2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3

[3toheadmelo]

correct those are mostly guys with no jumpers and there defense is sure ahead of there offense for sure. Outside of Kispert.

Yeah I just see guys like Barnes and Usman being ineffective cause of their lack of offensive ability and broken jumpers. Ben Simmons in the playoffs basically shows that, no matter how good your defense is

It depends on what teams they go to. Scottie Barnes as a small ball 5 for the warriors with Steph and Klay...and him being a point 5 could actually be very effective. But you would need to have a unique offense around them. But his 7'2 winspan I'm sure he can defend most 5's in the league outside of your Embiid or Jokic types...but who can defend those guys anyway.

Imagine Scottie Barnes playing with Draymond green. I don’t see that ending well lol

I know Ayton can guard Jokic..

[mpharris36]

Yeah I just see guys like Barnes and Usman being ineffective cause of their lack of offensive ability and broken jumpers. Ben Simmons in the playoffs basically shows that, no matter how good your defense is

It depends on what teams they go to. Scottie Barnes as a small ball 5 for the warriors with Steph and Klay...and him being a point 5 could actually be very effective. But you would need to have a unique offense around them. But his 7'2 winspan I'm sure he can defend most 5's in the league outside of your Embiid or Jokic types...but who can defend those guys anyway.

Imagine Scottie Barnes playing with Draymond green. I don’t see that ending well lol

I know Ayton can guard Jokic..

Draymond is getting close to being toast. I would think Scottie Barnes would be a draymond replacement.

And yes Ayton has been a beast...now Wiseman needs to get to that level

[3toheadmelo]

It depends on what teams they go to. Scottie Barnes as a small ball 5 for the warriors with Steph and Klay...and him being a point 5 could actually be very effective. But you would need to have a unique offense around them. But his 7'2 winspan I'm sure he can defend most 5's in the league outside of your Embiid or Jokic types...but who can defend those guys anyway.

Imagine Scottie Barnes playing with Draymond green. I don’t see that ending well lol

I know Ayton can guard Jokic..

Draymond is getting close to being toast. I would think Scottie Barnes would be a draymond replacement.

And yes Ayton has been a beast...now Wiseman needs to get to that level

The thing about Barnes is that he only fits well on one team which is Golden state. It’s hard to play him on most of the other teams in the league. I personally would pass on him.

Year 3 wiseman should be good I think. Trust the process!

[Knicksfan1992]

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You can tell just by his answers this dude is from NYC

[WargamesX]

I wonder if Jalen Johnson falls to the Knicks range? He is the candidate to slide the most this draft, and while he doesn’t fit the Knicks now, physically he is a Thibs type wing.

Also a lot of reporters are starting to mock Duarte to the Grizzlies….

[TerrenceClarke]

There is Bones in the House. There is Bones in the House. *Cardi B Voice*

[waya]

Anyone know why Hyland isn't in the first round of some mock drafts (Ringer, tankathon, etc)? His numbers look good, passes the eye test, only 20 years old. What am I missing? Is it because of the low assist numbers?

[mpharris36]

Anyone know why Hyland isn't in the first round of some mock drafts (Ringer, tankathon, etc)? His numbers look good, passes the eye test, only 20 years old. What am I missing? Is it because of the low assist numbers?

He is from a mid-major school so probably just worried about his competition. But him playing well in the combine work out should improve his stock.

[waya]

Anyone know why Hyland isn't in the first round of some mock drafts (Ringer, tankathon, etc)? His numbers look good, passes the eye test, only 20 years old. What am I missing? Is it because of the low assist numbers?

He is from a mid-major school so probably just worried about his competition. But him playing well in the combine work out should improve his stock.

Ah gotcha, thanks for clearing that up.

[TerrenceClarke]

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You can tell just by his answers this dude is from NYC

If he really wanted to be in NYC he should have kept quiet. He has brought way to much attention to this, and now he may cost the knicks more capital to move up, cause teams know who they would be targeting if so. I think he should scale back his Knick love for the time being.

[moocow007]

I think I'd want Suggs most of all if the Knicks could somehow pull off a trade. I know it's probably wrong because three guys are almost unanimously ahead of him, but I just love his game.

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Gilbert is really a student of the game. He’s one of those guys who can actually break the game down in a way for even casual fans to get what he’s saying

Gilbert's not wrong. If you are looking for game changers, franchise altering players (meaning a guy that can almost single handedly lift what is otherwise a crap team up all by himself) I'm not sure Jalen Suggs is that type of player. IMO he's the type of player that would look absolutely great playing in SA under Pops. But you throw him on one of these piss poor mismanaged teams that basically just goes out there and runs around in circles for most of the game? I don't think he'll look good enough to warrant exactly what Gilbert said. The other 3 guys? Yeah. They have the type of talent that can impact games by themselves.

[WargamesX]

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Gilbert is really a student of the game. He’s one of those guys who can actually break the game down in a way for even casual fans to get what he’s saying

Gilbert's not wrong. If you are looking for game changers, franchise altering players (meaning a guy that can almost single handedly lift what is otherwise a crap team up all by himself) I'm not sure Jalen Suggs is that type of player. IMO he's the type of player that would look absolutely great playing in SA under Pops. But you throw him on one of these piss poor mismanaged teams that basically just goes out there and runs around in circles for most of the game? I don't think he'll look good enough to warrant exactly what Gilbert said. The other 3 guys? Yeah. They have the type of talent that can impact games by themselves.

So basically the best place for him in the top 4 would be the Raptors and maybe Houston

[louisorr]

I think I'd want Suggs most of all if the Knicks could somehow pull off a trade. I know it's probably wrong because three guys are almost unanimously ahead of him, but I just love his game.

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Gilbert is really a student of the game. He’s one of those guys who can actually break the game down in a way for even casual fans to get what he’s saying

I wonder if Gil thinks Suggs will be the type of player who brings a loaded gun into the locker room and pulls it on his teammate as a joke? just curious. Suggs is a team player and a winner and he has very good athleticism and bball skill. if you want a athletic superstar like scottie barnes or Keon Johnson, be my guest, but I would take Suggs and not lose any sleep.

[WargamesX]

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Gilbert is really a student of the game. He’s one of those guys who can actually break the game down in a way for even casual fans to get what he’s saying

I wonder if Gil thinks Suggs will be the type of player who brings a loaded gun into the locker room and pulls it on his teammate as a joke? just curious. Suggs is a team player and a winner and he has very good athleticism and bball skill. if you want a athletic superstar like scottie barnes or Keon Johnson, be my guest, but I would take Suggs and not lose any sleep.

Bringing up Gilbert’s low point doesn’t take away from his opinion on Suggs. I for one hope he is right because the Knicks have to go out there and beat these ****

[DOT]

Maybe I'm just blind, but I don't see great athleticism from Bouknight, and I've seen pretty much every game of his the last 2 years

He's a good athlete, but he doesn't have the functional athleticism of a LaVine

I'd take him in the 11-15 range, I think top 10 is very aggressive on him reaching his potential.

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[damedash09]

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this is a interesting big board.

[louisorr]

Gilbert is really a student of the game. He’s one of those guys who can actually break the game down in a way for even casual fans to get what he’s saying

I wonder if Gil thinks Suggs will be the type of player who brings a loaded gun into the locker room and pulls it on his teammate as a joke? just curious. Suggs is a team player and a winner and he has very good athleticism and bball skill. if you want a athletic superstar like scottie barnes or Keon Johnson, be my guest, but I would take Suggs and not lose any sleep.

Bringing up Gilbert’s low point doesn’t take away from his opinion on Suggs. I for one hope he is right because the Knicks have to go out there and beat these ****

I know , I know, I couldn't help myself. But he's making it sound like Gonzaga was a paper tiger and Baylor would have bulldozed them every and any time they played? first of all Baylor was a phenomenally all time great team, but if the two teams played a seven game series I think it would be close and Gonzaga would hold their own. The ucla game was emotionally draining and its hard to come back in less than 48 hours. Does Gilbert know what it's like to play for mark few? or does he only know what it's like to not be a ball dominant chucker? does a guy like Jalen green or Kuminga deserve props for skipping college to hone their craft in a g league with no stakes when it comes to winning? I'd rather have a guy who puts himself in a top program and takes on the pressure of winning one of the most coveted championships in sports...I feel I could keep going on, just don't like his argument. he may ultimately be right about Suggs, but suggesting that if you don't completely take over and will your team to a championship as a freshman on an upperclass heavy team..I think the argument is weak.

[Knicksfan1992]

Maybe I'm just blind, but I don't see great athleticism from Bouknight, and I've seen pretty much every game of his the last 2 years

He's a good athlete, but he doesn't have the functional athleticism of a LaVine

I'd take him in the 11-15 range, I think top 10 is very aggressive on him reaching his potential.

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Eh I think this is pretty off tbh. His hesitation move is really good because his first step from deceleration is super quick and long. He might not have eye popping athleticism but his footwork and application of athleticism is really good to me. He also is able to elevate in traffic pretty well. Again, not Lavine level, but holding him to that kind of standard seems unfair. Lavine's jumping level is near olympic level tbh. I don't think Bouknight needs to be that level of athlete to be successful at the next level.

[nykballa2k4]

Maybe I'm just blind, but I don't see great athleticism from Bouknight, and I've seen pretty much every game of his the last 2 years

He's a good athlete, but he doesn't have the functional athleticism of a LaVine

I'd take him in the 11-15 range, I think top 10 is very aggressive on him reaching his potential.

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Rip Hamilton level athleticism?

[TerrenceClarke]

I think JB is plenty functional athlete he just not the Athlete that Lavine is. Very few people are, but that does not mean they not functional. Im not trading up for him tho, You can get the same thing from Cam Thomas scoring package wise and much more, and not even have to trade up.