they got lucky.
- a) They got a really good player in Adebayo with a mid pick.
- b) Got a superstar.
- c) Got another really good player with another mid pick who overachieved in his first year.
- d) Got lucky developing 2 undrafted players that overachieved in their first year of serious game time
- e) Traded for good vet help
a) So their scouts were lucky? Maybe they have good scouts? Didn't they also draft Herro,and Duncan...was that luck too?
b)they got a superstar? Butler?
c)got another really good player?? Who and how? Luck again?
d) So developing undrafted players is luck too..
e) trading for good vet help ...doesn't that prove my point?
HarthorneWingo wrote:Oscirus wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:
We're not drafting him either. He doesn't play above the rim. Too short and tiny.
Who doesnt need a speedy pg that can score from all 3 levels? We are drafting him and you will like it.
What good is speed if he can't even dunk?
I think Ish Smith can dunk. Let's sign him instead.
Jimmit79 wrote:At this point I want RJ to get paid
HarthorneWingo wrote:HEZI wrote:robillionaire wrote:
Everyone's had bad games if you cherry pick them out. I like Maxey too but he had games where he went 0-9, 1-8, 1-11 if you focus on the negative any of these guys can look bad
Yeah that's not the point. It's not cherry picking because there's plenty of bad games from Okoro that extended beyond those two games versus Kentucky. I like Okoro as a long term project, I see his potential as a defensive wing with some solid ball moving and "glue guy" attributes and slashing but where he fits on our roster is a problem. He admitted himself he sees himself as a 3 in the NBA, that means RJ gotta play guard but RJ is more of a 3. Okoro likes to defer a lot and hesitates to shoot even wide open shots a lot. Some Frank type of qualities in that regard. He scored 20 points like 1 time all season, again very Frank like. Meh, the fit flat out sucks with him added to the roster. You gotta hope he becomes a much better shooter sooner rather than later.
Okoro is not a good fit for us.
HEZI wrote:Capn'O wrote:Mpharris gonna be impossible if we get okoro
Hey at least that's a justifiable pick with Okoro's upside. Now if it was Devin Vassell, well that would just be unbearable
ADeP7 wrote:For what it’s worth. I talked to my buddy
Pretty much what he’s heard Knicks are being linked because they are extremely active around the nba covering all bases in positioning themselves to capitalize on other teams needing salary relief and seeing what the market is for moving up or down in the draft
Knicks have no intention of moving up or moving Mitch or any of there young players. Rose abs company are in asset collection mode to snag a superstar and will not jeopardize cap and the ability to go after someone should they become available.
Westbrook talk is allllll smoke and not legitimate whatsoever
If Knicks stay at 8 okoro is the guy
Clyde_Style wrote:You heard it here first.
R.J. Hampton will be the Donovan Mitchell of this draft
Draft him or you'll be sahhhh-weeeeeeeeee
How do I know? FOH! I just know
“Everyone saw the progress and a lot of changes to my game,’’ Hayes said on a Zoom call. “What I really improved on, really, is my body. As soon as you see me, there’s a big difference and change from eight months ago to now.”
The 6-foot-5 lefty scoring point guard, born in Florida but raised in France, wasn’t done.
“I also shocked a lot of people with my right hand,’’ Hayes added. “They see me throwing bullets with my right and finish with floaters with my right hand. Also my shooting — some people questioned my shooting form because I had a low release. Now, my release is pretty high. I shoot it pretty well. So all those doubts went away.”
“The player that I was back in March is not the same player I am today,” Hayes added. “I’ve really leveled up a lot.”
Reign23 wrote:those of you who want to pick the next non shooter in Okoro deserve Russ so much.
The Knicks closed their practice facility after three members of the staff tested positive. The Knicks also have yet to work out top point guard prospect Tyrese Haliburton. They also were not represented at LaMelo Ball’s workout for a small group of teams earlier in the week.
Hayes said he’s done workouts for mostly Eastern Conference clubs, naming only Detroit, which selects seventh. The Bulls, who select fourth, also are believed to have worked out Hayes. “They saw the progress in my game,’’ Hayes said.
The Knicks have plenty of intel on Hayes, whom they interviewed on Zoom, and have been given all his medicals and measurements. The Knicks also would have to work out a buyout with his German team if they select him. Hayes is a good playmaker and shooter, with size and solid potential on defense.
The Post reported last month that Hayes, on the Knicks’ board, had a narrow edge on other point guard prospects after Ball, but that was before live workouts were permitted. A Knicks contingent flew to Miami last month to see fast-rising but defensively deficient PG Kira Lewis two weeks ago, and he’s in play.
thebuzzardman wrote:El Poochio wrote:*Trade Mitch for #2, then package #2 for Huerter + #6, flip #6 for Oubre + #10
*Trade #8 + DSJ + Ariza/filler for #15 and AG
*Trade AG + Frank + #38 for #16 + Ariza + Hood + Nassir + Anfernee or AG to Nets/Mavs for #18/19 + filler
*Take on Mike Scott + #21 for #27
#10 - Draft Kira
#15 - Draft RJ Hampton
#16/18/19 - Draft Tyrell Terry
#21 - Draft Cole Anthony
Kira/Cole/(Anfernee)
Huerter/Terry/Hampton
RJ/Huerter
Oubre/Knox/(Nassir)
NoDopeOnSundays/Randle
From worst backcourt in the league to best young backcourt in history
Would have loved to get #2 by taking on Wiggins and keep Mitch with that beast young backcourt but ofc we dont have enough capspace somehow
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